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Is the problem branding? A party left of labour will never work if they admit they're on the left. Call it the UK First Sovereignty Blue Passport no Foreigners Party, claim that they're going to literally catapult all the immigrants into the sea and then once they get elected go back on it and enact a bunch of cool socialist policies instead, then blame the tories for making them do it. That seems to work for the other parties.
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It's pretty awesome to find out through this dossier that all of our worst suspicions turned out to be 100% true about Liberals and Centrists and the degree to which they're willing to self-destroy and self-sabotage to spite the left. Like, how the gently caress is the left going win anything through electoral means when they're dealing with people who are willing to LOSE AND COMMIT ELECTORAL SUICIDE rather than concede any kind of social democratic reforms?! Like they say the right wing are death cultists but at least they want to win on the road to apocalypse! Liberals WANT TO LOSE AND MAKE OTHERS LOSE JUST TO PREVENT A BETTER SOCIETY. hoooly poo poo!!!
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Apr 13, 2020 14:47
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It's a shame that the Labour left didn't take the opportunity in the last 5 years to purge all of the liberal melts. Oh well you'll know for the next time I suppose.
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Al-Saqr posted:It's pretty awesome to find out through this dossier that all of our worst suspicions turned out to be 100% true about Liberals and Centrists and the degree to which they're willing to self-destroy and self-sabotage to spite the left. they want to retain their jobs and elevated positions in society, in the society as it currently is, that's why and it happens to most people as they gain power and status
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I've not really been keeping up on this but I've seen three main themes: That's amazing if true, because 1L of air contains about 300mg of oxygen, and the mass-energy equivalent of that is ~2.7×1013J, or almost 7,500MWh. The UK uses 300TWh in total per year, so even if these 5G masts were only 20% efficient, they'd only have to go through 200m3 of air to run the whole country for a year, that's about 1.5 double decker buses worth, and that amount of air could be re-oxygenated with a single moderately sized tree. 5G is pretty cool! 
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Apr 13, 2020 15:06
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Apr 13, 2020 15:14
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The one at the back's definitely trying.
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Apr 13, 2020 15:15
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Eamonn Holmes is a 5G truther.
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Apr 13, 2020 15:26
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The only thing these people are good at is distorting narratives. Essentially you could film them loving a pig and so long as every one of their mates agrees the story going forward will be about how you broke that person's privacy and distributed bestiality porn.
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Apr 13, 2020 15:27
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the report is terrible news but the absolute worst part of it is it's caused the return of weettakes 
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Apr 13, 2020 15:32
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Look up who Ashworth is married to, if you want a laugh.
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Apr 13, 2020 15:41
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It's not quite true to say that nobody reacted to Eamonn Holmes' stupid loving 5G comment - the woman he was interviewing enthusiastically agreed with him that we shouldn't be taking the media at face value on the matter, but then went on to denounce the antenna vandals. So the overall message of the bit seemed to be that 5G actually might be related to CV, but that we shouldn't be smashing up 5G masts anyway. loving surreal
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Can someone summarise what has happened and Starmer’s role plz
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Calico Heart posted:Can someone summarise what has happened and Starmer’s role plz The wreckers were significantly more depraved than many of us suspected. Keir's role is to be a startled looking pork roast in a suit who won't do very much at all about them or anything else. crispix fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Apr 13, 2020 |
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Calico Heart posted:Can someone summarise what has happened and Starmer’s role plz Starmer goes completely unmentioned, but some of the main supporters of his leadership campaign are in there saying and doing some heinous stuff. JordanKai fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Apr 13, 2020 |
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Apr 13, 2020 16:00
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JordanKai posted:The report on antisemitism within the Labour Party was finalised, but party lawyers decided not to send to the EHRC. The report was leaked to various journalists soon afterwards and has now also been leaked to the public. It reveals that numerous of the more conservative higher ups of the party, including Emilie Oldknow and Iain McNicol, actively conspired to sink the party's chances in the general election, purge leftist members (who they consistently call "trots") from the party, bully minority MPs, and gridlock antisemitism investigations from being completed. Meanwhile, it reveals that Jeremy Corbyn pushed to get antisemitism investigations done and that he was doing his best to combat AS within the party. Your starting bit isn't quite right. A document designed to cover the surrounding nature of the Labour parties internal actions on anti-Semitism was made, alongside the parties other submissions to the EHRC, and is now not being submitted (the claim is it was an internal document to help establish the situation between 2014 and 2019 and was intended as at most an addendum to the existing submissions) The rest seems roughly right from a quick scan.
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mehall posted:Your starting bit isn't quite right. You're absolutely right, my bad! I fixed it.
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JordanKai posted:The report on antisemitism within the Labour Party was finalised, but party lawyers decided not to send to the EHRC. This take is getting a lot of traction but is completely untrue; the report is *part of* the submissions from Labour to the EHRC, and covers only a small (but admittedly very important) part of the story, the actions of the GLU - part of the disciplinary process of the party - between 2014 and 2019, to put context around the raw data about complaints that was submitted. It's quite damaging to claim that it's the entirety (or even the majority) of the submissions of the EHRC because it only highlights a small number of cases and spends a lot of time talking about internecine conflict - if this was the actual full response then it would actually be pretty damning because it would suggest that this infighting was the whole of the story of antisemitism in the Labour Party, which is playing directly into the hands of the people attempting to weaponise the actual problem of antisemitism on the left.
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Apr 13, 2020 16:10
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Silver lining on this is that whenever a bootlicker decries someone being called out on social media you can point them to this report to show how rubbish that will be if the complaints process sucks (which it usually does). Bonus points if they then argue that all of the examples in this report are invalid because it wasn't submitted to the proper authorities.
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One can just read the conclusion - it is snappily writtenquote:We have shown here that, when antisemitism first began to emerge as a problem that needed to be addressed urgently in the Labour Party, our structures were not equipped to deal with it. The system for handling complaints and investigating them, and for taking disciplinary action against offenders, were dysfunctional. This was far too slow to change. The processes were ill-equipped for dealing with even a small number of complaints, relating not just to antisemitism but to all types of misconduct or prejudice, let alone the increase in complaints that resulted from party membership rising to unprecedented levels.
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If anyone wants a quick 'response to 5G claims' for someone posting trash on facebook or whatsapp I've pulled together a few sources from across the spectrum (BBC, guardian, tech press and FT) in the hopes that whomever is reading it will not discard at least one of them. Feel free to use it when you see people sparking off about it.quote:Just to put peoples' minds at ease, the idea of 5G being linked to _ANY_ health problems, including Covid, is absolutely 100% a hoax. 100% - not "well everything is possible", not "don't really know the facts" - 100% hoax.
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Red Oktober posted:If anyone wants a quick 'response to 5G claims' for someone posting trash on facebook or whatsapp I've pulled together a few sources from across the spectrum (BBC, guardian, tech press and FT) in the hopes that whomever is reading it will not discard at least one of them. Feel free to use it when you see people sparking off about it. Don't engage in serious arguments with anyone dumb or disingenuous enough to spout that 5G poo poo.
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I can't remember who posted the playlist of lefty documentaries on youtube but thank you! Now I can get messily drunk, cry and watch a recreation of Orgreave. (I've just copied it again in case anyone is interested) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ncrWxnxLjg
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TACD posted:I want to help improve things, but just saying 'get involved' and 'organise' is not a useful instruction to somebody like me who has literally never in his life seen anything materially improve as the result of politics or organised action in general and therefore has no idea of what successful organisation looks like, and who doubts that such a thing is even possible any more. 'Organizing' is above all building a group of people with group consciousness, that is, a group of people who see each other as allies, who will act in concert even when the group has made tactical decisions they don't especially agree with, and when there are things they'd rather do, and when there are risks involved. It is the only way the impoverished can get power, the only defence against divide and rule tactics. I think people have lost some capacity to do this because of mass entertainment and travel. The olds who grew up without much are so much more willing to turn out. And when everyone knows they have or could easily find other communities to socialize with, getting people to form alliances and stick with them through disappointments and disagreements is so much harder. As this thread currently shows, I think. I do not know any organizations that currently have more good comrades in it than Momentum and the Labour Party, which is why I shall stay in them until that stops being true. We only just got control of the NEC in 2018 and then an election was always imminent, so people were reluctant to rock the boat. If we can take two things from the current debacle I think they should be that we always need to agree a left slate and vote for its candidates whatever our personal preferences, and we should value seizing positions of long-term power over short-term tactics. But for the second thing to work, people need to reconcile themselves to sticking with the project through defeats, and we don't seem to be doing that well.
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I'm not normally one to nitpick people's writing, especially in a casual setting like this, cos when people do that it's usually as a lazy gotcha. But it seems no fucker, including Tweetman, can spell the name of the Labour leader. So I will point it out this once, not having a go at anyone specifically, because I keep seeing it and it's a slightly unusual name: it's Keir Starmer, e before i, not Kier.
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maybe these people have subliminally conditioned everyone https://www.kier.co.uk/ I only realised a couple of days ago that starmers name was spelt differently
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Catboy Autonomist posted:Is anyone in the thread advocating for any kind of extraparliamentary organization be it through community organizing or tenant's unions or mutual aid networks or nah Goon project, buy up the Morning Star, change its masthead to Goatse, fire all the TERFs into the sea.
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XMNN posted:maybe these people have subliminally conditioned everyone Yeah I think Kier is a variant that is also used. People misspell my name a lot too so maybe I feel especially that a persons' name is one thing that you should try and spell and pronounce correctly. Unless you're specifically making fun of them like with the current and previous health ministers. e: Or France's Tweet Man big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Apr 13, 2020 |
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big scary monsters posted:I'm not normally one to nitpick people's writing, especially in a casual setting like this, cos when people do that it's usually as a lazy gotcha. But it seems no fucker, including Tweetman, can spell the name of the Labour leader. So I will point it out this once, not having a go at anyone specifically, because I keep seeing it and it's a slightly unusual name: it's Keir Starmer, e before i, not Kier. I fixed my post. I forget it's a Celtic name and I default to German pronunciation of ei and ie
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It's kind of incredible that the usual suspects on twitter just aren't reporting on this story at all. Laura K hasn't been on twitter in days and the likes of Peston are just ignoring it outright.
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Kernel Monsoon posted:It's kind of incredible that the usual suspects on twitter just aren't reporting on this story at all. Laura K hasn't been on twitter in days and the likes of Peston are just ignoring it outright. It's extremely credible
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crispix posted:I fixed my post. I forget it's a Celtic name and I default to German pronunciation of ei and ie Alt-right alt-history fanfic favourite, Kier Stürmer.
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gently caress sake https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1249725093967794179
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i know people don't wanna hear this but there is a reason why the guys who robbed banks and blew up okhrana horses came out on top 100 years ago, and the guys who meekly asked the labour right to form a unity shadow cabinet are now exiled forever.
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moostaffa posted:It's extremely credible  It's true. All of it.
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XMNN posted:maybe these people have subliminally conditioned everyone At least these guys spell themselves right  Also one that annoyed me when he was a thing, it's Brian Leveson. Not Levison, Levenson, Levinson, or any of the other variants I've seen. E: that reminds me, while mentally telling myself off for thinking "hehe, Keith Storm, superhero!", I got on to thinking about how it's important we use the names people want us to use / are actually their names, generally speaking. Which got me to thinking about language - in French and Spanish, you say "I call myself X" (me llamo / je m'appelle), which reinforces the choice aspect. In English it's "I'm called", which is one step away from "I get called", which has bad connotations. Just thought that was interesting. Bobstar fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Apr 13, 2020 |
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big scary monsters posted:Yeah I think Kier is a variant that is also used. People misspell my name a lot too so maybe I feel especially that a persons' name is one thing that you should try and spell and pronounce correctly. Unless you're specifically making fun of them like with the current and previous health ministers. Being mildly dyslexic it definitely makes me have to think longer than I should.
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Al-Saqr posted:It's pretty awesome to find out through this dossier that all of our worst suspicions turned out to be 100% true about Liberals and Centrists and the degree to which they're willing to self-destroy and self-sabotage to spite the left. It's a lot easier to understand if you don't think of it as self-sabotage. They're serving corporate interests, just like the Tories (mostly) do.
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