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So I read the story of Titus o Neil getting suspended for touching Vince’s arm and I got to thinking about who got pushed and how kofi was treated - is there enough evidence out there to say that Vince is a closeted racist?
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Manwithastick posted:So I read the story of Titus o Neil getting suspended for touching Vince’s arm and I got to thinking about who got pushed and how kofi was treated - is there enough evidence out there to say that Vince is a closeted racist? He was astonished to find out that some people find Asian women attractive, JR had to tell him about the popularity of Asian porn before he believed him This is not me loving with you. This actually got reported in the context of discussing Gail Kim in WWE. Vince once joked on an AOL chat (which dates the quote, really) that to ramp up the LHW division bhe should bring in some Ethiopian talent. Hàaaaaaaaaa isn't it hilarskis that an entire country can't find a way out of extreme poverty so they can eat? Vince is one of those people where if all his peccadilloes, flaws, and foibles were made public, mocking him by assigning him weird qualities wouldn't work as a joke since it might be too accurate to be funny. Kinda like how some people gave up mocking Trump because nothing they could invent is more absurd than the dumb poo poo coming out of his mouth.
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Apr 12, 2020 15:10
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Manwithastick posted:So I read the story of Titus o Neil getting suspended for touching Vince’s arm and I got to thinking about who got pushed and how kofi was treated - is there enough evidence out there to say that Vince is a closeted racist? but he loves MLK so much going by the video packages that air every year! Anyone got that gif of Big E getting curb stomped on MLK Jr. Day?
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Apr 12, 2020 15:12
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Manwithastick posted:So I read the story of Titus o Neil getting suspended for touching Vince’s arm and I got to thinking about who got pushed and how kofi was treated - is there enough evidence out there to say that Vince is a closeted racist? Saba Simba, Akeem the African Dream, Cryme Tyme, the original New Day, the Gang Wars in 1997, Booker T/HHH at Wrestlemania XIX, DX doing blackface, calling Booker the N-word in front of his wife Sharmell on live television, etc, etc, etc, etc EDIT: The Mexicools, Shelton's mama, Roddy Piper/Bad News Brown, Kama Mustafa melting the urn down into a big gold chain, etc, etc, etc, etc EDIT 2.0: Kurt Angle being revealed as Jason Jordan's father, having the Undertaker around, having Triple H around, having Michael Hayes around, the ACH shirt, etc, etc, etc, etc EDIT 3.0: Muhammad Hassan, Slick, Mr. Fuji, Yokozuna, Regis Philbin at Wrestlemania VII, Todd Pettengill at Wrestlemania IX, etc, etc, etc, etc Pope Corky the IX fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Apr 12, 2020 |
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Apr 12, 2020 15:32
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Saba Simba, Akeem the African Dream, Cryme Tyme, the original New Day, the Gang Wars in 1997, Booker T/HHH at Wrestlemania XIX, DX doing blackface, calling Booker the N-word in front of his wife Sharmell on live television, etc, etc, etc, etc Actually I think you find that according to fair and unbiased Bruce Prichard none of those were remotely racist and you’re just finding something to complain about. It’s entertainment!
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Apr 12, 2020 15:35
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the only thing closeted about vince mcmahon's racism is how WWE diehards run into the closet and shut the door when anybody tries to tell them how insanely racist WWE is
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Apr 12, 2020 17:00
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Why did Hogan never let Macho go over on him, every 1on1 with them ends up with Hulk winning/retaining because all of Macho's wins are Count-Out's (lol) or DQ's https://www.cagematch.net/?id=91&nr=97&page=2&constellation=Singles Why would he follow Hogan to WCW knowing it would be the same fate? Especially with how serious Macho Man took matches/coordinating them, was it all about the  ?
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Apr 12, 2020 18:41
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Manwithastick posted:So I read the story of Titus o Neil getting suspended for touching Vince’s arm and I got to thinking about who got pushed and how kofi was treated - is there enough evidence out there to say that Vince is a closeted racist? He allegedly thought Carlito wasn't acting stereotypical enough and told him to "spic it up"
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Apr 12, 2020 18:52
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Hirez posted:Why did Hogan never let Macho go over on him, every 1on1 with them ends up with Hulk winning/retaining because all of Macho's wins are Count-Out's (lol) or DQ's WWF was barely using him toward the end. Sure, in WCW he'd never go over Hogan cleanly, but he was still a main-eventer and making the instead of being a commentator who occasionally got to wrestle Doink. He was a 4-time WCW champ, so it's not like he was buried there.
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Apr 12, 2020 18:57
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To answer in order 1)Ego and pettiness 2) Money and the belief he could still contribute as a wrestler
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Apr 12, 2020 19:04
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Was Liger a draw in Arena Mexico?
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Manwithastick posted:So I read the story of Titus o Neil getting suspended for touching Vince’s arm and I got to thinking about who got pushed and how kofi was treated - is there enough evidence out there to say that Vince is a closeted racist? He is openly racist.
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Apr 12, 2020 23:33
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Hirez posted:Why would he follow Hogan to WCW knowing it would be the same fate? Especially with how serious Macho Man took matches/coordinating them, was it all about the Vince thought he was too old to wrestle anymore and tried to push him to commentary, which he hated. Can’t blame him for jumping ship there. I’m not sure how true it is, but there was word at one point that Savage wanted to do a long term feud with Shawn Michaels that would have put Michaels over in the end and man. That could have been amazing to see, so of course Vince shot it down.
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Apr 12, 2020 23:42
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Nostradingus posted:He allegedly thought Carlito wasn't acting stereotypical enough and told him to "spic it up" I thought that was Razor Ramon. And forgive my ignorance, but I never thought Carlito was that racist. He was just a Hawaiian shirt wearing, apple eating/spitting afro haired guy who disliked uncool people. I liked him. Both on screen, because he could have awesome matches when he tried to, and I loved his lazy, laid back attitude backstage, just taking the cash and relaxing with his friends.
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Apr 13, 2020 04:11
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That really doesn't have anything to do with the story of Vince wanting Carlito to be a racist caricature and using a racial slur on a Puerto Rican man to describe what he wants beyond his failure to do so.
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Apr 13, 2020 04:33
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El Gallinero Gros posted:He was astonished to find out that some people find Asian women attractive, JR had to tell him about the popularity of Asian porn before he believed him Pope Corky the IX posted:Kurt Angle being revealed as Jason Jordan's father (The same "running joke" was why they booked the Sharmell angle. Where Angle—if this was scripted for him, I dunno—made comments about wanting to have "bestiality-like sex" with her.) bartok posted:but he loves MLK so much going by the video packages that air every year! Anyone got that gif of Big E getting curb stomped on MLK Jr. Day?
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Apr 13, 2020 07:24
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In practical terms, what's the bare minimum number of people that would be needed to be on site for a 5 match card wrestling show produced to a TV-broadcast quality?
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Apr 13, 2020 09:03
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Lamuella posted:In practical terms, what's the bare minimum number of people that would be needed to be on site for a 5 match card wrestling show produced to a TV-broadcast quality?
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Apr 13, 2020 09:14
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Lamuella posted:In practical terms, what's the bare minimum number of people that would be needed to be on site for a 5 match card wrestling show produced to a TV-broadcast quality? How low are you going for the definition of "tv broadcast quality"
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Apr 13, 2020 09:25
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I Before E posted:How low are you going for the definition of "tv broadcast quality" the people do not ask for much, sire; they will be satisfied with 1996 UPN levels of quality
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Apr 13, 2020 09:30
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davidbix posted:In the building or in close proximity? Physically present on the site, not able to do their jobs at a distance (for example, you could commentate at a distance but you couldn't referee or have live cameras at a distance). I don't have enough of a TV production background to know how remote editing and mixing could be. I Before E posted:How low are you going for the definition of "tv broadcast quality" It's a vague category, I'll admit, but I'm thinking multi camera setup (minimum of hard cam and one mobile cam), set / studio lighting, etc. I'll also specify I'm not thinking this needs to be live, just generate content that can be edited into a show later.
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Apr 13, 2020 09:37
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Racists loving MLK is like a huge thing way beyond Vince. Its like the "I voted for Obama, racism is over" stuff. Every old white conservative somehow retroactively loved MLK and thinks he cured racism so now you should never complain about it again and also know that MLK wouldn't like you wanting further social change. Even the old white conservatives who were public enough figures that there's record of them hating MLK and speaking out against him retroactively love him. Because he's long dead and he can't take offense to them using his memory as a bludgeon for their causes and defenses.Lamuella posted:Physically present on the site, not able to do their jobs at a distance (for example, you could commentate at a distance but you couldn't referee or have live cameras at a distance). I don't have enough of a TV production background to know how remote editing and mixing could be. I think even if you're running with a skeleton crew of staff you probably need a couple of dozen people to handle a production and deal with any issues. But that also doesn't include all the people involved before and after the broadcast like makeup and ring crew and locker room attendees and catering and whoever is supposedly testing the wrestlers etc. Even if you're doing writing and creative meetings and editing remotely or trying to keep people distanced by doing things in shifts there's still a lot of stuff that demand interaction which in turn undermines keeping those shifts separate. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Apr 13, 2020 |
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Apr 13, 2020 09:37
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STAC Goat posted:Racists loving MLK is like a huge thing way beyond Vince. Its like the "I voted for Obama, racism is over" stuff. Every old white conservative somehow retroactively loved MLK and thinks he cured racism so now you should never complain about it again and also know that MLK wouldn't like you wanting further social change. Even the old white conservatives who were public enough figures that there's record of them hating MLK and speaking out against him retroactively love him. Because he's long dead and he can't take offense to them using his memory as a bludgeon for their causes and defenses. Should also be said that what they love isn't MLK the firebrand social activist and organiser. They love fictional character MLK The Patron Saint Of Peace And Niceness
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Apr 13, 2020 09:40
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Yeah, they like the bastardized idea that because MLK believed in non-violent action that he was against disruption and change or calling out racism in ways tat make people uncomfortable. Which is of course nonsense.
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Apr 13, 2020 09:46
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Pope Corky the IX posted:EDIT 3.0: Muhammad Hassan, Slick, Mr. Fuji, Yokozuna, Regis Philbin at Wrestlemania VII, Todd Pettengill at Wrestlemania IX, etc, etc, etc, etc What did Todd do at WM IX? Trying to remember what he could have done/said there and I'm blanking which is usually what happens when I try to think of anything he ever did. I assume Regis was some sort of pro-America/anti-Iraq kind of thing?
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Apr 13, 2020 15:38
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Ganso Bomb posted:What did Todd do at WM IX? Trying to remember what he could have done/said there and I'm blanking which is usually what happens when I try to think of anything he ever did. They both did the “Shout the names of Japanese automakers at Japanese people” schtick. Regis did it to Tenryu and Kitao, while Todd did it to the photographers in Caesar’s Parking Lot.
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Apr 13, 2020 15:52
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, they like the bastardized idea that because MLK believed in non-violent action that he was against disruption and change or calling out racism in ways tat make people uncomfortable. Which is of course nonsense. Basically, the same people that blow a fuse over Kapernick kneeling.
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Apr 14, 2020 00:13
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Pope Corky the IX posted:They both did the “Shout the names of Japanese automakers at Japanese people” schtick. Regis did it to Tenryu and Kitao, while Todd did it to the photographers in Caesar’s Parking Lot. At least the Regis thing was double-sided, since Tenryu and Kitao were pretty flippant with their responses. "Oh this guy knows Toyota, impressive..." The bit with the photographers was just flat-out racist, though.
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Apr 14, 2020 00:14
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Yeah, the WrestleMania 9 segment was racist even before Todd Pettingill started shouting the name of Japanese automakers.
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Apr 14, 2020 00:41
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Gaz-L posted:Basically, the same people that blow a fuse over Kapernick kneeling.
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Apr 14, 2020 00:49
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karmicknight posted:Yeah, the WrestleMania 9 segment was racist even before Todd Pettingill started shouting the name of Japanese automakers. AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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Apr 14, 2020 01:01
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I had someone (I think it may have been here) explain people like McMahon like MLK because they can twist his quote about "judged on the content of their character" to oppose affirmative action. It made sense, On the subject of McMahon being racist, he used the n word on tv.
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Apr 14, 2020 05:08
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If you go to the credits of a typical life production, here’s the only people I imagine you could have remote: -put the camera truck outside, but you still need the director who’s looking at the cameras. (In a very small production you can have the same person switch but it’s hard to switch and look at all the cameras simultaneously.) You can have the lighting and gaffing and set dressing people come in separately, but they’re going to be touching the same things. Same thing if you have a prop person responsible for tables and chairs, and someone to make the signs. Maybe Sammy and Darby can do it. You’ll probably need some PAs just to move things back and forth, do lock up, cue talent. Segment producers and interviewers to do the interview packages. If you have every person interviewed sequentially in a different area, you’ll be spending hours to put together a package compared to multiple people shooting at the same general script. You could do a remote editor but it’s going to take time moving files back-and-forth, easier if you’re using actual hard drives. So there’s not a tremendous amount to cut.
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Apr 14, 2020 08:43
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Does anybody know any good documentaries about masked wrestling, luchas de apuestas matches, or lucha libre/Mexican wrestling in general? I know almost nothing about these subjects, but my bored lockdown brain has decided to be fascinated by them
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Apr 14, 2020 09:58
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Golden Bee posted:-put the camera truck outside, but you still need the director who’s looking at the cameras. (In a very small production you can have the same person switch but it’s hard to switch and look at all the cameras simultaneously.) Given the number of cameras they have available I'd say it would basically be impossible for a director to both direct AND switch, especially if you drop out a Director's Assistant to keep the numbers down. The solution there would probably be to use less cameras, but they sure do love their pointless camera cuts to near identical frames or cuts that jump the line so that might be beyond the pale for them.
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Apr 14, 2020 10:06
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Okay I've a question. Does Vinc know he's racist? Does he think that all the dumb poo poo he's done is fine and "just a joke"?
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Apr 14, 2020 12:44
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A lot of racists don't think they're racists. With WWE being officially announced as essential so they can continue doing live shows, is this now the worst decision a wrestling company has ever made and pushed for?
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Apr 14, 2020 12:49
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Most racists don't think they're racist at all, which is why you get that incredulous "Oh my god, you have to be kidding me!" reaction when you call them out on it.
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Apr 14, 2020 12:52
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“Racist” is ironically enough the nearest equivalent to the n-word for white people
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(purely in terms of how offensive it is to them, not in any way in terms of how justified said offence is)
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