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Katt posted:Obama endorsed Biden after Sanders did. Jesus. Warren still hasn't actually endorsed yet, has she?
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Cabbit posted:Warren still hasn't actually endorsed yet, has she? The Biden team is holding back the announcement so they can deflect from the next bad news thing to pop up about Biden.
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Apr 14, 2020 22:18
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Katt posted:Obama endorsed Biden after Sanders did. Jesus. I assume that's part of his "don't publicly weigh in until things are decided" scheme.
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Apr 14, 2020 22:18
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Katt posted:Obama endorsed Biden after Sanders did. Jesus. Maybe Sanders was secretly was just really excited to do it? He did have a big smile at the beginning!
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Apr 14, 2020 22:20
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Ciprian Maricon posted:The Biden team is holding back the announcement so they can deflect from the next bad news thing to pop up about Biden. "Hey Liz, in the interests of optimizing the news cycle, would you mind saving your endorsement until the next time Joe rapes someone? Thanks."
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Apr 14, 2020 22:20
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PerniciousKnid posted:"Hey Liz, in the interests of optimizing the news cycle, would you mind saving your endorsement until the next time Joe rapes someone? Thanks." Please, for the love of God, let Warren publicly refuse to back Joe Biden. Let her pull that grenade pin and end both of their political careers.
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Apr 14, 2020 22:21
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Pick posted:Maybe Sanders was secretly was just really excited to do it? He did have a big smile at the beginning! He was actually *pulls off mask* Joe's secret twin brother this whole time, Curly Joe Biden!"
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Apr 14, 2020 22:22
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Please, for the love of God, let Warren publicly refuse to back Joe Biden. Let her pull that grenade pin and end both of their political careers.
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Apr 14, 2020 22:25
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Bernie endorsed quickly because he needed to get out in front of the narrative that he is dividing the party because like 80% of his supporters are vocally not supporting Biden
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Apr 14, 2020 22:25
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PerniciousKnid posted:He was actually *pulls off mask* Joe's secret twin brother this whole time, Curly Joe Biden!" With his hair he's obviously Larry Biden.
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Apr 14, 2020 22:26
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Maybe Biden won him over with a big, deep smooch... flirty tickling...
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Apr 14, 2020 22:31
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They're just going to completely ignore the fact more Sanders supporters won't vote for Joe Biden in November than didn't vote for Clinton in 2016 and still call them a cult. Also, the turnout in Wisconsin was only 51% of 2016 and by November, much of the pandemic fear will be gone. It is going to be a massacre.
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Apr 14, 2020 22:33
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Nancy Reagan eventually became one of the most politically influential people in the world with her blowjobs as a professional launchpad. If this is true for Biden, maybe he can reacharound the isle
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Apr 14, 2020 22:34
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gohmak posted:Why write in Bernie when Howie Hawkins for Green shares his politics and is on the ballot? Because I'm a man of principle, Bernie could've joined and run under the green party but he didn't, doesn't change the fact I'm still going to vote for him, no matter how many people it pisses off, which it undoubtedly will or already has. The DNC/Democrats at large would have assumed I was going to vote green and that it didn't matter, but if you write-in the guy they absolutely hate, then that sends a message. If enough people voted for him outside of the party lines, maybe something will change. Voting green, will change nothing. BANNED USER fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Apr 14, 2020 |
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Apr 14, 2020 22:39
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Cabbit posted:Warren still hasn't actually endorsed yet, has she? Because she has INTEGRITY, that's why!
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Apr 14, 2020 22:47
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gohmak posted:Why write in Bernie when Howie Hawkins for Green shares his politics and is on the ballot? As bad as the DNC is, at least they aren't the loving Greens. The loving Green party puts no effort into any organizing whatsoever except collecting signatures to get on the presidential ballot. They don't campaign for local seats, ballot initiatives, or even loving administrative positions. They basically exist to gently caress over the Democratic candidate every 4 years. gently caress the Green party.
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Apr 14, 2020 22:48
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Cabbit posted:Warren still hasn't actually endorsed yet, has she? I hope she never does. Its turned out to be a good thing that she has kept quiet. Uncle Wemus posted:Because she has INTEGRITY, that's why! This
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BANNED USER posted:Because I'm a man of principle, Bernie could've joined and run under the green party but he didn't, doesn't change the fact I'm still going to vote for him, no matter how many people it pisses off, which it undoubtedly will or already has. If you write in Bernie (or anyone) nobody will even look at it, it literally sends no message beyond what voting Blank would do.
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Apr 14, 2020 22:51
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Pook Good Mook posted:They basically exist to gently caress over the Democratic candidate every 4 years. Good. Edit: Weird how the Greens are only a problem in years where the Democrats run a conservative for president.
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PerniciousKnid posted:Good. Also 3rd party conservatives don’t exist apparently.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Please, for the love of God, let Warren publicly refuse to back Joe Biden. Let her pull that grenade pin and end both of their political careers. No one gives a poo poo about who Warren endorses at this point.
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Apr 14, 2020 22:58
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PerniciousKnid posted:Good. They're a problem every year. They just "matter" when the Democrats nominate a centrist. Which isn't to excuse the Democrats for doing it, but it doesn't change that the "Green Party" exists in name only and if they actually gave a poo poo about the environment they'd be trying to get people elected to things like county supervisor; elections that fly under the radar but actually approve projects affecting the environment. My complaint against them is that they show no interest in actually achieving anything. They're whole raison d'etre is to hijack the national election every 4 years to get 10 minutes of screen time with candidates who are unprepared and spend 8 of those minutes complaining "there are more than 2 parties, when will we get a chance?" Christ the loving Libertarian party actually runs people for local stuff where they can actually make a difference like county attorney. "Democrats bad hurr hurr" is not mutually exclusive with "gently caress the Green party" Pook Good Mook fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Apr 14, 2020 |
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mr whistler posted:No one gives a poo poo about who Warren endorses at this point. Most voters, if asked, probably think she already did.
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Warren is probably still trying to sell her endorsement for VP and lol good luck with that. That or she thinks she can create her own neolib Our Revolution and somehow flank Bernie from the left. It's hard to say, the woman has the worst goddamn political instincts I've ever seen in an elected official and it makes her unpredictable.
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Pook Good Mook posted:"Democrats bad hurr hurr" is not mutually exclusive with "gently caress the Green party" It did occur to me that it might be easier for goons to take over the Green party than the Democratic party.
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the_steve posted:It didn't help that we all severely underestimated how willing the DNC was to murder its own voters in order to secure a win for Joe. Literally. https://twitter.com/kgosztola/status/1250044665870651393 Entire thread is just macabre, the DNC sacrificed a lot of people to prop up a senile rapist. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Apr 14, 2020 |
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Apr 14, 2020 23:09
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If they didn't literally kill a pile of black people how would they stop trump from killing more black people?? Glad you're gonna vote blue
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PerniciousKnid posted:Good. They always run a conservative for president. Sometimes they just lie about it like with obama
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Cerebral Bore posted:He was already bought off by people with far more money than Bernie ya dingus. I don't believe this is true. Politics is a lot about back slapping relationships. Especially for these 80 year old hacks who have been in office forever.
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Apr 14, 2020 23:29
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Salean posted:Glad you're gonna vote blue You must have me confused with a different poster.
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mcmagic posted:I don't believe this is true. Politics is a lot about back slapping relationships. Especially for these 80 year old hacks who have been in office forever. Okay, so what should Bernie have done, specifically? E: gah, phone posting! Majorian fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Apr 14, 2020 |
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ManBoyChef posted:I was listening to The Majority Report today and Nomiki Konst said something that really struck me. She said we need to stop starting with the premise that the establishment democrats are interested in winning. What do you folks think about this? It does shed a little light on the fact they would rather lose with Biden than win with Bernie. They have to realize the general is way different than the primary. It's not even debatable. The Democratic Party only serves the interests of their rich donors. This won't change even when someone even worse than Trump is on the Republican ticket someday.
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BANNED USER posted:Because I'm a man of principle, Bernie could've joined and run under the green party but he didn't, doesn't change the fact I'm still going to vote for him, no matter how many people it pisses off, which it undoubtedly will or already has. If you do that, check the laws to make sure your state actually counts write-ins. Some don't unless they'd have the potential to impact an election.
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Majorian posted:Okay, so what should Bernie have done, specifically? I'm not sure. It's not my responsibility to figure that out. I'm not a campaign manager. I just think he should have tried and it's been reported that he didn't.
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mcmagic posted:I'm not sure. It's not my responsibility to figure that out. I'm not a campaign manager. Well, no, but you DID make the assertion that Bernie should have done something to stop Clyburn from endorsing Biden, and given that this is a debate & discussion forum, you're kind of expected to back up your arguments a bit.
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Apr 14, 2020 23:44
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If you're going to assert that Bernie could get Clyburn's endorsement or cooperation without compromising his platform then yeah you kinda gotta back that up in SOME way.
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Majorian posted:Well, no, but you DID make the assertion that Bernie should have done something to stop Clyburn from endorsing Biden, and given that this is a debate & discussion forum, you're kind of expected to back up your arguments a bit. I bet that Bernie could have gotten him some coke, some strippers, a little bag of cashish he would have been good to go. These democrat types are all the same.
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Sure, you might claim that Clyburn, whose largest donor is the pharmaceuticals industry, might never support someone running on a platform anathema to that industry, but on the other hand, what about if Bernie had walked up to him, given him a firm handshake and asked for his endorsement? That's how I got my first job in 1957, and
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 Hey, the general election thread will be going up soonish, but in the meantime, the rules on talking about the general are in abeyance. Electorialism is also going to be inevitable. However, focus your arguments on candidates, not posters. Do not accuse posters of being Trump lovers in disguise for voting Green or whatever. Do not accuse posters of wanting minorities to be slaughtered because of their choice of candidate. Do not accuse posters of being pro-rape or anti-science or whatever else. Criticize candidates and campaigns. Post "Biden is a senile creep who supports X policies that harm the poor", post "The Greens pander to idiot anti-vaxxers, here's the proof", post "I think that in the long run it is better to vote Dem/not vote Dem and this is why", ect. Put arguments on trial, not posters. This is kind of a trial run for if a thread can handle debating voting and candidate preferences in a constructive way. How people behave will directly affect how strict the general election thread rules will be. Please try to not be jackasses. Thanks all.
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Majorian posted:Well, no, but you DID make the assertion that Bernie should have done something to stop Clyburn from endorsing Biden, and given that this is a debate & discussion forum, you're kind of expected to back up your arguments a bit. I said he should have tried to. I have no idea if it would have been successful but I think it's overwhelmingly clear that they didn't really make any effort to get any mainstream endorsements that would've signaled to voters that Bernie could win and that it was OK to vote for him. The way it ended up, Bernie had less support from Dem electeds in 2020 than he did in 2016. You think that was a good thing?
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