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AntherUslessPoster posted:latest ST installments are gore fest (loving icheb) That was so gross. I did not need to see that poo poo. loving Game of Thrones made television so goddamn ugly.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:That was so gross. I did not need to see that poo poo. loving Game of Thrones made television so goddamn ugly. People who write TV see the success Game of Thrones had and think 'Wow, as long as I put swears, violence, and boobs into my show, it will be a success!'. Even though Season 8 had those things, and a terrible story, and people hated it.
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Michael Chabon claims that it was borne from artistic merit and lack of censorship in the previous Star Treks. Doing a bait-and-switch on the level of violence in a franchise is mean to the audience which was expecting something else, like barging into a room to do performance art unannounced that you know very well many people are going to find disgustingly grotesque. I don't want someone sneaking gore into a live-action Scooby Doo and telling me it's a statement that accomplishes things previous writers couldn't with censorship, and I don't want it in Star Trek, either. They're a bit different in that Star Trek speaks to our hopes for the future and how we hope society will change, the human struggle, and how we should persevere, but I disagree that gore is essential to that message for anything other than shock value. It's an abortion clinic protester level of thinking.
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galenanorth posted:Michael Chabon claims that it was borne from artistic merit and lack of censorship in the previous Star Treks. Doing a bait-and-switch on the level of violence in a franchise is mean to the audience which was expecting something else, like barging into a room to do performance art unannounced that you know very well many people are going to find disgustingly grotesque. I don't want someone sneaking gore into a live-action Scooby Doo and telling me it's a statement that accomplishes things previous writers couldn't with censorship, and I don't want it in Star Trek, either. They're a bit different in that Star Trek speaks to our hopes for the future and how we hope society will change, the human struggle, and how we should persevere, but I disagree that gore is essential to that message for anything other than shock value. It's an abortion clinic protester level of thinking. I thought the gore in Discovery season 1 was cynical and gratuitous. The eye scene in Picard was a misfire, but I get the sense it was more of an iffy buy well-intentioned creative choice because it did actually have a narrative purpose (making us feel sympathy for Seven and "showing not telling" how the xB's are treated like galactic garbage.) It didn't bother me when I saw it, but I can understand how trekkies feel burned by that sort of thing.
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I didn't think it was particularly gory, given some of the body horror that's been in Trek since the beginning.
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Angry Salami posted:I didn't think it was particularly gory, given some of the body horror that's been in Trek since the beginning. Don’t say that around here. If you only knew DISCO or Picard from this thread you’d think they were Tom Six films
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There's nothing wrong with a little gore or body horror now and then, the new stuff would probably feel less gratuitous if these shows were a tenth as deep as they sold themselves as
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Or if it wasn't jarringly used as the prologue to a light hearted caper episode instead of a shock twist after lulling you into a false sense of security. That level of violence doesn't bother me in the slightest, but they were too rigid in their formula of beginning each episode with a flashback to notice that it hosed the tone they were trying to establish for the next 40 minutes.
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Tighclops posted:There's nothing wrong with a little gore or body horror now and then, the new stuff would probably feel less gratuitous if these shows were a tenth as deep as they sold themselves as Would have worked better to put that at the end to reveal why Seven is so much different than when we saw her last
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Peachfart posted:People who write TV see the success Game of Thrones had and think 'Wow, as long as I put swears, violence, and boobs into my show, it will be a success!'. Even though Season 8 had those things, and a terrible story, and people hated it.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I thought the gore in Discovery season 1 was cynical and gratuitous. The eye scene in Picard was a misfire, but I get the sense it was more of an iffy buy well-intentioned creative choice because it did actually have a narrative purpose (making us feel sympathy for Seven and "showing not telling" how the xB's are treated like galactic garbage.) I'm not happy about Icheb getting tortured to death (in part because it's just absurd how nearly every loving character is deeply scarred by tragedy) but I can accept that as a story decision. What I'm more bothered by is I don't think they had to focus in on a bloody eye implant getting pulled out. I mean, I'm fine admitting this: I found it uncomfortable to watch. "Star Trek" aside, that scene was gross and unpleasant to me. Angry Salami posted:I didn't think it was particularly gory, given some of the body horror that's been in Trek since the beginning. I'm not going to say there was never gore in TNG (e.g. the exposed brain tissue in Transformations) but I think there's a visceral difference between what we saw in the past and people being brutally mutilated in close-up.
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Just accept that Star Trek was bad in the past and that's why this Star Trek is good.
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Arglebargle III posted:Just accept that Star Trek was bad in the past and that's why this Star Trek is good. Star Trek was always good some weeks because it was bad other weeks. It was deliberately experimental and that was why they could pull off poo poo like Darmok or The Inner Light.
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This pandemic is going to cause me to finish Voyager then finally watch TOS. I feel like I'm the only Star Trek fan that hasn't sat down and watched TOS.
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According to Eaglemoss Collectibles, one of the Section 31 ships from Disco is the Nimrod-class. Make of that what you will.
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Spacebump posted:This pandemic is going to cause me to finish Voyager then finally watch TOS. TOS owns
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Technowolf posted:According to Eaglemoss Collectibles, one of the Section 31 ships from Disco is the Nimrod-class. Only that the cultural influence of Bugs Bunny has finally waned by the 23rd century.
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MikeJF posted:Star Trek was always good some weeks because it was bad other weeks. It was deliberately experimental and that was why they could pull off poo poo like Darmok or The Inner Light. No! Shut up! Trek must adhere to a rigid formula or it is objectively worse than the holocaust.
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Spacebump posted:This pandemic is going to cause me to finish Voyager then finally watch TOS. I've been a trekkie my whole life and I still haven't made it through all of TOS.
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That's because it is very, very bad.
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There’s an episode of TOS where a killer space probe thinks Kirk is its creator, and the episode ends with Spock starting to go into a monologue about the tragic loss of this sentient being, only for Kirk to start making cracks about how he’ll never be able to see his robot son grow up to be a doctor. It rules
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It's Twilight Zone in space with good characters.
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FlamingLiberal posted:The Icheb thing was a waste since they start the episode with his death Yeah, though Seven herself felt super-pointless and i'm still not sure what her role in the story was other than replacing Hugh so that things can be more over the top.
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I fully expect the Omega particle to make an appearance in Picard season 2. For laughs.
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Gonz posted:I fully expect the Omega particle to make an appearance in Picard season 2. too obscure. maybe klangons or geordi jr instead. if we're lucky we might even see a bajoran!
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Arglebargle III posted:Just accept that Star Trek was bad in the past and that's why this Star Trek is good. Much like Roddenberry's explanation of the TMP Klingons, perhaps Star Trek was always sweary and gory, they just lacked the budget to show the True Star Trek. 
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Paper Lion posted:too obscure. maybe klangons or geordi jr instead. if we're lucky we might even see a bajoran! Picard develops a crippling addiction to Ketracel White.
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Gonz posted:Picard develops a crippling addiction to Ketracel White. Yeah, that tie-dye man holo-ad (seriously, wtf) should have been trying to sling Raffi some special K.
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Panzeh posted:Yeah, though Seven herself felt super-pointless and i'm still not sure what her role in the story was other than replacing Hugh so that things can be more over the top. It felt like her role was designed as a one-off appearance in her first episode, then later they were like... "and Seven comes back!" as they were thinking of ways to escalate the action closer to the finale.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:No! Shut up! Trek must adhere to a rigid formula or it is objectively worse than the holocaust. Nobody really think this and your obsession with bringing it up constantly is sadder then the strawman you keep imagining.
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This is genuinely cool to watch: https://intl.startrek.com/videos/watch-a-star-trek-discovery-timelapse A thirty minute timelapse of the Discovery sets being built.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:It felt like her role was designed as a one-off appearance in her first episode, then later they were like... "and Seven comes back!" as they were thinking of ways to escalate the action closer to the finale. Then for some reason they killed off Hugh and brought her back
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Gonz posted:I fully expect the Omega particle to make an appearance in Picard season 2. If they copy pasted the plot to Star Trek Armada (with some reshuffling), I'd probably love it.
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Senor Tron posted:This is genuinely cool to watch: I love this poo poo. Once the walls start getting colour is when it gets real good.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I thought the gore in Discovery season 1 was cynical and gratuitous. The eye scene in Picard was a misfire, but I get the sense it was more of an iffy buy well-intentioned creative choice because it did actually have a narrative purpose (making us feel sympathy for Seven and "showing not telling" how the xB's are treated like galactic garbage.) I love VOY and love 7o9 but man this scene brought totally loving nothing. It was pointless gore galore. Even more so as the episode opening. Paper Lion posted:too obscure. maybe klangons or geordi jr instead. if we're lucky we might even see a bajoran! Even more pointless character introduction episodes! Erulisse fucked around with this message at 10:53 on Apr 15, 2020 |
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mythicknight posted:If they copy pasted the plot to Star Trek Armada (with some reshuffling), I'd probably love it. With Worf collecting a comically huge Sword of Kahless which is twice as big as the Defiant.
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mythicknight posted:If they copy pasted the plot to Star Trek Armada (with some reshuffling), I'd probably love it. Oh yeah let's throw that video in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrTBGLot3Wo
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MikeJF posted:Oh yeah let's throw that video in Oh wow, it's "what if Star Trek but everything all at once and twice as dramatic".
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