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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Michigan protest Cops killed jesus.
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I was arguing on other social media about whether it's good or bad to stop oil prices from falling and realized I can't say that my real opinion is that oil industry executives should be put up against a wall and machine-gunned so here's to you guys.  Actually I ran out of liquor last week.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:02
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Love to drive around with a sign that appears to say "Drunk. White Power!"
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Apr 15, 2020 19:02
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Lemming posted:Joe Biden doesn't seem to be a particularly corrupt shithead, he's just your average boring corrupt shithead that everyone hates and it's part of the reason for his abysmal enthusiasm gap, and it's bad I can't find it with a couple quick googles, but there was an article not too long ago with a title along the lines of "Biden is the most honest corrupt politican" It argued that Joe Biden is corrupted in that he's heavily influenced by pharma, insurance, financial industry etc lobbies but he's "honest" in that he hasn't really benefitted personally. He famously had a low net worth (lowest in the Senate??) and took the train to DC. He's "owned" by all the big corporate interests that most establishment/moderate Dems tend to be friendly with. However, he's unusual in that he doesn't appear to have personal financial entanglements with them.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:03
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for people outside new york whose only real knowledge of bill de blasio is "well isn't he pretty liberal he can't be that bad" the litany of fuckups on his part can't be summarized in less than half an hour, so I will use just this one example: after finally having his arm twisted into demanding social distancing and announcing that it was being implemented tomorrow, what did that loving moron do? he went to the gym because it was going to be closed tomorrow by his order so obviously he wanted to go that day instead of, say, remember he'd just had to order everything shut down and that he should be doing that himself and leading by example hes not as bad as trump but he's about as incompetent as normal politicians come. he ran for president not because he thought he could win, but because it was an excuse to stay out of new york city for a while.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:04
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Fritz the Horse posted:I can't find it with a couple quick googles, but there was an article not too long ago with a title along the lines of "Biden is the most honest corrupt politican" Except for getting his failson cushy jobs at Ukrainian oil companies, I guess.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:05
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It's adorable seeing people posting about Joe Biden's extremely progressive agenda and how he's going to give us all healthcare, make it easier to declare bankruptcy, forgive student debt, cut emissions, and all the rest of it. Joe Biden is the candidate who's bankrolled and supported by the billionaire donors and party insiders and corporate media who have united behind him precisely to stop all those things from happening. He opposes all those things. The whole point of his candidacy is to prevent them from happening. People talking about his Very Serious Policy Proposals do not understand how political power works in this country, and are extremely gullible.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:06
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Mat Cauthon posted:He wouldn't have made it to those schools without his father's influence and anyone who popped hot on a piss test in the military and wasn't the son of Senator would've gone to jail. It's pretty laughable that you think this is the only reason and not the general way of most rich or well connected shits. Hell, he probably got on some of those boards because he had a potential lead on a nose-candy supplier and you can never have enough of those for the board investigations at resorts.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:07
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Jarmak posted:Umm... okay? You're the one making an absolute statement. You having seen it happen does not prove that it happens every time, me seeing it not happen countless times does prove that it doesn't happen every time. yeah but there's two ways recommendations can work, right one way is that I know a guy, he's a great engineer or accountant or clerk or whatever, and my boss is looking for someone and I say "hey I know a guy who is real good give him a chance". Yeah there's someone out there just as qualified that I don't know, so it's an "unfair" advantage, but also it might cost my boss more time and money to find and evaluate that person, whereas here he's already got an endorsement for someone he trusts to evaluate people another way is that I go golfing with my fellow CEO buddy and I say "hey my fuckup kid is a real embarrassment, I'd take it as a personal favor if you invented a position for him to keep him busy and make sure his lifestyle isn't driving him into collections" most people think the second is corrupt and unfair, and the first is not so much. Now you can defend the second by saying "well it happens all the time anyway" but maybe we should hold our public servants to slightly higher ethical standards than scumbag bankers?
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Apr 15, 2020 19:07
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The Pussy Boss posted:It's adorable seeing people posting about Joe Biden's extremely progressive agenda and how he's going to give us all healthcare, make it easier to declare bankruptcy, forgive student debt, cut emissions, and all the rest of it. Joe Biden is the candidate who's bankrolled and supported by the billionaire donors and party insiders and corporate media who have united behind him precisely to stop all those things from happening. He opposes all those things. The whole point of his candidacy is to prevent them from happening. People talking about his Very Serious Policy Proposals do not understand how political power works in this country, and are extremely gullible. 
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Apr 15, 2020 19:07
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VitalSigns posted:That's not evidence. The fact one party in in a corruption allegation is working in the direct opposite interests of the other party is in fact evidence they are not working together. VitalSigns posted:Hunter Biden was the only person in the world who could bring an outside perspective? Wow those goal posts are on loving rocket skates. You've gone from "Hunter Biden was totally unqualified and could only get this position through corruption" to "he's not literally the only person in the world who'd be appropriate for the position so.... corruption!"
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Apr 15, 2020 19:08
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The Pussy Boss posted:It's adorable seeing people posting about Joe Biden's extremely progressive agenda and how he's going to give us all healthcare, make it easier to declare bankruptcy, forgive student debt, cut emissions, and all the rest of it. Joe Biden is the candidate who's bankrolled and supported by the billionaire donors and party insiders and corporate media who have united behind him precisely to stop all those things from happening. He opposes all those things. The whole point of his candidacy is to prevent them from happening. People talking about his Very Serious Policy Proposals do not understand how political power works in this country, and are extremely gullible. Your brain is broken. Hope this helps.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:09
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Doctor Butts posted:I am convinced the media will make a stink about it because it's only OK if Republicans do it, because no one expects them to have morals. The only response from the Biden campaign should be to just lean into it. "At least he was qualified and he could do some good there. My family knows Amtrak. I took Amtrak every day for 30 years as a Senator. Unlike Trump getting his trust-fund kid Ivanka and his spoiled son-in-law Jared senior positions in the White House. Those two aren't qualified to run a lemondade stand and he made them "Senior Advisors to the President! Its malarky." The biggest lesson people should learn from 2016 is that the modern electorate hates being deceived and treated like fools who can be manipulated more than they hate shady/unethical behavior. Joe-idiot-six-pack in Wisconsin voted for Obama , but then Trump over Clinton because "Clinton is a liar, manipulator, and untrustworthy. At least Trump is honest about his lies." Everyone knows Trump is lying, so they don't feel like he is putting anything over on them. Clinton made them feel stupid, or reminded them of a woman in a position of power who once made them feel stupid. Everyone knows Biden got his son a job. And most people would do the same thing. Even if he actually didn't, no one is ever going to believe that. And now hes "just another lying politician." So gently caress it. Lean in to it. Act like "Diamond Joe" from The Onion. edit- i can't spell today apparently Grayly Squirrel fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Apr 15, 2020 |
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Apr 15, 2020 19:09
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VitalSigns posted:yeah but there's two ways recommendations can work, right We are talking about the first one and you are claiming it's the second with zero supporting evidence
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Apr 15, 2020 19:09
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Michigan protest Pastor'd!
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Apr 15, 2020 19:09
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evilweasel posted:i have an interest in avoiding allowing brazenly false republican smears to become accepted wisdom. most times yeah, a politician's son getting a board seat appointment is sketchy. it's just in this one specific situation we have evidence about as strong as you can get that whatever sketchiness was involved (probably a lot) it was not sketchiness on the part of the politician. as your rick scott thing keeps alluding to: look at who benefits. burisma certainly did not benefit from joe biden's actions with regard to burisma. Joe Biden not doing everything they may have wished he would do is not the same as connections with the vice president not being beneficial in any way. Burisima obviously thought it was beneficial because they were paying $80k/month for it.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:10
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A big flaming stink posted:wait really Plus in the bankruptcy filing turns out WWE owned almost 25% of the league after Vince McMahon said repeatedly that they were totally separate companies and WWE was not involved at all. I'm not a scientist so I don't know if that's illegal, obviously even if it is nothing will happen.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:10
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Majorian posted:But like I said a couple posts ago, only non-Republicans view it as a bad thing. Remember how, like, half of Trump's GE campaign in 2016 was, "I'm corrupt, but in a good way! Hillary? Corrupt in a BAD way, folks!"? This whole mentality of, "Trump can't attack the Dem candidate on that issue; he's guilty of it too!" should have disappeared four years ago; regrettably, it has not. Depends on the issue. I don't think Trump is going to be able to be as effective attacking Biden on the sexual assault allegations because he's got like 20 of them and that's an easy counterpoint, but it would be much, much nicer if we could say "vote for the candidate who doesn't sexually assault people". We are in a post-"emails" world, when the E-mail scandal is still one of the absolute stupidest scandals to ever come up in a presidential election. A not great IT security policy that didn't get compromised became the centerpoint of the campaign. This is why that I agree that Hunter's "corruption" is just boring dumb stuff, and it sucks that rich powerful people get things for free, but I don't really care about it much, personally - I think the people in the thread arguing that it wasn't really corruption are mostly right. But it doesn't have to be right to be a stupid sound bite that Republicans parrot, and they're going to.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:11
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:it's a very good attack in the But Her Emails vein for precisely the reason it generates dumb defenses like this true
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Apr 15, 2020 19:11
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Yeah, there's always got to be one moron with a rebel flag at any event in Michigan. Wish we had a law that included "When spotted the person bearing such flag shall receive a nut punch from everyone in attendance"
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Apr 15, 2020 19:12
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Grayly Squirrel posted:The only response from the Biden campaign should be to just lean into it. "At least was qualified and he could do some good there. My family knows Amtrak. I took Amtrak every day for 30 years as a Senator. Unlike Trump getting his trust-fund kid Ivanka and his spoiled son-in-law Jared senior positions in the White House. Those two aren't qualified to run a lemondade stand and he made them "Senior Advisors to the President! Its malarky." That's 2012 Biden. 2020 Biden isn't on that level.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:12
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Jarmak posted:Wow those goal posts are on loving rocket skates. You've gone from "Hunter Biden was totally unqualified and could only get this position through corruption" to "he's not literally the only person in the world who'd be appropriate for the position so.... corruption!" Those are the same argument Your argument was that his qualification was being unqualified, I pointed out that they could have hired anyone if that's what they wanted so that obviously wasn't the reason.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:13
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LorneReams posted:So that second amendment helped your protest...how? I'm sure he means everyone else get a gun and lay down their lives for freedom. Not him though. He is merely the messenger of freedom, instigator of stupidity, harbinger of death counts, toadie of injustice
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Apr 15, 2020 19:15
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I want to know why this man appears to have a boat motor strapped to the back of his pickup. Out of that entire mess of goofy poo poo, this is the only picture that is confusing me.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:15
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The Pussy Boss posted:It's adorable seeing people posting about Joe Biden's extremely progressive agenda and how he's going to give us all healthcare, make it easier to declare bankruptcy, forgive student debt, cut emissions, and all the rest of it. Joe Biden is the candidate who's bankrolled and supported by the billionaire donors and party insiders and corporate media who have united behind him precisely to stop all those things from happening. He opposes all those things. The whole point of his candidacy is to prevent them from happening. People talking about his Very Serious Policy Proposals do not understand how political power works in this country, and are extremely gullible. The loans he's proposed to forgive are held by the Department of Education.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:15
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Grayly Squirrel posted:Who gives a flying gently caress if Biden got his son a job at Amtrak? This is just becoming a decorum argument. Trump does nepotism like this, but Biden did nepotism like that. Biden just did normal nepotism getting his son several jobs he was unqualified for, but it was done under the radar so it's okay. Trump is just a dumbshit who does it in plain sight because he is an idiot. It's the difference between money laundering from the bank you're president of and running in with a gun to a bank to steal money. It's not much different. 1glitch0 fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Apr 15, 2020 |
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Apr 15, 2020 19:17
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Grayly Squirrel posted:Who gives a flying gently caress if Biden got his son a job at Amtrak? Does the electorate in general care? Hard to say. Joe Biden isn't nearly as reviled as HRC, so this sort of attack on him might not have much effect. However, it will most definitely be a debate in the media, because the Trump campaign will seize on it as a line of attack. Depending on where things stand with pandemic response and the economic recession it might not catch on. It has the most potential to do damage if it forces Biden to be defensive and get out in the media, because then the opportunity is there for him to say something damning. At the end of the day both Trump and Biden are wrong, but like someone else said up thread if Biden leans into "yes I and my family made mistakes but our mistakes aren't killing X Americans every hour" then he can probably weather it.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:17
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Oh, how Murican this dumbshit is, he's got the suburban decor chinese made flagpoles for his.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:18
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Jarmak posted:We are talking about the first one and you are claiming it's the second with zero supporting evidence oh sure but nobody actually believes it isn't the second one because he is obviously not loving qualified (and in fact even you're admitting it, you've already retreated to just saying Biden's last name is a qualification in and of itself) you're motivated to believe that he was just somehow the perfect man for the job and therefore this was the first thing, but again the problem is convincing people who aren't already invested in Democrats winning to vote for Democrats. Fortunately, a huge crisis is distracting everyone, but if it weren't it would be a problem.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:18
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Doctor Butts posted:That's 2012 Biden. 2020 Biden isn't on that level. He doesn't need to be. This is going to be the Weekend at Bernie's election because of COVID-19. No rallies, hardly any need for live events. Do everything you can through staff and surrogates. For the debates and a few live appearances you can pump him full of enough Dextroamphetamine and Modafinil to keep him cogent for 90 mins or so. I'm only partially joking.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:19
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VH4Ever posted:Except for getting his failson cushy jobs at Ukrainian oil companies, I guess. And a Chinese company too as I recall? Honestly that's pretty tame given Biden's history, imo. Consider that Joe Biden was a US Senator for close to 40 loving years representing Delaware, a state notorious as a nexus for shady financial industry poo poo. That he was buddies with the financial industry for that long without appearing to profit personally is unusual. Note that I'm not defending Biden as a candidate. I've been telling my moderate Dem parents since the primary got going that I thought Biden was the weakest candidate in the whole field and most likely to lose to Trump. He's a lovely, boring corporatist Democrat who has serious weaknesses: lack of credibility on policy issues, sexual assault allegations, Hunter / Burisma stuff*, and his declining mental faculties. Like, if we're playing Political Corruption Olympics then Joe Biden's actions are very minor. Hillary Clinton is much worse and most of her perception of corruption was manufactured, that's not even getting into Trump. *I think it's more smoke than actual fire but Trump and rightwing media are going to hammer on it for months. It'll be buttery mails all over again.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:20
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Ah yes, the famous Confederate heritage of Michigan.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:20
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1glitch0 posted:It's the difference between money laundering from the bank you're president of and running in with a gun to a bank to steal money. It's not much different.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:21
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Xombie posted:The loans he's proposed to forgive are held by the Department of Education. Even just the current furlough being given to the recipients of fed student loans is going to make it much more difficult for private lenders to find willing
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Apr 15, 2020 19:21
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https://twitter.com/annaliznichols/status/1250458745873842177
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Apr 15, 2020 19:21
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Thinking Biden will take on the finance industry, the health insurance industry, the fossil fuel industry, etc when he accepts massive donations from them, and advances their agendas, is just madness. It's ignoring his whole career. It's like Trump voters who thought Trump would give them health care, because he said so.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:22
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NecroBob posted:I want to know why this man appears to have a boat motor strapped to the back of his pickup. His pickup is legally a boat, so he can only be subject to maritime law.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:23
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VitalSigns posted:That's not evidence. of course that's evidence. like i'm glad we've reached the "up is down!" level of argument from you, but of course "did the actions of this supposedly bribed politician help the alleged briber? no? they did the exact opposite level of help?" is most definitively evidence. especially since you complain about the difficulty of proving something happened and then "oh that's not good enough evidence when trying to prove a negative" is, uh, rich.
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much like everything in the Trumpverse reality, I believe you will find... the truth is in the piddle
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