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Pollyanna posted:The entire point of If they're planning on just moving on from all the destiny poo poo then why did they add all that nonsense with Zack at the eleventh hour?
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Apr 16, 2020 00:07
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THE HARBINGERS OF DESTINY HAVE BEEN DEFEATED 
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:I don't even just mean that. I just mean stuff like dumping Zack, Not A SOLDIER, Sephiroth's plans, etc. People are stupid and if characters aren't shouting their motivations from the top of their lungs at all times morons get confused.
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Apr 16, 2020 00:08
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I'm concerned that the timeline fuckery puts Rufus' life at risk
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Apr 16, 2020 00:09
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homeless snail posted:There are far too many dangling threads in the ending that they aren't just gonna ignore. The descriptions of the arbiters, the weirdass Zack stuff. If they intended it to be a clean break after this game they wouldn't have that stuff. Yeah. I'm still not convinced it's time travel in the traditional sense. It could just be a straight up altering of the timeline, and voila Zack's alive. But the next game at least has to address that, whatever it is. Someone in one of the threads was suggesting that they might have a dual protagonist set-up in the next game, with Cloud et al doing more or less the original FFVII motions and Zack + ??? doing completely new stuff. I think that would be a good way to handle it. But yeah, whatever they do, I'm in for it at this point.
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Apr 16, 2020 00:09
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Bland posted:If they're planning on just moving on from all the destiny poo poo then why did they add all that nonsense with Zack at the eleventh hour? I'm referring to multiverse/time loop/causality stuff being over and done with. Changes to the game's story aren't really timey wimey, they're just changes. I also don't know what the gently caress was really going on there, so they could always just not follow up on it. I personally don't give that much of a poo poo about Zack anyway 
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Apr 16, 2020 00:11
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CottonWolf posted:Yeah. I'm still not convinced it's time travel in the traditional sense. It could just be a straight up altering of the timeline, and voila Zack's alive. But the next game at least has to address that, whatever it is. The way they address it is "hey Zack's alive, maybe it was the ghosts. Let's go kill Sephiroth now." quote:Someone in one of the threads was suggesting that they might have a dual protagonist set-up in the next game, with Cloud et al doing more or less the original FFVII motions and Zack + ??? doing completely new stuff. I think that would be a good way to handle it. But yeah, whatever they do, I'm in for it at this point. This would be cool and I'd be down for it, if it wasn't for the fact that it'll inevitably be way more work to make an entirely separate mirror party of the originals. Edit: Hm, maybe not. If they're just mirrors...that's just a dupe of existing work. Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Apr 16, 2020 |
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Apr 16, 2020 00:12
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Dandywalken posted:I'm concerned that the timeline fuckery puts Rufus' life at risk All the characters lives are at risk now. You take the good with the bad.
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Apr 16, 2020 00:14
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Pollyanna posted:I personally don't give that much of a poo poo about Zack anyway He must've won a lot of Character Polls in
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Apr 16, 2020 00:15
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Harrow posted:This would own Wasn't there some place the creators were asking for ideas/feedback? Somebody needs to plant this seed in their heads.
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Apr 16, 2020 00:16
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McTimmy posted:People are stupid and if characters aren't shouting their motivations from the top of their lungs at all times morons get confused. Yeah, and it makes for flaky narratives / writing. But this is a video-game, the bar is low.
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Apr 16, 2020 00:17
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CottonWolf posted:Yeah. I'm still not convinced it's time travel in the traditional sense. It could just be a straight up altering of the timeline, and voila Zack's alive. But the next game at least has to address that, whatever it is. I feel like there are definitely at least two discrete timelines at work here, given that we see a totally different Stamp in Zack's timeline, and there's that view of Zack/Cloud in his one timeline sort of walking by Cloud/Aerith in the timeline we've been playing in without actually encountering one another (otherwise there'd be two Clouds, two Buster Swords, etc. in this timeline). But there's also a possibility that the Zack thing is just dropped. Maybe it's just an indication that "by changing fate, they have changed things in one timeline--what can they do in their own?" and not setting up a new actual plot thread. But who knows, I guess.
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Apr 16, 2020 00:17
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Zack Are Sick
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Apr 16, 2020 00:18
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Do we have an official pronunciation for Aerith's last name? Is it gains-bo-ro or more like gin-bruh or something
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Apr 16, 2020 00:18
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It's read like "Gainsboorg" in the katakana. otherwise they'd literally use the Bo and Ro symbols. I dunno what's going on with the English name, lol.
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Apr 16, 2020 00:21
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Harrow posted:I feel like there are definitely at least two discrete timelines at work here, given that we see a totally different Stamp in Zack's timeline, and there's that view of Zack/Cloud in his one timeline sort of walking by Cloud/Aerith in the timeline we've been playing in without actually encountering one another (otherwise there'd be two Clouds, two Buster Swords, etc. in this timeline). Thing is, we don't see stamp in the "original" timeline after the Whispers are defeated. It's possible that Stamp changing is just a representation of the timeline changing rather than an alternate timeline. It's would be a good way to illustrate to people who didn't play original FFVII that something has changed, because presumably they don't know that Zack should have died anyway.
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Apr 16, 2020 00:22
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I hope Sephiroth still kills Aerith so we can get him T-posing in loving realism in the background of a tragic scene.
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Apr 16, 2020 00:25
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CottonWolf posted:Thing is, we don't see stamp in the "original" timeline after the Whispers are defeated. It's possible that Stamp changing is just a representation of the timeline changing rather than an alternate timeline. It's would be a good way to illustrate to people who didn't play original FFVII that something has changed, because presumably they don't know that Zack should have died anyway. Would that mean there are now two Clouds and two Buster Swords in this timeline--the Cloud/sword who left Zack when he died and the Cloud/sword that Zack successfully brought to Midgar? Or were we seeing a vision of a new past where Zack brought Cloud to Midgar and then at some point Cloud got the Buster Sword another way, while Zack is now alive out there and wondering where his sword went? Parallel timelines are a little neater, if nothing else, but again I'd really love to not have to deal with a bunch of alternate universe stuff going forward.
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Apr 16, 2020 00:26
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CottonWolf posted:It's possible that Stamp changing is just a representation of the timeline changing rather than an alternate timeline. I've been thinking this for a while too. And honestly, I feel hard pressed to think of how Zack being "alive" would go anywhere truly different story-wise. They were simply capping the story off with a hint at how Cloud isn't who he thinks he is. Keep in mind that the literal identity of the game we know is in flux too. Harrow posted:Or were we seeing a vision of a new past where Zack brought Cloud to Midgar and then at some point Cloud got the Buster Sword another way, while Zack is now alive out there and wondering where his sword went? I really think it's basically this, but yea "who knows". MoaM fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Apr 16, 2020 |
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Apr 16, 2020 00:28
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I think I'm happier being optimistic about where this going rather than biting my nails wondering if the is going to turn into the new kingdom hearts kudzu plot.
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Apr 16, 2020 00:34
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MoaM posted:I've been thinking this for a while too. And honestly, I feel hard pressed to think of how Zack being "alive" would go anywhere truly different story-wise. Just as one example, if they meet up, it could allow Cloud a way out of his psychosis way before the black materia incident. There's lots they could in theory do with Zack for the core plot if they wanted, putting aside the Aerith romance angle.
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Apr 16, 2020 00:34
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Yes, yes...I think that would be an improvement over Tifa mind-diving him. I guess what I mean is, the Zack-Cloud relationship isn't exactly essential to the planet-saving plot of the game. You can do all sorts of neat character development interactions between them and still have the party go kick rear end.
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Apr 16, 2020 00:39
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Harrow posted:there's that view of Zack/Cloud in his one timeline sort of walking by Cloud/Aerith in the timeline we've been playing in without actually encountering one another Is that what that was? I thought it was just some metaphorical narrative-echo poo poo. I didn't take it literally.
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Apr 16, 2020 00:47
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If its metaphorical idk what its supposed to be a metaphor for, pretty much everything in that scene is hosed up from what its supposed to be
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Apr 16, 2020 00:48
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CottonWolf posted:Just as one example, if they meet up, it could allow Cloud a way out of his psychosis way before the black materia incident. There's lots they could in theory do with Zack for the core plot if they wanted, putting aside the Aerith romance angle. I personally would find it loving delicious Sephiroth thinks he's won by destroying the timeline in which Aerith dies and ultimately he loses, but instead finds the seven seconds he gave Cloud ended up loving him in the rear end harder than he could've possibly imagined. What if your puppet shakes off your manipulations way ahead of schedule and just loving shatters that materia you needed? Then whatcha gonna do momma's boy? edit: this scene could also be improved by making out with Roche afterward while mental Seph just stands there absolutely aghast. Flopsy fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Apr 16, 2020 |
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Apr 16, 2020 00:48
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Pollyanna posted:I'm referring to multiverse/time loop/causality stuff being over and done with. Changes to the game's story aren't really timey wimey, they're just changes. I also don't know what the gently caress was really going on there, so they could always just not follow up on it. I personally don't give that much of a poo poo about Zack anyway One of the last chapters was called Destiny Crossroads. I think the Zack scene (and the changed Stamp logo) was just to show how the time ghosts were changing other alternate universes to fit the OG FF7. I hope they don't follow up with the Zack thing also
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Apr 16, 2020 01:02
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Flopsy posted:edit: this scene could also be improved by making out with Roche afterward while mental Seph just stands there absolutely aghast. Every scene could be improved this way.
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Apr 16, 2020 01:04
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Zack is alive and wandering into the ruins of Midgar so episode 1.5/2 can take place at least 50% in a place they already have assets made for He will retrace the steps of the first game but mirrored and he'll just be going "whoa all this stuff is really broken, this is awful. I wish I had my big sword. Whoa this motorcycle guy is pretty cool."
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Apr 16, 2020 01:04
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What the hell happened to Roche anyway? You fight him twice in one chapter and then he just disappears forever. I was really expecting him to be the final boss of the motorcycle escape sequence.
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Apr 16, 2020 01:05
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The game needed more Roche edit: Jessie's chapter was it's own isolated storyline. You could remove the Jessie chapter and the plot could still move forward. It felt weird that Roche didn't show up later.
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Apr 16, 2020 01:05
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Rabid Snake posted:The game needed more Roche I almost feel like they were experimenting with the character to see now he landed with the fandom. Since he's been pretty warmly received I think we'll be seeing more of him.
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Apr 16, 2020 01:09
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I mean since they axed Mukki, we need another flamboyant recurring rascal.
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Apr 16, 2020 01:11
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HD DAD posted:I mean since they axed Mukki, we need another flamboyant recurring rascal. We kinda had that with Johnny in the original, but I hope that he gets to keep his happy ending going forward. He got himself a good life in a tropical resort, good for him. 
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Apr 16, 2020 01:13
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HD DAD posted:I mean since they axed Mukki, we need another flamboyant recurring rascal. I'll just leave this quote from his voice actor here: "I can’t speak to canon and writer’s intent, but I am pansexual, I have a crush on Cloud, and you can hear it come out sometimes in his dialogue."
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Apr 16, 2020 01:14
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100% Cloud is going to die instead of Aerith and Zach, who didn't die in this version, will pick up his sword up to take on the rest of the game.
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Apr 16, 2020 01:16
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Nitrousoxide posted:100% Cloud is going to die instead of Aerith and Zach, who didn't die in this version, will pick up his sword up to take on the rest of the game. The only reason I don't think they're going to do that is because the uproar over it might damage sales.
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Apr 16, 2020 01:17
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Nitrousoxide posted:100% Cloud is going to die instead of Aerith and Zach, who didn't die in this version, will pick up his sword up to take on the rest of the game.
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Apr 16, 2020 01:17
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I hated Roche quite a bit. Hm. Anyway I've fully cleared the game and done all the optional stuff. I thought about typing up an effortpost for how to best contend with certain sticking points on Hard Mode or beating the Pride & Joy gauntlet, but I'm not sure if that's really what the scope of this thread is. I'm curious as to how the rest of you who have beaten Hard feel about some of the changes; in a lot of the games I play, Easy is a visual novel, Normal is easy, and Hard is the Real Game™, but in FF7R Hard is right on the edge between interesting/challenging and gimmicky/tedious, with some parts very firmly falling into the latter camp. At the expense of typing a lot more words I'll also just say that I think this is probably my favorite game of this console generation, and I really appreciate that Squeenix did more than just slap a fresh coat of paint on an existing game and call it a day. Even extremely ambitious remakes like RE2make and RE3make now seem pretty pedestrian by comparison, which is saying something considering I thoroughly enjoyed both of those games.
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Apr 16, 2020 01:22
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guts and bolts posted:I hated Roche quite a bit. Hm. To be fair my tastes are quite eclectic. I think Mr. X is hot for example.
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Apr 16, 2020 01:31
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If we get a shot of Cloud and Zack standing shoulder to shoulder, side by side in their battle stances my soul might actually leave my body
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