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The Glumslinger posted:I think Chinese number is higher than reported, but I also think thats true pretty much everywhere The governor has gone out of his way to block the public from knowing the extent of the spread in them
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friendly 2 da void posted:the scenario you're describing is a lot more likely to happen with US citizens, except i'll be the entire world quarantining them Wait you believe the numbers the CCP is putting out? What's next you believe they aren't killing any Muslims?
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The Glumslinger posted:I think Chinese number is higher than reported, but I also think thats true pretty much everywhere That. Is. hosed up Even a state center. I can’t believe they weren’t crying for help to the higher ups.
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Apr 16, 2020 01:56
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friendly 2 da void posted:quarantined anyone who tested positive I'm pretty sure they quarantined anyone who set foot in the fever clinic, until they tested negative. That's the secret sauce. That's the harsh poo poo that the US is super not doing. I'm paraphrasing this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3gCbkeARbY
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Just because China is lying doesn't mean they have more cases than the US. The American response has been awful, and by all accounts the Chinese response was far more severe and draconian. You don't get to just say the CCP is lying and then pretend they have infinite deaths
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The Bananana posted:What if... The much more likely explanation is that early on China was no different from every other country on Earth and didn't have sufficient testing capacity to provide accurate numbers, and eventually their crazy strict quarantine practices were effective at slowing the spread, so now they're only testing serious symptomatic cases while ignoring the large number of asymptomatic members of the population. China doesn't have accurate death totals for the same reason that we don't have accurate death totals: most people who died did so at home of cardiac failure and nobody had the time, resources, or basic willpower to sit down and figure out which ones were coronavirus victims vs some other cause. People investigating the aftermath years from now will be comparing total death counts in regions now vs the past several years, the official tallies in every country are wildly inaccurate. "CHINA IS LYING" is kind of cute and naive in that it's a line of thought that vastly overestimates everyone's competency and the availability of resources. Of course China lies, but they don't have the ability to obtain accurate numbers even if they badly wanted them (which they don't)
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The Glumslinger posted:I think Chinese number is higher than reported, but I also think thats true pretty much everywhere
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In hindsight, I kind of wish Trump deployed the military to lock people in their houses based on the Chinese model because that poo poo would have been hilarious
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VikingSkull posted:In hindsight, I kind of wish Trump deployed the military to lock people in their houses based on the Chinese model because that poo poo would have been hilarious The only way to get out would be to join the military. That would be sweet.
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Xibanya posted:Plague Diary, day 12 Man am I glad to read this. Please keep posting itt ok, I believe you that you feel better; you know your body- but this thing has gone back and forth for others and reading that you are ok matters extra to me. I dunno why, one of our few ladies maybe. It is just really good to hear, I was scared for you 
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coronavirus posted:Wait you believe the numbers the CCP is putting out? That's the thing though, believe them in what sense? They're obviously not reflective of reality, but that's also the case everywhere else; you cannot find a single state in the US whose reported infection or death numbers are accurate.
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VikingSkull posted:In hindsight, I kind of wish Trump deployed the military to lock people in their houses based on the Chinese model because that poo poo would have been hilarious shut the gently caress up VikingSkull
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I'm moderately terrified by the amount of unrest stirring in the USA over the lockdown. Many people think that this lockdown is to rob the virus of available hosts, but it's actually just to stop hospital systems from being overwhelmed. There has already been an anti lockdown protest in Michigan? I think Dr. Fauci using that incredibly optimistic model to base his statements on combined with the slow drip of lockdowns being extended along with Trump's unhinged bullshit being broadcast across the country are going to lead to some seriously hosed up times to come. It's kinda like the 1918 outbreak. People came back from WW1, and the public came out in swarms despite the outbreak, and it resulted in the deadliest period of time for it.
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Synthetic Dreams posted:I'm moderately terrified by the amount of unrest stirring in the USA over the lockdown. Many people think that this lockdown is to rob the virus of available hosts, but it's actually just to stop hospital systems from being overwhelmed. There has already been an anti lockdown protest in Michigan? I think Dr. Fauci using that incredibly optimistic model to base his statements on combined with the slow drip of lockdowns being extended along with Trump's unhinged bullshit being broadcast across the country are going to lead to some seriously hosed up times to come. It's kinda like the 1918 outbreak. People came back from WW1, and the public came out in swarms despite the outbreak, and it resulted in the deadliest period of time for it.
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Burt Sexual posted:That. Is. hosed up "“To all the people calling into the governor’s office, the congressman’s office to help us tell them WE NEED HELP,” a representative of Andover Subacute & Rehab Center Two wrote at 7:18 p.m. on Monday, in a Facebook post that was deleted on Wednesday." lol this nursing home was apparently trying to cover up a bunch of dead old people
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I hate people. There is a bunch of people I know getting their trumpbux who are already planning to waste it on entirely stupid poo poo instead of saving it for the inevitable rainy day that is going to come down sooner rather than later, and may in fact already be here. One of my friends was just bragging to me a few hours ago about how he was getting a PS4 Pro with his money on Craigslist and spending most of the rest on other frivolous crap. I feel like I'm the only person in my friend's group who is even aware of the concept of saving. I bet you anything there are way more of these morons out there as well, wastefully spending what they should try to conserve.
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Synthetic Dreams posted:There has already been an anti lockdown protest in Michigan? There was, yes. One thing to keep in mind though is that protests like that one are performed by a very loud but very small minority. Most people know the orders to shelter in place and limit non essential travel are for the good of the public health and safety. They also know the protesters are giant bitch babies who think they, to quote the fuckin' president, 'have the right to do whatever we want'. They're viewed as spoiled rear end in a top hat toddlers having a tantrum because they can't go to the hair salon.
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Synthetic Dreams posted:I'm moderately terrified by the amount of unrest stirring in the USA over the lockdown. Many people think that this lockdown is to rob the virus of available hosts, but it's actually just to stop hospital systems from being overwhelmed. Those are the same goal, robbing the virus of available hosts is what stops hospital systems from being overwhelmed. But I know what you mean, bringing the true infection rate below 1 was always a long shot
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I hope one day we look back at old age homes the same way we look back at Victorian work houses
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AnnoyBot posted:I'm pretty sure they quarantined anyone who set foot in the fever clinic, until they tested negative. That's the secret sauce. That's the harsh poo poo that the US is super not doing. And not at home. Imagine those chud protesters in this scenario he laid out
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FlamingLiberal posted:Those people in Lansing were just the typical MAGA CHUDS. If it's just random people then I will be concerned. But polling suggests that the majority of people are taking this seriously and understand why we are doing quarantines/lockdowns. For what it's worth, the worst fights I've seen on Facebook is on pro-lockdown posts by people who are usually MAGA chuds. The other chuds just launch an all out assault, and the less crazy ones waded right into the fight against them. That usually unbreakable wall of fantasy broke for a lot of them. So I genuinely believe that there is solid majority support of the lockdown. Part of the problem is that it seems like it's made the hardened ones support it even less. In a way it's nice to see them seeing their own bullshit unmasked against them in those fights. They seemed surprised that the echo chamber they lived in could suddenly turn against them so violently.
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VikingSkull posted:In hindsight, I kind of wish Trump deployed the military to lock people in their houses based on the Chinese model because that poo poo would have been hilarious That wasn’t the model though? Unless dude above was just lieing really well
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VikingSkull posted:In hindsight, I kind of wish Trump deployed the military to lock people in their houses based on the Chinese model because that poo poo would have been hilarious Ah, Schrodinger's quarantine strategy. Wait to declare whether it works or not depending on who does it. Genius.
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Gologle posted:I hate people. There is a bunch of people I know getting their trumpbux who are already planning to waste it on entirely stupid poo poo instead of saving it for the inevitable rainy day that is going to come down sooner rather than later, and may in fact already be here. One of my friends was just bragging to me a few hours ago about how he was getting a PS4 Pro with his money on Craigslist and spending most of the rest on other frivolous crap. I feel like I'm the only person in my friend's group who is even aware of the concept of saving. One of the ideas behind giving people a bunch of cash on hand is so that they go out and spend it on poo poo. The idea is that if you give people "free cash" they'll buy poo poo which will kick start the economy, moving the money into local/american businesses/sellers hands, and then up the chain. Now, you can argue an awful lot about how effective all that is. But, it's a valid stance to be making that they're very well in their rights to spend it now on whatever and that's actually a GOOD thing overall, as opposed to hoarding the money and letting the already slowed economy stagnate further. Again, on an individual by individual basis, how wise is that? And will this plan truly work? I'm not saying yes or no. But this IS part of the reasoning behind getting this economic stimulus out there.
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QuarkJets posted:Those are the same goal, robbing the virus of available hosts is what stops hospital systems from being overwhelmed. But I know what you mean, bringing the true infection rate below 1 was always a long shot Yeah, but to date, there has been very little media acknowledgement of a lockdown state extending two years into the future. The model that Dr. Fauci is using is super optimistic, and I think states in the northeast & western USA will be reasonably okay heading into the future, but I have no faith that more conservative states are going to press forward with long term shutdowns against the wishes of Donald Trump. And I'm already seeing some maddening talk amongst anarchist/more left leaning communities about pursuing anti lockdown protests to not allow the federal government to exercise more control over our society too. I dunno. I'm kinda anxious because I think we're gonna have at least a few major riots within the next year.
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Big Beef City posted:One of the ideas behind giving people a bunch of cash on hand is so that they go out and spend it on poo poo. I think it's better if we start off at the top. You see, if you give the rich people more money it will, let's say... trickle down.
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Burt Sexual posted:That wasn’t the model though? Unless dude above was just lieing really well There's like dozens of videos of the PLA welding bars across apartment and house doors to enforce quarantines. It's not like they locked them in to die, they made sure they had food and whatever medication they needed, but c'mon. You know drat well that no matter the administration in the States that wasn't gonna fly here.
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VikingSkull posted:There's like dozens of videos of the PLA welding bars across apartment and house doors to enforce quarantines. It's not like they locked them in to die, they made sure they had food and whatever medication they needed, but c'mon. You know drat well that no matter the administration in the States that wasn't gonna fly here. Did you watch the video how China did the lockdown when they got serious?
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FlamingLiberal posted:Those people in Lansing were just the typical MAGA CHUDS. https://twitter.com/DispatchAlerts/status/1250022758555308034 FlamingLiberal posted:I'm waiting to hear the inevitable stories of this happening at nursing homes here in FL Same in Ohio. There's 700 reported cases of COVID-19 in long care facilities but they're not disclosing the number of deaths: https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200...ed?rssfeed=true
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Burt Sexual posted:Did you watch the video how China did the lockdown when they got serious? Yes, and locking people in a clinic would have similar results here due to how our civil rights work. I feel like you know this already.
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Big Beef City posted:Again, on an individual by individual basis, how wise is that? And will this plan truly work? I'm not saying yes or no. But this IS part of the reasoning behind getting this economic stimulus out there. I understand the basics of economics as well as any other guy who actually paid attention in their classes back in school. In principle, you are absolutely correct. The problem is human nature. There a lot of poor people for whom $1,200 all at once is a big deal, and most of them are dumb and will go into a frenzy chasing short term pleasures instead of being wise about how they spend their cash. I wouldn't be complaining if my friends spent it on, say, food, bills, other necessities. But these motherfuckers don't even finish most of the games they do buy, they just like having a massive backlog they will never get around to because ???
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Spinz posted:Man am I glad to read this. Please keep posting itt ok, I believe you that you feel better; you know your body- but this thing has gone back and forth for others and reading that you are ok matters extra to me. Thanks!  it was good to open up to ya'll about my scary Roni experience, particularly since I was downplaying how bad my case was to my mom so she wouldn't lose her mind with worry. (Fortunately my folks are taking this very seriously.) If any more of ya'll catch this, I hope you post updates too. God knows maybe we'll end up collecting more useful data about this fucker than the CDC will dole out. Also, this thread needs a gangtag for being the only Covid thread on this drat site that isn't totally insufferable. I can't believe this horrible plague got me posting in GBS again.
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Synthetic Dreams posted:Yeah, but to date, there has been very little media acknowledgement of a lockdown state extending two years into the future. The model that Dr. Fauci is using is super optimistic, and I think states in the northeast & western USA will be reasonably okay heading into the future, but I have no faith that more conservative states are going to press forward with long term shutdowns against the wishes of Donald Trump. And I'm already seeing some maddening talk amongst anarchist/more left leaning communities about pursuing anti lockdown protests to not allow the federal government to exercise more control over our society too. I dunno. I'm kinda anxious because I think we're gonna have at least a few major riots within the next year. Hey, the far-left isn't wrong there is a very real risk at the US government taking and keeping extra power as a result of public fear a la patriot act and 9/11. Doesn't mean we shouldn't listen for now and wear our masks and stay home if we can etc. But you have to be very careful these temporary measures don't turn into a george bush jr jack off session that never ends.
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Gologle posted:I hate people. There is a bunch of people I know getting their trumpbux who are already planning to waste it on entirely stupid poo poo instead of saving it for the inevitable rainy day that is going to come down sooner rather than later, and may in fact already be here.
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I'm still working and got my Trump Bux today. My first thought is "hell yeah, free money" - but then I'm thinking; if I lose my job, this one-time(?) payment won't be worth a darn. I really wish we had real testing. Like, mass testing of everyone to see who has antibodies.
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Gologle posted:I hate people. There is a bunch of people I know getting their trumpbux who are already planning to waste it on entirely stupid poo poo instead of saving it for the inevitable rainy day that is going to come down sooner rather than later, and may in fact already be here. One of my friends was just bragging to me a few hours ago about how he was getting a PS4 Pro with his money on Craigslist and spending most of the rest on other frivolous crap. I feel like I'm the only person in my friend's group who is even aware of the concept of saving. That was my plan but I figure I might as well put it toward paying off my car. I only have a year or so left so this will help get me there a little faster.
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Duck and Cover posted:Well it's like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQE66WA2s-A but people now have phones that can record video. Oh wait was that too modern? I got you covered still http://www.hamsterdance.org/hamsterdance/. Wait not old enough? No problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_the_Giant_Has_a_Posse. It's okay that might be too modern for you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilroy_was_here. Alright that should be old enough! weird it looked like a music video to me
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y'all. as a T1 diabetic in the rural south without a job or health insurance... i'm stressed beyond belief. can i just rant for a second? i'm gonna rant for a second. here's a tale about horrible timing. i quit my job at the end of january to spend 3 months in japan, farting around on a tourist visa. get there no problem on feb 5th. in mid-february, as you know, japan started to close attractions and cancel events. honestly the worst things about the trip wasn't the lack of things to do, but not knowing enough of the language to get my news first-hand and all my folks back home being asleep when i needed to talk to someone. i was pretty stressed out and afraid by the time my sister and i decided to cut the trip short at the end of march. i'm an american. my sister married a canadian some years ago and has permanent residency. the contrast between the way these two countries care (or don't) for their citizens has been so goddamn heartbreaking. united states department of state's official statement on getting citizens back home was, "don't rely on us." meanwhile, canada offers loans to citizens to get flights back. i'm sure this is all old news to you, but gently caress it was hard to see when i was trying to get back home. which i did. i get home and quarantine for 14 days. just waiting around for two weeks to see if i have covid-19. at this point i have convinced myself catching it will be certain death due to my comorbidity. i'm alone, watching my members of my own family and close friends continue to visit the grocery multiple times a week, visit friends and lovers, host parties, etc. i feel completely loving helpless here. i wasn't able to prepare for this while abroad. i won't be able to get a job anytime soon. i can't file for unemployment. i am so, so lucky to have a stockpile of insulin and an awesome endo who will help me get more for nearly free if not totally free. i feel simultaneously blessed and cursed to be able to live with family until i can figure out a viable plan. but this feeling powerlessness and vulnerability, contemplating my mortality for the first time... this poo poo suxxx. but honestly!!! what is really frustrating!!! i've never been healthier than i am today. part of me keeps whispering these little hopes like "diabetics have a 40% mortality rate because of all the unhealthy/noncomplaint/T2s. you're a fit T1." but like, any kind of hope or optimism seems silly right now. but i guess stress is bad for your immune system so maybe i should meditate or do yoga twice a day instead of just once. anyways, all that to say i have to go grocery shopping tomorrow for the first time since i got back, and i'm really scared. lol. oh and i got my tumpbux today so that's nice.
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