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Didn't Yoko decide to fast-forward to the closing sequence of the Wrestlemania IX match because he was gassed and like four minutes were shaved off?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Didn't Yoko decide to fast-forward to the closing sequence of the Wrestlemania IX match because he was gassed and like four minutes were shaved off? Apparently yes, haha. It would explain why it takes Fuji, like, thirty seconds to get the salt out because even he was taken aback by it.
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Apr 15, 2020 14:16
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Bret had great wrestling matches, Shawn had great sports entertainment matches if that makes sense.
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Apr 15, 2020 14:33
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I get differentiating them but hate the idea of "sports entertainment" being something that is good or bad on its own since it's just a shitass McMahon term. Great matches are great wrestling matches. Shawn was a great wrestler and after people get over his horrible tender moments he keeps agenting, things will go back to that
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Apr 15, 2020 14:45
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forkboy84 posted:You can still be great & over-rated though. IE the Shawn Razor ladder match at Wrestlemania X is both extremely good & also over-rated because some people have claimed it was the best match on a show with Bret vs Owen which no. Sorry Dave Meltzer, you were wrong. I don't think Meltzer was wrong at the time--the WMX ladder match was really groundbreaking and we hadn't really seen anything like it at the time (I know Bret brought the idea from Stampede, but those matches looked totally different from what I've seen). It looks tame now that there are thousands of ladder matches with more spectacle, but I can't fault anyone for rating it at the top in 1994. Whereas Bret/Owen is just high quality work from start to finish that is pretty timeless. But even now, I think you need to give the ladder match extra credit for how influential it was.
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The only thing that I hate about the Wrestlemania X ladder match is how everyone downplays Scott Hall's role in the match, but that might be the Razor Ramon fan in me talking. I also think Bret/Owen was the better match.
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:I think it's still Rey
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Watching some of these WWF Superstars episodes from 1992 and it got me wondering - was there any particular reason Jim Powers was relegated to enhancement talent in the early '90s? He's Vince's prototypical muscular dreamboat and looks really out of place among all the schlubby jobbers. It's especially odd since they were repackaging Hogan-era midcard guys left and right at the time.bartok posted:The only thing that I hate about the Wrestlemania X ladder match is how everyone downplays Scott Hall's role in the match, but that might be the Razor Ramon fan in me talking. I also think Bret/Owen was the better match. 
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Minidust posted:Watching some of these WWF Superstars episodes from 1992 and it got me wondering - was there any particular reason Jim Powers was relegated to enhancement talent in the early '90s? He's Vince's prototypical muscular dreamboat and looks really out of place among all the schlubby jobbers. It's especially odd since they were repackaging Hogan-era midcard guys left and right at the time. He was short
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Shawn Micheals, (known arsehole), oversold clownishly for known arsehole Hulk Hogan, and did so just to mock and humiliate the large bald orange man. Thus he is at least a little bit cool and good.
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OFFICER LIGER posted:I will say regarding shawn vs bret, bret hart's matches have aged way better than shawns this. bret's matches will still be incredible twenty, thirty years from now. bret understood his craft at a level where unless the entire structure and concept of professional wrestling completely changes, those matches will always be timeless shawn was entertaining but a lot of matches just seemed hollow and shallow to me. he got a lot better though as he got older and had to work smarter
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Apr 16, 2020 09:29
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Shawn's best matches are better than Bret's best matches.
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Apr 16, 2020 11:07
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Randaconda posted:Shawn's best matches are better than Bret's best matches.
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Apr 16, 2020 11:13
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Bret's greatest singles matches: Mr Perfect, Owen x2, Piper, Austin x2 HBK x 3 (Iron Man match is debatable), Bulldog x 2, Undertaker, Diesel, Benoit Shawn's greatest singles matches: HHH (three good ones, the rest are over indulgent crap), Angle x 2, Undertaker x 5, Jarrett, Bret x 3, Bulldog, Flair, Cena, Austin x 2, Mankind
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jesus WEP posted:I think Mania 13 is a better match than any of Shawn’s
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wrong e: although probably a bigger differentiator is that Bret had a much better opponent for his best match than Shawn did for his
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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:Bret's greatest singles matches: Mr Perfect, Owen x2, Piper, Austin x2 HBK x 3 (Iron Man match is debatable), Bulldog x 2, Undertaker, Diesel, Benoit Iron Man is one of the worst, most boring WM main events.
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jesus WEP posted:wrong fight me irl 
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Randaconda posted:Iron Man is one of the worst, most boring WM main events. It's not great but it's not actually that bad. Maybe in the bottom 3rd but only just. There's been some right crap WM Main events
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It’s stupid overrated by WWE but it’s better than the mania main events that both preceded and followed it
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forkboy84 posted:It's not great but it's not actually that bad. Maybe in the bottom 3rd but only just. There's been some right crap WM Main events Yeah, but they didn't last an hour. Although Miz/Cena or Brock/Roman going an hour sounds horribly fascinating
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Seams posted:pretty amazing that HHH didn't politic himself into retiring flair Oh this reminds me though, gently caress I loved that cage match between Flair and HHH at Taboo Tuesday, and it had the right finish too.
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Jerusalem posted:Oh this reminds me though, gently caress I loved that cage match between Flair and HHH at Taboo Tuesday, and it had the right finish too. That match loving owned. Love the close up to Hunter when he realized the Nature Boy wasn't as old and washed as he thought he was.
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Jerusalem posted:Oh this reminds me though, gently caress I loved that cage match between Flair and HHH at Taboo Tuesday, and it had the right finish too. Yes this is really great. Triple H had some actual good matches in 2005.
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Apr 16, 2020 11:51
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Come to think of it, why was HBK the guy who Flair had his last match with anyway?
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HHH was in the three way match with Cena and Orton. Probably to add some "star power". I'd imagine HHH was wary of the reaction he'd receive if he retired Flair. HBK was/is more beloved.
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Probably because it ensured it would be a good match.
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Probably because it ensured it would be a good match. Oh for sure it's just that when I think of guys who Flair had a history with, HBK doesn't exactly spring to mind. Looking at the rest of the WM 24 card though it's hard to see who else could've replaced Shawn other than HHH who as Breitbart is Rightbart said already had a match.
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I still cannot believe that Edge/Orton is the second-longest Wrestlemania match after the XII Iron Man, and the runtime is after they had a week to edit it down.
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Jerusalem posted:Oh this reminds me though, gently caress I loved that cage match between Flair and HHH at Taboo Tuesday, and it had the right finish too.
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I hate the Iron Man match but it's a better Mania main event than Miz/Cena, Roman/HHH, Roman/Taker, HHH/Orton, and Sid/Taker.
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I liked Sid/Taker. It being the one true hoss off in 'Mania history probably helps, though.
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I almost forgot about Hogan/Sid, that match was poo poo. Swap it out with Sid/Taker if you want.
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Benne posted:I hate the Iron Man match but it's a better Mania main event than Miz/Cena, Roman/HHH, Roman/Taker, HHH/Orton, and Sid/Taker. Also Hogan/Yokozuna, Hogan/Sid, Hogan/Bundy and Hogan/Slaughter. Defiance Industries fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Apr 16, 2020 |
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Hogan/Slaughter was a perfectly fine match
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I rewatched Hogan/Slaughter recently and while I don't think it's a bad match per se, the entire angle leaves such a bad taste in my mouth that it seems much worse than it is. I mean, the climax is Hogan ripping up an Iraqi flag as people cheer. The Sid match from the following year is just bad though, and that's before you even get to the completely botched finish.
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The Hogan-Slaughter DESERT STORM MATCH from MSG is legitimately great, though. As Loss from ProWrestlingOnly described it: "Hogan looks like the coolest guy in the world wearing the camo and throwing fireballs at those who dare disgrace America."
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What Foley putting over a young guy match do people prefer? Orton in 04 or Edge in 06? I've just watched the Orton match for the first time since it happened and it's probably the most lauded of the two. But the Edge one is really good. Talk to me about Mick Foley putting over young future stars in hardcore matches.
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HHH in a street fight at RR 2000 and hell in a cell the next month
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