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Gonzo McFee posted:She has a massive golden piano that she gave a speech in front of. We're all in this together.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.24.20042937v1 is a pre-print of a paper exploring the possibility - I'll leave it to wiser posters to point out any glaring errors in it. I've flicked through the paper and whilst I think it's an interesting topic, I don't think this is the way to look at it. It's quite a poorly constructed study (they haven't even really established the degree to which countries have good BCG coverage. Does an active vaccine program mean good uptake? Or good population coverage? What if it only started last year?). There are, simply, far too many factors accounting for differences in death rates between countries in a pandemic than can be reasonably accounted for here. The best way I can think of doing this is a cohort study looking at ITU admissions for ventilation for cov-19 positive patients. Split into BCG and non-BCG vaccinated patients. Control for age, gender, comorbids. See who does better. This would only tell you if bcg is a protective factor in preventing death in ITU (+/- secondary outcomes like duration of stay, time intubated etc). You could also do it at point of testing for cov-19, looking at progression to hospital admission +/- I+V. Again this would be limited in that it's only tracking people who get symptoms (maybe BCG stops you from even getting those?) but it'd still be an interesting project. These could be retrospective audits, but often info on BCG vaccination is poorly recorded so would be unlikely to yield information.
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happyhippy posted:"Cross me, and I'll do you a Diana." 
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.24.20042937v1 is a pre-print of a paper exploring the possibility - I'll leave it to wiser posters to point out any glaring errors in it. quote:Our data suggests that BCG vaccination seem to significantly reduce mortality associated with COVID-19. This sentence (and the paper in general) is a pretty good example of an ecological fallacy. They don't have the data for these inferences. This blog post explains the issues well: https://www.forbes.com/sites/madhukarpai/2020/04/12/bcg-against-coronavirus-less-hype-and-more-evidence-please/#7145f9c06b4f The WHO cautions that there's no evidence that BCG vaccination is protective against COVID-19: https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/bacille-calmette-gu%C3%A9rin-(bcg)-vaccination-and-covid-19 (apols if these links have been posted, I've been taking an internet break)
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Jose posted:that was loud Couple of knobheads doing burnouts on their bikes around here, which if nothing else is a waste of rubber when every bike tyre shop in 20 miles is closed.
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Jose posted:that was loud What was?
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sassassin posted:What was? Banging and clapping I guess
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sassassin posted:What was? The National Clap, which is different to what Boris had
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Clap for the NHS is such virtue signalling bullshit. If you really care about the NHS stop voting for a poo poo eating party that thinks, fundamentally that healthcare workers don’t deserve money or equipment.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52312560 UK 2020: "the purchase of snacks and luxuries is still permitted” quote:Coronavirus lockdown: Police guidelines give 'reasonable excuses' to go out annoyingly the article doesn’t link a copy of the doc. is it on the web somewhere?
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Cerv posted:annoyingly the article doesn’t link a copy of the doc. is it on the web somewhere? https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/COVID-19/Documents/What-constitutes-a-reasonable-excuse.pdf
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Apr 16, 2020 20:24
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heard the clapping while cycling in south london and i’m surprised how mad it made me
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So going out to buy an ‘essential’ newspaper every day is likely to be reasonable, but going out once to get DIY supplies is not? Hmm
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Qwertycoatl posted:https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/COVID-19/Documents/What-constitutes-a-reasonable-excuse.pdf ta notable that exercise is specifically not limited to once per day. I’m sure that contradicts a specific statement by at least one cabinet member
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Cerv posted:ta The Health Protection Regulations doesn't give a limit
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That photo of the Queen reminds me of a Tweet I saw last week. It was her image but on closer inspection she was wearing the white Aheago shirt.
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Just came back from a big walk and it felt nice everyone clapping as I walked in the middle of the road. Parade No birds but I saw some frogs. 
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:So going out to buy an ‘essential’ newspaper every day is likely to be reasonable, but going out once to get DIY supplies is not? Hmm How else will you find out how well Boris is doing?
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Cerv posted:ta It said "one form of exercise" so you can do unlimited instances of your chosen exercise, maybe go for 20 walks a day, but you mustn't walk AND cycle on the same day. (Pretty sure they originally meant one time per day but that's not what they said! Hastily drawn up legislation!)
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How long have you been on that bench mate?! Where do you live *whips out calculator*
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lmao https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1250868122376159283?s=20
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To my eternal shame, I actually helped that Akehurst campaign in Cabot. (We had no other potential candidates as far as I remember.) He did not resemble Trotsky. He was very pink and barely spoke at all. I thought it was shyness but later realized it's because we were all people he hated.
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OwlFancier posted:Didn't know Bruno Mars was a tory. "Easy come, easy go That's just how the Tories live We take, take, take it all but you never give Should've known we was trouble from the first election Had your eyes wide open Why were they open Took you all the NHS had and we tossed it in the trash We tossed it in the trash, we did To give me all your votes is all we ever ask 'Cause what you don't understand is We'd catch immigrants for ya (yeah yeah) Throw the NHS on a blade for ya (yeah yeah) We'd privatise the trains for ya (yeah yeah) You know we won't do anything for ya (yeah yeah) Oh whoa oh We would put you through all this pain Make you wish for a bullet straight through my brain Yes you would die for your Tory baby But we won't do the same No no no no"
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XMNN posted:in case anyone else is wondering what CCF is, it's this I always thought it was Combined Cadet Force! https://combinedcadetforce.org.uk/
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I always thought it was Combined Cadet Force! That was actually my first thought, too, because we had one at my (grammar  ) school, but I was pretty sure the tory boy/cadet correlation wasn't quite official enough for there to be a poster.lol e: how old is akehurst, it didn't turn up on the very quick Google search I did and he looks like he could be anywhere between 12 and 50. that leaflet looks like it was produced in the late 70s to me XMNN fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Apr 16, 2020 |
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XMNN posted:
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If anyone's got any dough: NB JVL shared the link, they're not the ones running the Just Giving. quote:Weʼre raising £5,000 to defend legal proceedings brought by BBC Panorama reporter John Ware https://twitter.com/JVoiceLabour/status/1250895960265416704?s=20 Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Apr 16, 2020 |
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Cerv posted:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52312560 Apologies if I've misread your point but buying alcohol is always going to be permitted, we are a nation of alcoholics and a tide of people going into withdrawal all at once would be a disaster, and if we're letting people get their booze anyway then they might as well buy some crisps too while they're there. The post-Thatcher rise in alcoholism still has a particular wierdly specific place in the Tory superego though they're always going to rhetoric it as 'snacks and luxuries' poo poo.
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at 21 in the early 90s Luke Akehurst looked like a 1950s bank teller lmao
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bump_fn posted:heard the clapping while cycling in south london and i’m surprised how mad it made me I'm in a Labour seat so I just think it's pointless, but I'm sure if I were in a Tory seat it would enrage the gently caress out of me lol he went to Exeter, no surprise there there can't be many universities where the largest political society on campus is the Tories
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Julio Cruz posted:I'm in a Labour seat so I just think it's pointless, but I'm sure if I were in a Tory seat it would enrage the gently caress out of me the clapping is okay in Leith because i don't think many people voted tory around here. i may court the ire of the thread here but i did a bit of clapping myself tbh just because it seemed nicer than just sitting by the window not doing anything
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The clapping woke me up.
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