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If we had a Herc or some other sort of STOL/rough runway cargo plane, maybe we steal the radar.
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If you want to fight your way through 310 nm of hostile territory to Chinook up a radar... well, I'm sure we can rent a cargo hauler. It is on a hill, a rather large one, and will probably be defended by something. But if your balls are big enough, we can find someone to carry them.
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Apr 15, 2020 14:03
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We don't really have any infantry to take it with even if we did hire a heavy lifter, although if we'd gone with Two Men and a Hind I'd be all about it....
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Apr 15, 2020 14:14
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Crazycryodude posted:We don't really have any infantry to take it with even if we did hire a heavy lifter, although if we'd gone with Two Men and a Hind I'd be all about it.... Zebba is great, but we really need Serbian livers right now. Reformatting the mission into The Great Radar Heist would be premium.
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Apr 15, 2020 14:25
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I'm sure if we can dig up an aircraft that can move the thing that we could also find some dudes to physically steal it, surely the aircraft cost would dominate that budget. But as much as this is impractically absurd as a suggestion now I kind of want to see somebody attempt it because it's so ridiculous. What's the negative if our Chinook or whatever gets shot down? Disappointingly as far as I can tell all of CMO's C-130s have a 450m minimum runway length. No JATO here (not even in the Cold War database). C'mon devs where's my Credible Sport??
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Apr 15, 2020 14:31
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i mostly want to blow up the automated rail because gently caress rio tinto, even if that picture isn't representative it's making me mad. the bridge is close to what looks like civilian houses so if we are going to blow it up it'd be a good candidate for Zeeba to laser designate.Yooper posted:
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Apr 15, 2020 14:50
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power crystals posted:What's the negative if our Chinook or whatever gets shot down? Negatives Loss of prestige which leads to less available special munitions. That said performing daring operations can guarantee a minimum level of special munitions. Special Ops If you have a daring plan I'll finagle the lua code to make it happen.
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Apr 15, 2020 15:05
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RandomPauI posted:Land boats Hovercraft!
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Apr 15, 2020 15:15
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Alright, I'm envisioning an op in Either way, we should definitely hit the rail bridge just to keep our strike assets tasked. I figure lighting that up is a good job for our drones, shouldn't be hard. We can task Zebba to locate the concealed airfields and decide what, if anything, to do about them once we've got some intel worth talking about. Another thing to note; the Groundmaster is 310nm behind the border, but it's only got a range of about 275nm. Apparently there are Mi-8 Hip varients with OECM, if we ever wind up running a helo squadron might be worth looking into those. edit: land a herc on the highway near the groundmaster, hire the local 12 Guys With Truck franchise to pack the radar, drive it down the hill, load it on the herc, and fly off? hercs make about 320-350 knots depending on variant so only an hour transit each way but we'd probably wind up making up the time in loitering for a few hours while the moving company does their thing. this is still basically its own bonus mission haha Radio Free Kobold fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Apr 15, 2020 |
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Apr 15, 2020 17:07
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Here's our public basing information. There's Aérodrome de Gouré near Goure. 1500m dirt airfield. Maybe the government has upgraded it after operations started. Maine-Soroa supposedly has an airfield, but I have not been able to locate any information about it. I suspect this is more an area set aside where bush planes can land, rather than any real facility. Nevertheless it may be operational at this time. Diffa Airport has a 1900m asphalt runway and seems suitable for something close to the area. Going farther back the facilities we used at Zinder (1800m asphalt) are still available. One facility I didn't find on the last search is Tessaoua Airport, a 1200m dirt airstrip between Zinder and Maradi. https://dlca.logcluster.org/display/public/DLCA/2.2+Niger+Aviation On the other side of the border, there's a lot more possibilities for the OpFor. Of course, there's a strong possibility that a facility could be built from scratch or from an existing road anywhere in the desert on the border. But in terms of pre-existing facilities: Mission-Relevant: We have Yobe International Airport at Damaturu. This is a cargo airport that's under construction irl but may have been rushed to completion in this timeline. It has a 4100m asphalt runway. Anything big could easily be launched from here. Maiduguri International Airport has a 3000m asphalt runway. Potiskum Airstrip is a 950m dirt runway airstrip on the highway west of Damaturu. Possibility it could have been upgraded. Azare Airstrip is 2000m asphalt and a similar distance from the border as Damaturu and Potiskum. Nguru Airstrip is southeast of Nguru and is a 710m dirt runway. It's closed and overgrown on google satellite imagery, but could easily have been cleared or even extended. It's basically right on the border. One location that didn't come to my attention last mission but should be mentioned now is Umar Musa Yaradua Airport, in Katsina, which is right on the border next to Maradi and Zinder on the immediate flight path to Kano, and next door to an airforce base. Surprised the generals aren't garrisoning this area. https://dlca.logcluster.org/display/public/DLCA/2.2+Nigeria+Aviation but note that I found this map to be fairly inaccurate. Nigeria has real airports so lovely airstrips don't show up on the more official surveys. e:stealing the groundmaster seems a lot of trouble for something that could easily go wrong in multiple places. And it's so far away. Like, painfully far. TheDemon fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Apr 20, 2020 |
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Apr 15, 2020 18:54
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TheDemon posted:And it's so far away. Like, painfully far. That's why they'll never expect it !
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Apr 15, 2020 20:17
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We can probably rule out any of the major international airports; we don't know where these guys are launching from, which rules out any sort of high-visibility location like that.
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Apr 15, 2020 20:55
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mllaneza posted:That's why they'll never expect it ! It's good that they don't have any way to see what's coming from their radar site.
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Apr 15, 2020 22:35
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Radio Free Kobold posted:We can probably rule out any of the major international airports; we don't know where these guys are launching from, which rules out any sort of high-visibility location like that. Most of these "international airports" consist of a single administration building, a single large tarmac spot, and a runway. They're not major airports in the sense that we're used to.
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Apr 15, 2020 22:52
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David Corbett posted:It's good that they don't have any way to see what's coming from their radar site. Not if it's a couple dozen dudes in hi-vis vests and hardhats they don't.
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Apr 15, 2020 23:29
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mllaneza posted:Not if it's a couple dozen dudes in hi-vis vests and hardhats they don't. Even if we could get them down there undetected they'd still need to hold the radar until the transport arrived. Unless you intend to just drive it back.
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Apr 16, 2020 00:27
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Yooper posted:
Can we get the restricted weapon counts? AMRAAMs are going to be crucial for this op.
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Apr 16, 2020 01:51
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power crystals posted:Even if we could get them down there undetected they'd still need to hold the radar until the transport arrived. Unless you intend to just drive it back. I wonder if Zebba could somehow pull off just driving it back...
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Apr 16, 2020 02:06
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TheDemon posted:Can we get the restricted weapon counts? AMRAAMs are going to be crucial for this op.  AIM-120C  KH-31  I kid you not, it was a 1.
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Apr 16, 2020 02:24
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Yooper posted:
Man, if I didn't know better I'd say you were actively encouraging us to try and heist the radar.
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Apr 16, 2020 02:30
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TheDemon posted:Here's our public basing information. Agadez Airport has a neighbouring strip to the SSE that doesn't appear on the list but is visible on google maps. 2000m, fully tarmacked, three hangers, what looks like a barracks complex attached. found a KFC in Tabelot, so that's a relief. thatbastardken fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Apr 16, 2020 |
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Apr 16, 2020 03:28
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Crazycryodude posted:I wonder if Zebba could somehow pull off just driving it back... Yeah, we're asking him if he can hire a bunch of guys, steal a radar, and then drive it back. That'd be one badass CAS-oriented mission, blasting his route open and keeping enemy aircraft and choppers away from him. We're doing this, or at least we're getting him drunk and asking him if he can do it.
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Apr 16, 2020 03:34
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Well the radar is in central Nigeria, about 650km away. That's a hell of a drive. also oof, one cruise missile, one. yikes.
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Apr 16, 2020 03:43
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so our closest basing options look like this, if I have it right:
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Apr 16, 2020 03:47
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Diffa is in a good spot for forward radar coverage and is just about right on top of the contractual obligation's area if I'm reading the map right. We probably ought to launch mostly out of there.
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Apr 16, 2020 03:51
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are there going to be issues with only using one strip? overcrowding or a risk of a (counter?)counter-strike catching our birds on the ground?
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Apr 16, 2020 04:04
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Could we do a fast turn around where we do everything but steal the radar first, then try to steal the radar if we get the other stuff done successfully?
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We have a very strike-focused force ... and this mission is a defensive-counter air mission that will probably lead to a lot of missile-slinging. To make things worse, only have enough AMRAAMs for 1/2-1/3 of our Eagles. Going toe-to-toe with the Gripens probably won't end well for us. So I propose we make this mission a strike mission. We execute a plan from the classic Hired Goons playbook: blow up their fighters on the ground. Operation Best Defense Phase 0: Gather Intel Zebba infiltrates Nigerian territory and serarches for airbases in the Nguru-Geidem-Damaturu-Azare box. Given that this is a VERY large area (almost 2000 square kilometers), Zebba should priortize the northern part of the saerch area first. He can grease palms, stand on top of a mountain with some binocs, or whatever else Zebba does. Base the three Patroller UAVs just north of Goudamaria. Use their ELINT and radar pods to look for possible airbase locations. The radar pod has a 370 km range, so they should be able to saerch the border without crossing itno Nigerian airspace. If, and only if, we can locate enemy airbase(s) in the area do we move to Phase 0.5. Phase 0.5: Pre-basing Rapidly deploy the needed fuel, ordnance, spares, and ground support personnel to our forward bases. -1st Fighter Squadron "Illegal Eagles" (F-15I) to Goure (If feasible. If not, base from Zinder) -2nd Strike Squadron (less 2x aircraft) "Swing for the Fencers" (Su-24) to Zinder -2x Su-24 to Diffa Arm the aircraft -Slammer Flight (4x F-15I with 4x AMRAAM and 4x Pythons) -Shorty Flight (3x F-15I with 4x AMRAAM and 4x Pythons) -Maverick (1x F-15I with 3x AMRAAM and 4x Pythons) ) *aircraft will only have 3 AMRAAMs due to ammo shortages -Speedbump Flight (4?x F-15I with SDB and Python) -Crater Flight (5x SU-24 with 2x KH-58 Kazoo) -Pothole Flight (5x SU-24 with 2x KH-58 Kazoo) -Dragon Jaw Flight (2?x Su-24 with 1500kg LGBs) -Patroller 1-2 with radar pods -Patroller 3 with ELINT pod Phase 1: Setup -Maverick will fly a racetrack 75km north of Goudamaria with Radar ON. -Patrollers 1-2 will head to points east and west, respectively, of Zoumba and beginning using the radar pods to look for activity on the Nigerian side of the border. Do NOT cross into Nigerian airspace. -Slammer and Shorty will take off and orbit at minimum altitude with Radar OFF -Speedbump Flight will take off and orbit at minimum altitude with Radar OFF -Crater and Pothole Flight will takeoff and transit to Goude at full military power and minimum altitude. Orbit at minimum altitude. Terrain following radar may be used for the transit, but otherwise Radar OFF. Phase 2: Attack -Slammer and Shorty Flight will climb to 25,000 feet at max speed (Full AB). Radars ON. Establish BARCAP patrol areas--Slammer to the west over Boune. Shorty to the southeast of Wodo. Engage any enemy aircaft sighted. When an aicraft is Winchester (no AMRAAMs remaining), have it fall back to orbit 75km north of Goudamaria--the aircraft is only cleared to return to combat if 1) all Gripens are out of action and 2) enemy Su-25 or Mi-24 are attacking ground forces. Fall back -Speedbump Flight will climb to 20,000 feet at max speed (Full AB). Radars OFF. Drop SDB when in range. Prioritize enemy aircraft and runways. When an aircraft is Dakota (no A2G weapons remaining), have it fall back to orbit 75km north of Goudamaria--the aircraft is only cleared to return to combat if 1) all Gripens are out of action and 2) enemy Su-25 or Mi-24 are attacking ground forces. -Crater and Pothole Flight will climb to 15,000 feet max speed (Full AB). Radars OFF. Fire Kazoos when in range. Prioritize enemy aircraft and runways. RTB when Dakota. Phase 3: Cleanup -Any remaining F-15s will orbit 75km north of Goudamaria. Radars ON. If any AMRAAMs remain, engage any Gripens that appear. If no AMRAAMs remain and Gripens appear, retreat out of range. If Gripens have been taken out of action, engage any remaining enemy aircraft with Pythons and guns. -If, and only if, the Gripens are out of action, Dragon Jaw Flight takes off and attacks the bridge at 15,000 feet AGL. Phase 4: RTB -All remaining aircraft RTB.
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thatbastardken posted:Agadez Airport has a neighbouring strip to the SSE that doesn't appear on the list but is visible on google maps. 2000m, fully tarmacked, three hangers, what looks like a barracks complex attached. That's an American drone base. Seriously. thatbastardken posted:so our closest basing options look like this, if I have it right: Missing Zinder which is highly important, and I would say Goure is viable also especially since we know the government has been doing upgrades just for us.
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Bacarruda posted:-Maverick (1x F-15I with 3x AMRAAM and 4x Pythons) ) *aircraft will only have 3 AMRAAMs due to ammo shortages Not 100% sure, but I think if you don't have enough ammo for the full loadout, the game may not allow you to do a partial loadout. Would be helpful if we can get confirmation from Yooper on whether or not this'd work before we go to voting on plans.
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Kickass Harpsichord posted:Not 100% sure, but I think if you don't have enough ammo for the full loadout, the game may not allow you to do a partial loadout. Would be helpful if we can get confirmation from Yooper on whether or not this'd work before we go to voting on plans. Yah, my bad, I'll err on the side of even loadouts in case the roll goes low.
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  We spoke with Zebba and he said he's game to help us "acquire" the Groundmaster. But, seeing as it is an operation in itself, we need to decide if we're going to go for it. It might be too much to protect Goudomaria and also acquire a truck 375nm behind enemy lines. If we vote to STEAL it, we make it a separate op after this op. If we vote NO DEAL then we just try to kill it later. So, STEAL or NO DEAL?
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I'm gonna actually vote NO DEAL. The reward isn't worth the risk imo; we've never really been hurting for radar coverage at our rear and that thing is way the hell into hostile territory. Better to just blow it up. Besides, the radar that came with our HELLADS is still pretty good.
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Apr 16, 2020 20:44
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Yooper posted:
There's a key phrase here: After this op. STEAL
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Also going with NO DEAL. I feel there are better things to steal that will show up.
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Apr 16, 2020 21:39
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No Deal, we don't need a radar that bad just blow it up
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Apr 16, 2020 21:47
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No deal; let's stay focused.
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Apr 16, 2020 23:57
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No Deal. Too much work for something that we don't really need right now. We can find something more worthy of a heist later.
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No Deal, I'd rather have Zebba focused on intel gathering than crimes.TheDemon posted:That's an American drone base. Seriously. Huh. Hey Yooper, are the Americans still using base 201 in this timeline? TheDemon posted:Missing Zinder which is highly important, and I would say Goure is viable also especially since we know the government has been doing upgrades just for us. Marked 'em, but has the government been upgrading Goure? I thought it was on offer but hadn't happened yet. 
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We don't know specifically what bases have been upgraded but at minimum we were told that tarmac space was available. Fencers can operate from unpaved airstrips. So can our drones. Even if Goure is still unpaved it's usable.
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