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Ploft-shell crab posted:any of y’all tenants trying to get you to run a god dang “service mesh”? idk what real problems these things are trying to solve, I think they’re just inventing stuff for themselves to do load balancing and canaries. basically, threading a single end user request back through a load balancer 10 times because of microservices is obviously horrible. service mesh isn’t obviously horrible
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istio specifically is google trying to regain control over (some aspect of) k8s regardless of whether the functionality even makes sense at that layer also the istio code is a mass of spaghetti. for example all external-dns 32 bit builds panic after running several minutes because they import some istio client library, which launches static background timer threads when the client module itself is imported (as opposed to when it’s actually inited/used), which then eventually crash after several minutes due to unaligned atomics in some istio base library Progressive JPEG fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Feb 12, 2020 |
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Nomnom Cookie posted:load balancing and canaries. basically, threading a single end user request back through a load balancer 10 times because of microservices is obviously horrible. service mesh isn’t obviously horrible well it definitely seems like more of the former! love too pass all dataplane traffic through userspace
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Progressive JPEG posted:istio specifically is google trying to regain control over (some aspect of) k8s regardless of whether the functionality even makes sense at that layer welp thanks for turning me off to istio agreed that service meshes are smarter than dealing with a mess of load balancers etc but dang. consul connect looks interesting but i no longer use many hashicorp products in infrastructure outside of terraform.
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istio is a stillsuit your app can wear that protects it from the dry and hostile environment of kubernetes
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Ploft-shell crab posted:any of y’all tenants trying to get you to run a god dang “service mesh”? idk what real problems these things are trying to solve, I think they’re just inventing stuff for themselves to do worse, i work for a company that PRODUCES a service mesh
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service meshes are for when you've given up on your developers giving a gently caress about monitoring, reliability or observability
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the talent deficit posted:service meshes are for when you've given up on your developers giving a gently caress about monitoring, reliability or observability sup 
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the talent deficit posted:service meshes are for when you've given up on your developers giving a gently caress about monitoring, reliability or observability its something the platform team can roll out to improve poo poo across the board without messing with product teams. so like yes you're right but also this is how we want it i guess
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my wacky local ISP double-NATs me but will sell me a public IPv4 address for $5/mo. when I asked to just get an IPv6 allocation they told me that they aren't there yet, but I could save money and get a NordVPN account for $3/mo.
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Jimmy Carter posted:my wacky local ISP double-NATs me but will sell me a public IPv4 address for $5/mo. More like IPv6000 years to implement!! We had a full ipv6 dual stack deployment at a relatively large place and it legitimately didn't cause many issues and any they did were purely server/client implementation related. Why an ISP wouldn't already provide it I have nfi.
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the talent deficit posted:service meshes are for when you've given up on your developers giving a gently caress about monitoring, reliability or observability me when i hear customers ask "can't we just log the whole request body cause otherwise we won't be able to figure out what went wrong with our apps" if the only way you can figure out what went wrong in upstream applications is logging the full request body to try and reconstruct the problem, you have bigger problems than this will solve
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Nomnom Cookie posted:its something the platform team can roll out to improve poo poo across the board without messing with product teams. so like yes you're right but also this is how we want it i guess i mean i get it but it's like installing inflatable bumpers along roadsides because drivers keep driving off the road. it's a terrible solution to a terrible problem that has a much simpler solution (ban cars/microservices)
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i would simply intentionally design systems instead of cobble together whatever shits laying around or sounds interesting until something resembling a usable outcome occurs
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akadajet posted:We're on Azure lmao. my goondolensces
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the talent deficit posted:i mean i get it but it's like installing inflatable bumpers along roadsides because drivers keep driving off the road. it's a terrible solution to a terrible problem that has a much simpler solution (ban cars/microservices) as a result of breaking a bunch of services out from a big ol monolith, our half-dozen or so product teams can deploy independently, and more importantly can rollback independently. rolling out linkerd so we can do canaries between the services is treating a self-inflicted wound, but pulling everything back into a single process would be even worse. if you have a Third Way architecture the resolves all these issues, please do share it and I will be happy to present it as my own at work and collect the kudos for solving a pretty significant problem we're facing
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Bloody posted:i would simply intentionally design systems instead of cobble together whatever shits laying around or sounds interesting until something resembling a usable outcome occurs sir this is a wendies drive through
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i am going to destroy a cisco 4510 with a car battery tomorrow, im going to smash it to pieces with my coworker in a parking lot and none of you can stop me
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abigserve posted:More like IPv6000 years to implement!! I should mention my provider employs 8 people, and when I called and asked for Tech Support I got their lead network engineer's cellphone and they had zero problems with me re-doing the punchdowns on the patch panel in my unit. It's honestly refreshing when your ISP's customer service strategy is 'game recognize game'.
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Jbz posted:i am going to destroy a cisco 4510 with a car battery tomorrow, im going to smash it to pieces with my coworker in a parking lot and none of you can stop me good
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I did not destroy the switch, instead it was simply Fixed when I returned to work.
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google charging per gke cluster now https://cloud.google.com/kubernetes-engine/pricing gillette boss: these razors are selling like hotcakes, we'd be idiots not to raise the price!
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well more like, idk, harrys
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hate to be a conspiracy dork but i really get the impression that google is trying to kill GCP
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suffix posted:google charging per gke cluster now https://cloud.google.com/kubernetes-engine/pricing lol what are you doing that this matters. $75/cluster/mo is basically nothing in any sane k8s deployment scenario
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psiox posted:hate to be a conspiracy dork but i really get the impression that google is trying to kill GCP well yeah after a few years of a google product existing, googlers stop finding ways to use it to get promoted
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Nomnom Cookie posted:lol we use it primarily to test and develop k8s tooling in a realistic environment, so it's just 3 workers and the extra cost is significant for that
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while the per-hour cost isn't that crazy, i thought that anybody using kubernetes is actually running N^2 kubernetes cluster instances to test that their poo poo won't break every day it feels like it's just the new openstack
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psiox posted:while the per-hour cost isn't that crazy, i thought that anybody using kubernetes is actually running N^2 kubernetes cluster instances to test that their poo poo won't break we’re running 6 clusters, but the EKS fees on 36 clusters would still be less than 5% of our overall spend. still at the “this is not what bankrupts us” level CMYK BLYAT! posted:we use it primarily to test and develop k8s tooling in a realistic environment, so it's just 3 workers and the extra cost is significant for that I’m not sure how you get from “large number of tiny clusters” to “our testing is happening in a realistic environment”. I assume you have a large number of clusters, anyway, because otherwise why gaf
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abigserve posted:More like IPv6000 years to implement!! a bunch of stuff didn't support SLAAC+DHCPv6 PD for ages or required new hardware also on the cisco 9k agg platform doing dual stack halves your qos queue capacity as each protocol uses a queue slot also old network engineers refusing to learn new things
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my stepdads beer posted:a bunch of stuff didn't support SLAAC+DHCPv6 PD for ages or required new hardware also implementing IPv6 provides zero new revenue so it's the lowest possible priority even if it is possible. now that the alternative is CGNAT it sort of has a business case but most ISPs still don't GAF.
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whats a good san I can put cheap consumer ssds in
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a garbage can
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fill a small nas with 'em. I assume for home use, you can get a mini-itx case with like 8 drive slots (at least, there's probably even bigger ones)
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idk why youd want to build a home nas with ssds when 5400 rpm spinners are perfectly cromulent for serving your plex media
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abigserve posted:fill a small nas with 'em. I assume for home use, you can get a mini-itx case with like 8 drive slots (at least, there's probably even bigger ones) just a thought exercise to see how cheap it could be vs a HPE MSA or whatever
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CMYK BLYAT! posted:we use it primarily to test and develop k8s tooling in a realistic environment, so it's just 3 workers and the extra cost is significant for that So per hour charging should be ideal? Test on some garbage VM then when hitting final round of QA spin up a prod instance and shutdown.
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abigserve posted:fill a small nas with 'em. I assume for home use, you can get a mini-itx case with like 8 drive slots (at least, there's probably even bigger ones) With SSDs you can just leave 'em banging around loose inside the case  The absolute cheapest option would be whatever PC you have + a Dell PERC H310 (or some other raid card that has or can be flashed to JBOD mode) + a rat's nest of SSDs
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