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Gonzo McFee posted:Lol Boris never turned up to all the emergency meetings and did gently caress all prep work even when told it'd kill half a million people.
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Failed Imagineer posted:I watched some of the dudes on Gogglebox almost in tears that brave Boris had turned the corner, and how he really appreciates the NHS now. I (a sophisticated politics understander) just ruefully chuckled. It would be wild to be able to live your life with the brain of a child in the body of an adult Ignorance, as they say, is loving bliss. I've said before I got into a heated row with a guy at work who thought Johnson and the government were doing a greeat job at handling the pandemic, even in the early weeks when it was clear to anyone with a functioning brain, or the remotest kind of awareness that they'd massively hosed up. And this is before the lock-down or Johnson catching it. And I'll bet, even after this pandemic, or at least, the first wave of lockdown (assuming we're going to have waves of this) when non-essential workers are back at work, he and others like him will still loving praise the government and their absolute piss poor handling of it, no matter how high the body count, and even if he loses members of his family to it.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Yeah but could you Imagine if Jeremy Corbyn was in charge? He'd be calling the virus his friend!!! 😂😂😂 Had this exact line from the in laws who are otherwise lovely people. Beggars belief.
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The Question IRL posted:This is a good thread about how the Government mismanaged the ventilator situation. Well that’s new; I’ve never seen an FT editor publically go ham on a sitting government like this before. Dude is ANGRY.
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https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1251608363080855552?s=19 "David Davis and Iain Duncan Smith have teamed up with Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer and City Bosses..." The Labour Party is back baby. It's poo poo again. Awoouu (wolf Howl)
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josh04 posted:Owen Jones has extensive screencaps: Cliches become cliches because they keep being used. They keep being used because there's truth there. Have you seen in many movies and cartoons and books that the government and companies and such is/are always ill-prepared, complacent, doesn't care, doesn't want to care, always has other concern than the 'blatantly obvious one'? That line about 'This stuff belongs in post-apocalytic movies'...I think many expect them to be useless on the majority of things. I don't know if 'internalised' is the word? People have been saying it for years, and keep repeating it and expecting it. There'll probably be a lot of 'it made sense at the time' and people will accept that. Another cliche: 'You'd be amazed what you can get people to accept'. I read it. And you're right that one should be angry. And yet(Probably the depression) I'm not. I'm not even surprised. Bloodly fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Apr 19, 2020 |
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Bloodly posted:Cliches become cliches because they keep being used. They keep being used because there's truth there. Have you seen in many movies and cartoons and books that the government and companies and such is/are always ill-prepared, complacent, doesn't care, doesn't want to care, always has other concern than the 'blatantly obvious one'? Yeah, it's been salutary seeing just how many governments get abundant forewarning of a direct and certain threat and just go "lol idc".
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Ms Adequate posted:Yeah, it's been salutary seeing just how many governments get abundant forewarning of a direct and certain threat and just go "lol idc". https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1251680053827563521?s=19 When the idc stops working you can also just blame china in an increasingly hosed up and paranoid way
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I get paid £87 this month. Been self employed since last April so no hope of pay cover from gov, unlikely to get UC because I've lived abroad recently Basically, I'm miserable, poor and want UBI now please.
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I hope there are riots or at least protests against this government, they have blood on their hands but at this point I'm not sure anything will ever happen
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namesake posted:Please be extremely cautious about leaping into home working with both feet at the business level without thinking it through. What in practice are you doing? You're removing significant office space costs from the business and putting them on the individual - not everyone will be able to simply have a spare room to use as an office and the merging of space between home and employment can be difficult for some people psychologically (not to mention those who live in abusive situations). Remote monitoring of people will be pushed either through access to their computer network at all times or keylogging/motion tracking around the home office area might all become standard policy which is literally letting your bosses spy on you at home. Sick leave will also be harder to justify as people don't need to travel very far and won't risk infecting others so there'll be increased pressure from management to not take sick days and there will be increased pressure to work irregular hours because why not have more evening meetings if everyone can dial in? You're also reducing the social connections between you and your coworkers - can you only communicate to each other through work platforms? That'll make it impossible to have informal discussions about work conditions and organising meaning any labour organising is almost impossible. Yeah agreed. I’m a union rep in a large-ish (c. 2,000 headcount) public sector body. We were in the fortunate position that we’d invested heavily in infrastructure and culture for agile working over the last few years- for office-based staff, 70% ish, there hasn’t been an infrastructure barrier. Reps have been delegated the authority from our senior execs to bollock any manager who attempts to extract more work from their team members who can’t work their normal hours due to childcare etc. Our chief exec has been doing vlogs talking about how physically and emotionally difficult it’s been for her trying to do her job from her kitchen table with her family around. It may not last forever, but there’s been a massive humanization of many people because their professional personas have been eroded. We’re seeing more mental health support groups appearing on internal social media, and directors are talking like humans about shared joys with young folk on the living wage. It’s really quite heartening. This has all been possible because we spent about six years fighting to get the culture broadly right before the poo poo hit the fan, and absolutely rejected things like routine online surveillance of staff.
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Ash Crimson posted:I hope there are riots or at least protests against this government, they have blood on their hands but at this point I'm not sure anything will ever happen There will be fetes, parties and fundraisers to celebrate their brave efforts in these difficult times.
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justcola posted:Which industry were you working in (and where?) - there's a few hardship funds going around right now depending on your sector. Thanks friend I'm okay for now, I've got some savings that can take a pounding for a bit. Just moaning as all my plans and dreams evaporate. Those links should be in the OP though.
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Ratjaculation posted:Thanks friend Right there with you, friend. It sucks.
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For all that the Tories should never be in charge, Corbyn as PM during the triple-tap of Covid, the worst global recession in 150 years and Brexit would probably have scuppered the project. The crises would have been handled infinitely better but the media wouldn’t allow that to be widely held.
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If corbyn had been in charge we'd probably have UBI and landlords in the gulag by now and everyone would be so much better off that they wouldn't give a poo poo about the press.
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Really cool how Labour seems totally toothless when being served juicy government failings on a platter.
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There's going to come a point where this is all over and i beg people to turn their pent up frustration against this tory government, why did they allow cheltenham? Why didn't they institute a lockdown earlier? Preventing the virus from coming over here was impossible sure, but if they instituted lockdown earlier we might have bought ourselves more time to prepare, but they put money over the lives of people
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I can't imagine why anyone would expect the director of public prosecutions for three years under the coalition to be willing to criticise the government.
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Melissa McCarthyism posted:Really cool how Labour seems totally toothless when being served juicy government failings on a platter. Starmer has a real weak point in that he's horribly over-cautious. He doesn't want to risk a full-throated attack on the government's handling of the virus in case he gets accused of being unpatriotic etc. Problem is, if you want to win at politics you have to take risks sometimes. My worry with Starmer is that Labour's going to miss all sorts of opportunities due to his unwillingness to commit.
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Melissa McCarthyism posted:Really cool how Labour seems totally toothless when being served juicy government failings on a platter. they're just being Sensible Ash Crimson posted:There's going to come a point where this is all over and i beg people to turn their pent up frustration against this tory government, why did they allow cheltenham? Why didn't they institute a lockdown earlier? Preventing the virus from coming over here was impossible sure, but if they instituted lockdown earlier we might have bought ourselves more time to prepare, but they put money over the lives of people I want literal blood, my pent up frustration isn't going anywhere EDIT with apologies to sassassin
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"Riots" seems a bit much, all those protests are very tiny. You'll find 20 people willing to protest against just about anything. I realize all protests in the US are small by comparison, but even then, it's a very select handful of people.
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Lambert posted:"Riots" seems a bit much, all those protests are very tiny. You'll find 20 people willing to protest against just about anything. If 20 people with assault rifles were on the steps of the mayor's office and they happened to all be black and protesting about something far less stupid, like the police not executing black people, I guarantee you it'd be a "riot"
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Barry Foster posted:they're just being Sensible If you don't want literal blood then you should apologise to everyone.
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Bloodly posted:Cliches become cliches because they keep being used. They keep being used because there's truth there. Have you seen in many movies and cartoons and books that the government and companies and such is/are always ill-prepared, complacent, doesn't care, doesn't want to care, always has other concern than the 'blatantly obvious one'? This is our Chernobyl. Its scale is such that it's easier psychologically for people to categorise it as a natural disaster than to recognise it as a result of choices by individuals, because those individuals would be guilty of a hideous crime. It was politically expedient at the time to ignore the results of exercise cygnus, to bleed dry the NHS and local authorities, to cut strategic stockpiles of equipment, to prioritise the economy over wellbeing, to doubt the epidemiologists, to postpone preparations, to austeritise our society, to annihilate community cohesion and to consolidate decision making in one person in Downing Street. You can ask people who elected those politicians what they think of that and the answer will be "Yeah...can we call it the China virus?"
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