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Plot ramifications notwithstanding, it is an extremely Final Fantasy move to make the final boss "Fate" or "Destiny" itself. Whether or not that belongs in the early goings of a remake is up for debate, but it's very within the spirit of the series, and I felt they did a great job capturing everything about FF VII in this remake.
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BillyC posted:If the plot ghosts and Destiny never show up again then yes Well yes, that's more or less a given, if they come back then it's hard to see how that would be satisfying, sensible, or enjoyable.
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Apr 19, 2020 18:11
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Ms Adequate posted:Well yes, that's more or less a given, if they come back then it's hard to see how that would be satisfying, sensible, or enjoyable. I think they have to at least explain the Rubrum, Viridi, Crinono flavour text thing somehow.
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Apr 19, 2020 18:13
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Ms Adequate posted:Well yes, that's more or less a given, if they come back then it's hard to see how that would be satisfying, sensible, or enjoyable. I hope your right. They did such a good job with this that I am excited for the next installment, a little less so if its more alternate universe than just remake, but still game for it. It was just that one plot point I didn't like tbh.
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Apr 19, 2020 18:17
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Proteus Jones posted:Don't get me wrong, I love OG FFVII, but I'm actually more excited by this game now that it's apparent that future installments can veer off into whatever. Same. I want more FF7, so new plot developments and details are exactly what I'm looking for. BillyC posted:I kinda did yea. If they're gone for good, then fine. They're dead as gently caress. Zombie goasts leave this place.
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Apr 19, 2020 18:21
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man nurse posted:Plot ramifications notwithstanding, it is an extremely Final Fantasy move to make the final boss "Fate" or "Destiny" itself. It definitely wouldn't have been out of place at or near the end of a world-spanning journey, but it feels like too much too soon when you're looking ahead to the rest of story. At least the spectacle of the final battle is like that because how do you follow it up? Knowing that you killed the giant embodiment of fate AND beat up Sephiroth (regardless of how "real" he was) kinda takes the tension out of fighting the Turks or any other boss now.
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Apr 19, 2020 18:25
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Pollyanna posted:
But this is our house. 
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Apr 19, 2020 18:27
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Shoren posted:It definitely wouldn't have been out of place at or near the end of a world-spanning journey, but it feels like too much too soon when you're looking ahead to the rest of story. At least the spectacle of the final battle is like that because how do you follow it up? Knowing that you killed the giant embodiment of fate AND beat up Sephiroth (regardless of how "real" he was) kinda takes the tension out of fighting the Turks or any other boss now. Ending the game on Motor Ball would've been kinda lame.
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Apr 19, 2020 18:30
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If we get new FFVII story like the Remake's Wallmarket that would be great. If we get new FFVII content like Crisis Core or Advent Children that would suck.
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Apr 19, 2020 18:31
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Destiny and the Fate Ghosts is my lounge act.
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Apr 19, 2020 18:33
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The Puppy Bowl posted:If we get new FFVII story like the Remake's Wallmarket that would be great. If we get new FFVII content like Crisis Core or Advent Children that would suck. Well yeah pretty much this. They need to go all in with the camp maybe tuck it in a bit on the angst,
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Apr 19, 2020 18:34
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Pollyanna posted:Ending the game on Motor Ball would've been kinda lame. They could have easily just moved the Jenova fight to where the final point of no return is and end on that, I would have been more than hapy with Jenova Dreamweaver as a final boss.
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Apr 19, 2020 18:37
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The Puppy Bowl posted:If we get new FFVII story like the Remake's Wallmarket that would be great. If we get new FFVII content like Crisis Core or Advent Children that would suck. Yea this right here, although I did like CC's ending in all fairness 
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Apr 19, 2020 18:39
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Pollyanna posted:Ending the game on Motor Ball would've been kinda lame. They should have had Roche show up and be the end boss 
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Apr 19, 2020 18:44
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Rude would simply pick a ghost up by its heels and throw it at another ghost
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Apr 19, 2020 18:45
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I'm trying hard mode and I don't think this was tested at all. The loving dog in chapter 3 one shots tifa with throat chomp, goes super sayian and one shots cloud next and it's like wow thanks for playing this is stupid as gently caress.
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Apr 19, 2020 18:51
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At what point was the 'don't fall in love with me' scene between Cloud and Aerith occur and what replaced it? Wanted to know what chapters I need to replay to get that result.
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Apr 19, 2020 18:53
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anakha posted:At what point was the 'don't fall in love with me' scene between Cloud and Aerith occur and what replaced it? Wanted to know what chapters I need to replay to get that result. it's one of the chapter 14 ends I think, but it depends on your choices from earlier chapters
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Apr 19, 2020 18:55
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Ms Adequate posted:They should have had Roche show up and be the end boss I finally assessed Roche on my hard mode run today and turns out he's only Third Class? That's the same as the mooks you take out in the Shinra building. Although his description says that most people don't like him because of his rampant disregard for the safety of others so maybe his rank is a result of politics moreso than ability?
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Apr 19, 2020 18:56
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:I'm trying hard mode and I don't think this was tested at all. The loving dog in chapter 3 one shots tifa with throat chomp, goes super sayian and one shots cloud next and it's like wow thanks for playing this is stupid as gently caress. its really good, the game wants you to actually look at your materia loadout and build appropriately for what you're fighting. remember that losses arent punishing at all, so if you forgot whats coming up just reload before the fight and think it over
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Apr 19, 2020 19:01
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I do think it's funny that they blew their wad and were like "Well, Sephiroth has to be the final boss, right?" The game could've easily ended after the fight with Destiny. Or like others are saying, maybe Jenova or Roche. I think more than anything, that's the biggest disservice to the plot going forward. I feel like building Sephiroth up would've been a better move. Now it's like, well, I already beat a projection of him. How much worse can the real thing be? It's like setting the future up for anticlimax. man nurse fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Apr 19, 2020 |
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Apr 19, 2020 19:03
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man nurse posted:I do think it's funny that they blew their wad and were like "Well, Sephiroth has to be the final boss, right?" I distinctly recall Sephiroth beating Cloud at the end there, so I don't think they really won. And if they did, it was against a fraction of himself.
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Apr 19, 2020 19:09
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it makes sense to me that they wanted to get a good sephiroth fight in, there is always the possibility that the remake project won't/can't be finished for whatever reason and fighting sephiroth is really high up on the list of things they and fans want to see remade.
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Apr 19, 2020 19:09
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Veib posted:The weirdest thing to me on this soundtrack is Flying High, the song that plays when you parachute down to the slums in Chapter 4 Quoting an old post to say Do you not remember biggs saying “I can take out another... PLATOON”   Everything about Avalanche is extremely 90s
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Apr 19, 2020 19:10
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Pollyanna posted:I distinctly recall Sephiroth beating Cloud at the end there, so I don't think they really won. And if they did, it was against a fraction of himself. I admit to being a few beers deep when I got to that fight so I don’t remember how it ended too well. Still, if they’re committed to finishing this project, I would have rather they saved a sephiroth fight for later on.
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Apr 19, 2020 19:12
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anakha posted:At what point was the 'don't fall in love with me' scene between Cloud and Aerith occur and what replaced it? Wanted to know what chapters I need to replay to get that result. morallyobjected posted:it's one of the chapter 14 ends I think, but it depends on your choices from earlier chapters It's right at the beginning of Chapter 14 when you spend the night at Aerith's house. You go outside at night and talk to either Aerith, Tifa, or Barret. In this case "Chapter 14 resolution" means "the resolution of earlier events that happens in chapter 14", not "the resolution of chapter 14". AFAIK it depends on dialogue choices in chapters 2 (flower), 3 (drink at the bar), and 9 (Chocobo Sam, hotel), sidequests in chapters 3, 8 and maybe 9, and who you talk first before Abzu in chapter 10. I think the choice between the girls can be made with just the dialogue choices and Abzu fight, but for Barret you can't do the sidequests in those chapters because they give points towards the girls. You have to talk to one of them in chapter 10, pick Tifa if going for Barret because Aerith has more points by default, just like in the original.
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It wasn't really surprising to me, all the Cloud hallucinations interdispersed throughout the game were moving toward a Seph showdown and his fight will look like a walk in the park compared to Mecha-Giga-Safer Seph in Remake Pt. III.
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yeah theres a lot of room to build up sephiroth still to make his later fight(s) interesting and different
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Yeah, we definitely didn't actually beat Sephiroth at the end. We had a skirmish and he basically let us get away. That said they did sorta blow the full One-Winged Angel theme maybe too early but beyond that there's a lot of room for more climactic Sephiroth fights in the future. Ms Adequate posted:They should have had Roche show up and be the end boss I wish Roche could've seen Cloud's motorcycle stunts at the end. He would've been so proud! Harrow fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Apr 19, 2020 |
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As incredible as the 16 minute remix of motorcycle song was, it was absolute bullshit roche did not show up again. I grew to love him so quickly Also is everyone complaining they blew the sephiroth fight forgetting that in the original FF7 he is a screen spanning super boss that takes multiple parties to defeat and then his next form was an angel with like 8 wings
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Apr 19, 2020 19:36
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I liked most of the new characters but hated Johnny and I hope he dies off screen and is never brought up again Everything about him was just painfully unfunny honestly. I liked everyone else but man whenever he forced himself into the plot I just wanted him to leave.
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Apr 19, 2020 19:40
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Finished the game just now, and here are my thoughts:
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Apr 19, 2020 19:43
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:I liked most of the new characters but hated Johnny and I hope he dies off screen and is never brought up again Johnny isn't actually new 
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:As incredible as the 16 minute remix of motorcycle song was, it was absolute bullshit roche did not show up again. I grew to love him so quickly Uh Sephiroth only has one wing. It's even in the song title, duh. But seriously, I find it silly that the title "One-Winged Angel" became so popular that practically every appearance of Sephiroth in other media has him bearing one wing in his human form despite never appearing like that in the actual game itself. Same thing with the black feathers that Cloud sees in the Remake because the wing wasn't a thing before Cloud dumped his rear end into the lifestream.
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I wish there was more Roche in this game too but I'll also settle for a spin off about Roche's adventures as a traffic SOLDIER.CottonWolf posted:I think they have to at least explain the Rubrum, Viridi, Crinono flavour text thing somehow. But also gonna understand if they just continue with bonkers poo poo from here on out without any more whispers especially with some of the poking fun everyone is doing at the dementors.
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Apr 19, 2020 19:47
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Shoren posted:Uh Sephiroth only has one wing. It's even in the song title, duh. you should see where they go with it in Crisis Core because hoo boy
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Mechafunkzilla posted:you should see where they go with it in Crisis Core because hoo boy Never played CC but knowing Square I can imagine how it is. I've made peace with it just being something they thought looked cool so it became synonymous with his character even if there was no narrative reasoning for it.
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Shoren posted:Never played CC but knowing Square I can imagine how it is. I've made peace with it just being something they thought looked cool so it became synonymous with his character even if there was no narrative reasoning for it. lemme tell ya about my dudes Angeal and Genesis  
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Proteus Jones posted:Don't get me wrong, I love OG FFVII, but I'm actually more excited by this game now that it's apparent that future installments can veer off into whatever. Count me in for Nomura's wild ride. It's fun not knowing what's next.
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Ms Adequate posted:Johnny isn't actually new Well shows me I still don't like him and his brand of wacky humor though.
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