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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Hey, it worked so well in 2016 that it looks like we're running it again! "No seriously, get a load of that guy!"
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Also with a bit of Stockholm Syndrome: putting a literal gun to the heads of huge swathes of the country and going "hey that's a really nice minority population you have there...be a shame if something happened to them."
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Apr 15, 2020 04:22
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If anyone needs a bit more John in their lives (and who doesn't), he was on Seth Meyers' show the other night and there's a bunch of clips floating around on YouTube. It's basically just them shooting the poo poo for 15 minutes because it's not like they have much else to do! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuzEd1EbT88
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Apr 15, 2020 05:08
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swickles posted:The same thing happened to Stewart and The Daily Show. They never sought to do real investigative journalism, only make fun of the news and make jokes about the dumb stuff in it. Because this was all construed as being honest, Stewart eventually became the most trusted man in news, despite never actually aiming for that goal. Oliver's stuff is a little more serious and they do a good job of in depth reporting, but they aren't a news gathering organization (i.e. no reporters or presence at major press conferences). They are more like a 20/20 with dick jokes. They are a news magazine that focuses on important, and in non-emergency times, often uncovered topics. Despite that, or maybe because of the fact that they take time to deliberate and source and fact check, they are seen as a more vital and trustworthy source than other news outlets. I didn't value TDS as a news show half as much as I did as a meta commentary on the sad state of the media in this country at the time
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Apr 15, 2020 06:58
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The Cheshire Cat posted:"No seriously, get a load of that guy!" I feel like: "No, seriously, look at this loving moron" is going to be a much more effective argument after his incompetence has killed tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans, and we've seen how he actually behaves as President. When Hillary was running, one could reasonably say "oh, it's just bluster, it's just a show, he's not serious," but now we know it was 100% serious and he's a dangerous imbecile.
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Apr 15, 2020 16:28
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PT6A posted:I feel like: "No, seriously, look at this loving moron" is going to be a much more effective argument after his incompetence has killed tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans, and we've seen how he actually behaves as President. The few Trump supporters I have to interact with are still of the "Thank god we had Trump to help us through this crisis" opinion. It truly is a death cult, don't expect them to suddenly change.
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Apr 15, 2020 16:46
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There's definitely a pool of people who were like "Look, he'll rise to the position" or "he'll sober up when he realizes what he's got into" and "he'll listen to smart people" or "how bad could it be" who are now shell shocked at what its actually been. I don't know how large that group is. I think its unlikely there's a lot of people who voted for Trump who will flip their votes, but I do think there's a lot of room for that to have affect in those who sat out in 2016.
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Apr 15, 2020 16:58
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Only way Trump loses is a mixture of actually getting people that stayed home in 16 to actually care about voting this year and getting Corona firmly in the rear view by October. Otherwise we'll see a suspicious uptick in virus reporting in states with red governers necessitating stay at home orders for urban areas.
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Apr 15, 2020 19:59
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Milo and POTUS posted:I didn't value TDS as a news show half as much as I did as a meta commentary on the sad state of the media in this country at the time Yeah honestly the fact that it ended up as the most trusted source of news for so many people should really have been seen much less as a sign of how good the journalism TDS was doing was and more how bad the journalism was in the entire rest of the media. It really hasn't gotten any better, either.
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Apr 15, 2020 23:06
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pwn posted:Anyone but Bernie was going to lose. Everything is hosed. I feel you, but at least you folks have one last chance in November to avoid the absolute worst case scenario and mitigate the damage the failure in 2016 bestowed upon the least-fortunate in the US and the rest of the world.
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Apr 16, 2020 20:03
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I think Biden's reliance on a strategy of "plz can we just all get along and be nice within respectable politics and not rock the boat" is generally a bad one, but it can win within the circumstances of there being some kind of terrible, terrible, horrifying alternative that has thoroughly proven to be a worse option than anything else. Maybe if the Biden camp isn't entirely braindead, they'll try throwing a bone to the left with a VP pick instead of just encouraging them to feel attacked and abandoned and dismissing half their potential base right there. In theory if progressives keep pushing hard enough, they can still get more influence in the senate and house, even in total opposition to the establishment democrats manifestly trying to commit suicide.
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Apr 19, 2020 23:34
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I don't know much about American politics, but is there a reason he wouldn't just ask Biden to be his VP, so he can pick up most of Bernie's supporters and at least claim to be considerate of them even if he has no intention of letting Bernie do much while Bernie can try and influence him if he accepts? A reason beyond lack of desire, I guess. Since it seems like the best way to unite both sides and ensure they have the maximum chances going in to the presidential race.
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Apr 19, 2020 23:48
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Beyond their politics not matching and DNC poo poo, Biden is a billion years old and needs to pick a VP who is not also a billion years old.
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Apr 19, 2020 23:55
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There's also the whole thing where taking Bernie as VP would take him out of the Senate to a more do-nothing position, which was how Theodore Roosevelt got shoved into the position, because they wanted him to stop raising trouble. It seems like a no-brainer to find some younger progressive, since VP picks are always meant to counterbalance the candidate and broaden appeal. Hillary Clinton went with a charismatic man from the south, Trump chose the stiffest guy he could find out of the christian right that wouldn't immediately reject him, Obama chose an uncharismatic white conservative old-guard democrat. You pick somebody to balance things out and satisfy the wing of the party that you hosed over.
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Apr 20, 2020 00:07
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Grand Fromage posted:Beyond their politics not matching and DNC poo poo, Biden is a billion years old and needs to pick a VP who is not also a billion years old. he should make Obama his VP then immediately resign on Jan 21
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Apr 20, 2020 00:14
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Joking aside, you have to be eligible to be president to be the VP. The longest anyone can serve right now is 10 years, and that's only if you're the VP, the president dies with less than 2 years to go in their term, and you win re-election twice.
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Apr 20, 2020 01:14
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Biden has said he will pick a woman as his running mate, and he will almost certainly pick someone who is a traditional Democrat. If he wants to appeal to the left, he could try picking Warren, but it's more likely he goes for someone like Harris or Klobuchar.
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Apr 20, 2020 03:17
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If he picks Harris we're in for 10 years of "leftists hate black people" from the rapidly disintegrating center when Biden loses horribly. They've already been trying to paint older black people preferring Biden over Sanders as some kind of indictment of the entire left when it comes to racial issues.
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rujasu posted:Biden has said he will pick a woman as his running mate, and he will almost certainly pick someone who is a traditional Democrat. If he wants to appeal to the left, he could try picking Warren, but it's more likely he goes for someone like Harris or Klobuchar.
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Apr 20, 2020 04:10
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Joking aside, you have to be eligible to be president to be the VP. The longest anyone can serve right now is 10 years, and that's only if you're the VP, the president dies with less than 2 years to go in their term, and you win re-election twice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWihXElw_zg LegalEagle did a whole thing on it, there's nothing that technically prevents you from being VP as a former President in the Constitution, but the shitshow of lawsuits to clear out that technicality would be pretty exciting.
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Apr 20, 2020 05:19
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John using his vast resources for inane bullshit continues to be the best thing about this show.
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Apr 20, 2020 05:30
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It's one of those situations where there's all sorts of laws and rules, but they all require somebody to move to enforce them, and it's not entirely clear whose duty that would be. If somebody just decides to entirely ignore the laws and rules, it takes effort to bring them back into line. It's not like anyone arrested Ted Cruise for illegally seeking the nomination for which he was not eligible. I think generally when something like that happens though, it's not somebody running illegally for office, but somebody in office illegally extending their term.
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Apr 20, 2020 05:33
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I feel cheated. Dr. Oz made the title card, but not a single mention in an episode about the spreading of misinformation regarding Covid? Who, what, when, where, why, and how, in the actual gently caress, did The Blunderful Whiz-ard of Oz not make this episode??
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Apr 20, 2020 05:36
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SlothfulCobra posted:It's one of those situations where there's all sorts of laws and rules, but they all require somebody to move to enforce them, and it's not entirely clear whose duty that would be. If somebody just decides to entirely ignore the laws and rules, it takes effort to bring them back into line. It's not like anyone arrested Ted Cruise for illegally seeking the nomination for which he was not eligible. Which hey, we might be getting a test case of in the next 4 years. So that'll be fun.
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Apr 20, 2020 07:33
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Another note on tonight, John is starting as acclimate to this different format. He's doing far fewer of those pauses for non-existent applause.
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John's fine in this format. Unlike Trevor Noah, who has gone from tolerable to horribly grating
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I know why he's doing it but I can't keep watching all these FN clips.precision posted:John's fine in this format. Unlike Trevor Noah, who has gone from tolerable to horribly grating Noah is much better now actually. He's still not great but he's better.
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Apr 20, 2020 10:21
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Literally every topical weekly comedy show is better without an audience now that they've had a chance to adjust to it. It's going to be a real disappointment when they switch back.
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Apr 20, 2020 11:23
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It makes me sound like a stupid rear end in a top hat but I miss hearing everyone laugh at the jokes. I think I get some kind of satisfaction from knowing other people are also cracking up at whatever I'm laughing at.
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I'm fine with audiences, I'm mostly enjoying the general chaos that reminds me a lot of these shows during the writer's strike.
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Phenotype posted:It makes me sound like a stupid rear end in a top hat but I miss hearing everyone laugh at the jokes. I think I get some kind of satisfaction from knowing other people are also cracking up at whatever I'm laughing at. If that makes you sound like a stupid rear end in a top hat, then you're in good company. I also miss the audience. This kind of comedy doesn't work as well for me without some basic audience interaction. I like having the little breaks for laughter; it gives the delivery a cadence and some breathing room. Watching the show without laughter is like watching a stand up comedy special with no audience: the jokes are there, but something is conspicuously missing. I will say, though, that since John has had a few weeks to adjust, mainly by omitting the pauses for laughter that were practically reflex by this point, that the lack of an audience is less noticeable. My only complaint about this last episode is, again, the inexcusable lack of Dr. Oz ridicule. I was ready for it because of the opening credits, and then... nothing.
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Apr 21, 2020 02:58
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SlothfulCobra posted:It's one of those situations where there's all sorts of laws and rules, but they all require somebody to move to enforce them, and it's not entirely clear whose duty that would be. If somebody just decides to entirely ignore the laws and rules, it takes effort to bring them back into line. It's not like anyone arrested Ted Cruise for illegally seeking the nomination for which he was not eligible. This doesn't really matter because lol at the idea of a plurality of Americans ever pulling a lever for Ted Cruz, but he very much was eligible to be President by virtue of being born to an American citizen. It's also a provision we really ought to remove.
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Apr 21, 2020 03:37
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Fox lied, people died.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Fox lied, people died. Hi from twenty years ago.
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Apr 21, 2020 06:35
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Nah, 20 years ago it was the president's administration forging the lies for their own nefarious purposes and Fox just backing them up, as opposed to now Fox just takes the initiative in making up poo poo for which they have no particular plan about because they're not in any real position of authority that the administration backs up because the world is insane. The right wing propaganda machine was not meant to be believed on the top level.
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SlothfulCobra posted:The right wing propaganda machine was not meant to be believed on the top level. This is pretty much why before, it was ridiculous and worthy of nothing but scorn; but now, we all have to pay attention to it, because it is informing Glorious Leader's actions. And the scary thing about paying attention to it is that the longer you stare into the abyss, the longer Ed Harris stares into you.
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Good article from a few years back about that very phenomenon: The Long, Lucrative Right-wing Grift Is Blowing Up in the World's Face quote:For years, the conservative movement peddled one set of talking points to the rabble, while its elites consumed a more grounded and reality-based media. The rubes listened to talk radio, read right-wing blogs, watched Fox News. They were fed apocalyptic paranoia about threats to their liberty, racial hysteria about the generalized menace posed by various groups of brown people, and hysterical lies about the criminal misdeeds of various Democratic politicians. The people in charge, meanwhile, read The Wall Street Journal and The Weekly Standard, and they tended to have a better grasp of political reality, as when those sources deceived their readers, it was mostly unintentionally, with comforting fantasies about the efficacy of conservative policies. From the Reagan era through the Bush administration, the system seemed to be performing as designed. https://splinternews.com/the-long-lucrative-right-wing-grift-is-blowing-up-in-t-1793944216
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Yeah this is why I'm concerned about the increasing number of prominent young conservative pundits and their following (like your Ben Shapiro types). The thing about the guys talking about trickle down economics in the 80s - they all knew it was bullshit. It was the lie that got them the thing they wanted, which was more money. They were lovely people but they would also know not to push the grift to the point of like, starting a nuclear war or something. The new generation of conservatives never got that memo. They were raised in an environment where all the grift was presented to them as just the basic truth as how the world works, and trained to ignore any evidence to the contrary. They will just keep doubling down because they are not in on the scam. They are true believers.
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Apr 21, 2020 23:13
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