April Current Events: "I just dont trust anything the white house says"

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Flying_Crab: Apr 12, 2002

Duzzy Funlop posted:

Get outta here with them rookie numbers

I pay 5.03 USD per gallon

Yeah but your fuel is appropriately taxed; here we just give away cheap gasoline and road infrastructure while letting everyone else except the users pay for it, including us not accounting for the social & environmental costs of vehicle emissions and congestion.

# ? Apr 20, 2020 15:06

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# ? Jun 7, 2024 10:03

joat mon: Oct 15, 2009; I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

Acebuckeye13 posted:

Yeah Chiche is disingenuous as all hell and I'm pretty sure 75-80% of his posts are actually trolling, and that includes his posts in TFF.

Your analysis of current events is spot-on, as usual.

For a subforum that so prides itself on being wokely anti- :decorum:

, chiche is McConnelling the poo poo out of us.

# ? Apr 20, 2020 15:08

Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

Media loves manufacturing controversy:

https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD/status/1252066627601993729

# ? Apr 20, 2020 15:15

Handsome Ralph: Sep 3, 2004; Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!

Woofer posted:

A post that shouldn�t be made but I think is good commentary on reality:

There was a mass shooting this weekend?

Doesn't count, it was in Canada! No it absolutely counts

My wife upon seeing it

"Isn't that where you want us to move to eventually?"
"Yeah..."
"So it happens there too then?"
"Not as much as it does here :smith:

# ? Apr 20, 2020 15:29

My Spirit Otter: Jun 15, 2006; CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

It was starting to happen more in Toronto, I wonder how itll be after this whole social isolation thing.

# ? Apr 20, 2020 15:38

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Handsome Ralph posted:

Doesn't count, it was in Canada! No it absolutely counts

My wife upon seeing it

"Isn't that where you want us to move to eventually?"
"Yeah..."
"So it happens there too then?"
"Not as much as it does here "

A guy in new Brunswick or nova Scotia was the person who shot some RCMP a few years ago

# ? Apr 20, 2020 15:40

Handsome Ralph: Sep 3, 2004; Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!

Hot Karl Marx posted:

A guy in new Brunswick or nova Scotia was the person who shot some RCMP a few years ago

Oh yeah I forgot about that guy.

I mean the way I've described Canada to her is that it's basically America Lite. Her best friend is from Toronto, and yet she's never stepped foot in the country. We were gonna go up in a couple of months for vacation but welp to that.

Was really looking forward to going to Banff and Halifax this year.

# ? Apr 20, 2020 15:49

Internet Wizard: Aug 9, 2009; BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES

Handsome Ralph posted:

Doesn't count, it was in Canada! No it absolutely counts

My wife upon seeing it

"Isn't that where you want us to move to eventually?"
"Yeah..."
"So it happens there too then?"
"Not as much as it does here "

Anywhere with mediocre white men is going to be subject to mass shooting terror attacks. It's their favorite kind of terror attack.

# ? Apr 20, 2020 16:09

facialimpediment: Feb 11, 2005; as the world turns

Stultus Maximus posted:

Media loves manufacturing controversy:

The astroturfers, Trump campaign, and general idiots are all trying to make fetch happen. The media is there to provide the camera as it's a really good story to see if said fetch happens, or if the general idiots catch COVID in a few weeks.

Also because all of the local diners are closed and the mediafolks don't know where to go to figure out what MAGA America (which they always think is middle America) thinks anymore.

# ? Apr 20, 2020 16:14

My Spirit Otter: Jun 15, 2006; CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

Handsome Ralph posted:

Halifax

KING OF DONAIR

# ? Apr 20, 2020 16:14

Proud Christian Mom: Dec 20, 2006; READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

SCOTUS rules that the Sixth Amendment requires unanimous verdicts, and that this applies to the states via the Fourteenth. Oregon last and only state to allow non-unanimous verdicts. Now, here's the kicker, an effective 5-3-1 ruling and not how you think.

Gorusch,, Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor and Kavanaugh for. Alito, Roberts and Kagan dissenting in varying degrees. Thomas concurring with the majority but believes the Sixth "applies against the States through the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, not the Due Process Clause"

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/18-5924_n6io.pdf

# ? Apr 20, 2020 16:41

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

An article from the WSJ about how cardiac and stroke patients aren't going to the hospital due to Covid.

WSJ posted:

The Hidden Toll of Untreated Illnesses
As Covid-19 overwhelms doctors and hospitals, patients with other conditions receive less care, leading to a rise in mortality.

EMTs at Brookdale Hospital Medical Center in Brooklyn, April 1.
PHOTO: ANDREW KELLY/REUTERS
By Sandeep Jauhar
April 17, 2020 8:59 am ET
Most weeks at my hospital near New York City we see about 40 acute or near-acute heart attacks. For the past few weeks, we�ve seen an average of five, a 90% drop. We�re hardly alone. At Detroit Medical Center, the number of heart attacks being treated has dwindled from 15 to 20 a week to one or two. Hospitals in Atlanta and Boston have seen similar drops. The decline is also being observed abroad. In Milan, for example, the number of heart attack cases is down by 70%. In Madrid, the dip may be closer to 80%.

The downturn seems to be true for a range of medical conditions besides heart attacks. Case volumes have plummeted for appendicitis, gallbladder infections and obstetric emergencies, to name just a few conditions that reliably appear in emergency rooms in non-pandemic times. �Eerie and worrisome� is how a hospital physician on the West Coast described it. People aren�t coming in for strokes, either. �We�re seeing less than half the number we normally see,� a neurologist told me last week.

What is happening? Is the coronavirus pandemic somehow stabilizing health across a range of medical conditions? Given what we know about the virus, that doesn�t seem plausible. Is society�s response to the pandemic, such as social distancing, reducing exposure to pollution or to other germs that can exacerbate chronic conditions? Such a hypothesis might explain some of the reduction in cardiovascular cases, but the sudden and simultaneous disappearance of so many hospitalizable conditions suggests that a social or behavioral factor is at play.

Could it be that patients with medical emergencies are staying away from hospitals out of fear of viral transmission? On Twitter, doctors have written of patients with urinary retention, severe abdominal pain and incipient foot gangrene refusing advice to be hospitalized. Others have told of patients with cardiac arrhythmias and chest pains toughing it out at home. This isn�t the first time patients with acute conditions have avoided the hospital in an infectious outbreak. In West Africa during the 2014 Ebola epidemic, outpatient visits decreased by 90% as people avoided hospitals out of fear of contracting that virus. If something similar is happening today, the health consequences will far outlast this pandemic.

Those consequences may already be unfolding. In hard-hit regions in Italy, the death rate is currently six times higher than in comparable earlier periods. A study published in the Italian newspaper Corriere Della Sera recently looked at the spike in deaths in Nembro, a town in Lombardy severely affected by the coronavirus. The report suggests that deaths directly attributable to the coronavirus may account for only about a quarter of the rise. A portion of the excess deaths may be the result of undetected coronavirus infections, but many more are probably occurring because people with non-coronavirus diseases aren�t receiving the proper care.

In Spain, too, recent reports suggest that mortality rates may have doubled last month, in large part because of non-coronavirus illnesses. Though death rates in the U.S. showed a paradoxical drop in March, there is every reason to believe that they too will soon show massive rises out of proportion to coronavirus infections.

�Indirect� deaths have always been a major problem in viral pandemics. In the Ebola epidemic in West Africa, lack of routine care for malaria, HIV/AIDS and tuberculosis led to an estimated 10,600 additional deaths. �As unprecedentedly catastrophic as the Ebola outbreak has been,� one study concluded, �we estimated that (the) indirect repercussions of the Ebola outbreak may have been even greater than the deaths directly attributable to Ebola in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.� These deaths occurred because people didn�t seek proper treatment but also because health care systems were strained beyond capacity. Malaria control programs, for example, took a hit.

� Viral transmission can occur at hospitals and clinics, and people may not receive the care they have come to expect. �

It is understandable that fear�of both contagion and substandard care�would lead people to avoid crowded hospitals and clinics in a pandemic. Viral transmission can occur at these facilities. And people may not receive the care they have come to expect. During the 2009 influenza pandemic, patients with acute strokes, congestive heart failure or heart attacks who were treated at hospitals facing a surge of flu cases had significantly higher death rates than comparable patients treated at non-surge hospitals, possibly because of protocol changes and staff shortages.

So what should patients be doing today? For routine issues, such as blood pressure or diabetes management, patients should not be going to hospitals or clinics to see their doctors face-to-face. There is a risk of viral exposure, but more immediately there is a risk of diverting scarce resources from the patients who most need them. Recognizing this, America�s health care system has quickly ramped up telemedicine visits and canceled procedures, such as routine biopsies, that can be scheduled for a later date.

For patients with serious health emergencies, however, it would be a grave mistake not to seek treatment. In New York City, there are disturbing reports of a spike in deaths from cardiac arrests at home. We may never know how many are because of the coronavirus and how many because people having heart attacks stayed at home instead of going to the hospital. But a plethora of anecdotal reports suggest the latter isn�t a small number.

One cardiologist wrote on Twitter about a patient with what was thought to be stable coronary artery disease who was brought to the hospital in cardiac arrest. Six months ago, the patient might have received closer evaluation, including an angiogram or even bypass surgery, before such catastrophic deterioration. But today such patients are being ignored. Even those who survive their heart attacks may have higher death rates in the future and suffer long-term health problems, such as arrhythmias and heart failure. Because of the prevalence of cardiovascular disease, even small increases in the mortality rate will have outsize effects.

Judging from prior epidemics, we may see a precipitous rise in �non-coronavirus� deaths in the coming months. Many will be health-related; others, such as suicides or opioid overdoses, will occur because of economic and psychological disruption. The official number of deaths from the coronavirus will never tell the full story of this pandemic�s devastation. For a full reckoning, we will need to keep counting.

�Dr. Jauhar is a practicing cardiologist and the author, most recently, of �Heart: A History.�

# ? Apr 20, 2020 16:42

Crab Dad: Dec 28, 2002; behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB

shame on an IGA posted:

Make us delicious, crabdad

Don�t tempt me.

# ? Apr 20, 2020 16:44

MA-Horus: Dec 3, 2006; I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

My Spirit Otter posted:

It was starting to happen more in Toronto, I wonder how itll be after this whole social isolation thing.

Yeah we had the Incel van attack and the Danforth shooting in recent memory.

This Nova Scotia shooting is just...baffling. I don't understand why.

# ? Apr 20, 2020 16:49

My Spirit Otter: Jun 15, 2006; CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

MA-Horus posted:

Yeah we had the Incel van attack and the Danforth shooting in recent memory.

This Nova Scotia shooting is just...baffling. I don't understand why.

There were quite a few shootings last summer. Including at drake's stop shooting people concert

# ? Apr 20, 2020 16:56

CRUSTY MINGE: Mar 30, 2011; Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

Nova Scotia is so drat pretty. I went about 15 years ago when I got back from deployment.

They have my favorite "cheap" beer ever in Alexander Keith's IPA form. Labatt owns it and won't distribute it to the US. Boo.

But still an awesome, beautiful place. Go watch the tides roll into the Bay of Fundy.

# ? Apr 20, 2020 16:56

My Spirit Otter: Jun 15, 2006; CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

nova scotia is a poor mans newfoundland. fight me

# ? Apr 20, 2020 17:02

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; bone shaking.
soul baking.

Proud Christian Mom posted:

SCOTUS rules that the Sixth Amendment requires unanimous verdicts, and that this applies to the states via the Fourteenth. Oregon last and only state to allow non-unanimous verdicts. Now, here's the kicker, an effective 5-3-1 ruling and not how you think.

Gorusch,, Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor and Kavanaugh for. Alito, Roberts and Kagan dissenting in varying degrees. Thomas concurring with the majority but believes the Sixth "applies against the States through the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, not the Due Process Clause"

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/18-5924_n6io.pdf

Thomas continuing his tireless crusade against due process jurisprudence so he can overturn all abortion caselaw and most civil rights precedence.

Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Apr 20, 2020

# ? Apr 20, 2020 17:04

My Spirit Otter: Jun 15, 2006; CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

what's the effect of the ruling for non-Americans?

# ? Apr 20, 2020 17:08

joat mon: Oct 15, 2009; I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

Proud Christian Mom posted:

SCOTUS rules that the Sixth Amendment requires unanimous verdicts, and that this applies to the states via the Fourteenth. Oregon last and only state to allow non-unanimous verdicts. Now, here's the kicker, an effective 5-3-1 ruling and not how you think.

Gorusch,, Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor and Kavanaugh for. Alito, Roberts and Kagan dissenting in varying degrees. Thomas concurring with the majority but believes the Sixth "applies against the States through the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, not the Due Process Clause"

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/18-5924_n6io.pdf

Except the military* and for crimes that carry 6 months or less in jail.

*except death penalty verdicts - they have to be unanimous.

# ? Apr 20, 2020 17:19

Handsome Ralph: Sep 3, 2004; Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!

My Spirit Otter posted:

nova scotia is a poor mans newfoundland. fight me

I will die on this hill.

I just really like Halifax and have a strong desire to move to the maritimes despite most of my family hailing from Regina and Edmonton

# ? Apr 20, 2020 17:20

Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

My Spirit Otter posted:

nova scotia is a poor mans newfoundland. fight me

*tugging on collar* And I thought the old scots were bad

# ? Apr 20, 2020 17:38

M_Gargantua: Oct 16, 2006; STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES; Exciting Lemon

My Spirit Otter posted:

what's the effect of the ruling for non-Americans?

Also, what the effect for Americans?

I do no understand law because I'm privileged enough to not have to pay attention.

# ? Apr 20, 2020 17:40

My Spirit Otter: Jun 15, 2006; CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

M_Gargantua posted:

I do no understand law because I'm privileged enough to not have to pay attention.

# ? Apr 20, 2020 17:47

Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

M_Gargantua posted:

Also, what the effect for Americans?

I do no understand law because I'm privileged enough to not have to pay attention.

I do not understand law because I understand the English language as normal and also literary people use it, not how lawyers abuse it.

# ? Apr 20, 2020 17:54

joat mon: Oct 15, 2009; I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

My Spirit Otter posted:

what's the effect of the ruling for non-Americans?

M_Gargantua posted:

Also, what the effect for Americans?

I do no understand law because I'm privileged enough to not have to pay attention.

If you're accused of a crime and exercise your right to have 12 randomly determined* people from the area decide whether you're guilty or not instead of having a judge decide, all 12 people have to agree that you're guilty in order for you to be found guilty. Oregon decided about 85 years ago that 10/12 was good enough, and in 1898 Louisiana decided 9/12 was fine. (Louisiana changed back to unanimous juries in 2018)

Now, no matter where you are in the US**, if you're accused of a crime that carries more than 6 months in jail/prison, you have the right to a jury of 12 people determine your guilt or innocence and their verdict must be unanimous.

*exceptions may apply
**except the military - 12/12 for death penalty, 6/8 for 'felonies', 3/4 for 'misdemeanors'

joat mon fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Apr 20, 2020

# ? Apr 20, 2020 18:03

Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

# ? Apr 20, 2020 18:06

Nostalgia4Butts: Jun 1, 2006; WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

thats a long post for someone thats holding it in

# ? Apr 20, 2020 18:09

maffew buildings: Apr 29, 2009; too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned

This is a great opportunity for them to literally poo poo on the institution of government, but I guess they're not actually the types to do things that may result in consequences that aren't invisible and have a two week incubation period.

# ? Apr 20, 2020 18:13

facialimpediment: Feb 11, 2005; as the world turns

Con: this will likely stunt the development of renewable/clean energy technologies for the near/medium term

Pro: lol

https://twitter.com/business/status/1252282516154744834?s=19

Edit: it just hit $4 and apparently China is reporting $3/barrel. I WILL DO ANYTHING TO SELL THIS BARREL OF CRUDE

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Apr 20, 2020

# ? Apr 20, 2020 18:19

Hot Karl Marx: Mar 16, 2009; Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!

facialimpediment posted:

Con: this will likely stunt the development of renewable/clean energy technologies for the near/medium term

Pro: lol

https://twitter.com/business/status/1252282516154744834?s=19

I think it's only some types of crude, ie heavy

# ? Apr 20, 2020 18:29

shame on an IGA: Apr 8, 2005

lmao the guy in BfC who comedy bet $4.20 in their "oil low for calendar week 16" pool just won and it's still monday and the market is still open

# ? Apr 20, 2020 18:30

Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

Hot Karl Marx posted:

I think it's only some types of crude, ie heavy

That's the graph for West Texas Intermediate which is light sweet crude.

# ? Apr 20, 2020 18:31

facialimpediment: Feb 11, 2005; as the world turns

Hot Karl Marx posted:

I think it's only some types of crude, ie heavy

It's apparently everything, across-the-board!

https://amp.ft.com/content/a5292644-958d-4065-92e8-ace55d766654?__twitter_impression=true

It seems to be a simple problem: the oil producers can't just shut down their production. With tanked demand, the oil has to go *somewhere*, the producers can't just keep it, so now they're paying drat near anyone possible that has storage space for it.

# ? Apr 20, 2020 18:33

shame on an IGA: Apr 8, 2005

# ? Apr 20, 2020 18:33

joat mon: Oct 15, 2009; I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

Hot Karl Marx posted:

I think it's only some types of crude, ie heavy

No, that's the good stuff - light, sweet crude.

# ? Apr 20, 2020 18:35

TCD: Nov 13, 2002; Every step, a fucking adventure.

Stultus Maximus posted:

That's the graph for West Texas Intermediate which is light sweet crude.

Ooof that's going to hit a few bottom lines.

# ? Apr 20, 2020 18:39

Hot Karl Marx: Mar 16, 2009; Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!

Oh. Well then.

RIP Alberta, now they will start whining that Trudeau didn't do more to help them diversify away from oil as they bitched and whined the the last 4-5 about how little Trudeau cares about oil & gas

# ? Apr 20, 2020 18:42

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; bone shaking.
soul baking.

These are may futures prices, and the main brokerage has announced they're going to allow negative trading. The issue is no one has room to actually store anything because there's no demand. If you can actually hold onto 1000 barrels of crude, you may get paid to do so soon.

# ? Apr 20, 2020 18:44

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Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

facialimpediment posted:

Con: this will likely stunt the development of renewable/clean energy technologies for the near/medium term

Pro: lol

https://twitter.com/business/status/1252282516154744834?s=19

Edit: it just hit $4 and apparently China is reporting $3/barrel. I WILL DO ANYTHING TO SELL THIS BARREL OF CRUDE

https://twitter.com/CAKaustav/status/1252288491041374214?s=20

# ? Apr 20, 2020 18:45

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