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Does george galloway have a coherent political position or is he just mad and starved for attention?
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Apr 21, 2020 13:44
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Jippa posted:I heard old people down here call it char as well. I never made the connection. Nobody here has ever heard of tea ladies being called char ladies?
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Apr 21, 2020 13:44
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Jedit posted:Nobody here has ever heard of tea ladies being called char ladies? Nope.
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Apr 21, 2020 13:51
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feedmegin posted:I suspect it used to be a lot more common generally at least for working class people. And we did own India after all. Char's pretty common in Cockney too, and I'd guess probably in most of the other big industrial revolution cities because that's where we got the troops required in case the Indians were just *too* happy with our colonies. (There are a few other Indian - mostly Urdu - loanwords in Cockney which made it out into the general language, like "pukka" and "thug", and ones that have mostly stayed in Cockney like "cushty", and "dekko" - Cockney is a magpie dialect even by the standards of English)
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Apr 21, 2020 13:53
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OwlFancier posted:Does george galloway have a coherent political position or is he just mad and starved for attention? What do you think?
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Apr 21, 2020 13:57
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I struggle to tell, honestly.
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Apr 21, 2020 13:58
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seems like the nhs botnet thing is fugazi, a hoax, a complete fiction.
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Apr 21, 2020 14:01
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Yvonmukluk posted:So a friend of mine and fellow Labour member has sent me a link about a live meeting for something called The 'Workers Party UK' called the death of Project Corbyn, hosted by George Galloway. What's a tactful way to tell her that it's best worth avoiding? I was trying to post this but my internet crashed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBe-jMLuFN0
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Apr 21, 2020 14:11
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I wonder about those directly affected by coronavirus by having a close family member die (16500) what sort of response and impact they'll have in the future. I imagine now they'll be in a state of mourning, but I can see them becoming political pawns in the following years. Will they be grateful to the NHS for trying, or angry at the government for doing nothing - and what role will they play in shaping public opinion? (apologies if a wee bit ghoulish, especially if anyone here has lost anyone to coronavirus)
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Apr 21, 2020 14:22
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Latest NHS England figures are out
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Apr 21, 2020 14:24
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justcola posted:I wonder about those directly affected by coronavirus by having a close family member die (16500) what sort of response and impact they'll have in the future. I imagine now they'll be in a state of mourning, but I can see them becoming political pawns in the following years. Will they be grateful to the NHS for trying, or angry at the government for doing nothing - and what role will they play in shaping public opinion? they'll blame it on the EU, immigrants and Jeremy Corbyn and we'll all move on to the next atrocity
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Apr 21, 2020 14:24
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Pablo Bluth posted:Latest NHS England figures are out hmm
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Apr 21, 2020 14:32
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Pablo Bluth posted:Latest NHS England figures are out They're still setting up new Nightingales and are being *very* evasive about ICU occupancy (NHSE were reporting those numbers up until last week). Something's definitely not matching up here.
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Apr 21, 2020 14:37
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Pablo Bluth posted:Latest NHS England figures are out What I don't get is that in early March all the graphs and predictions I saw saw this going on for far longer with many more casualties, yet from these official figures from a governmental organisation that has no skin in the game, it looks like we'll all be having street parties in ten days. I just don't get it. I'm stumped. Not a bloody clue. Ey, do you remember that Kung Flu what were all that about we had to cancel our cruise for nowt.
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Apr 21, 2020 14:38
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goddamnedtwisto posted:They're still setting up new Nightingales and are being *very* evasive about ICU occupancy (NHSE were reporting those numbers up until last week). Something's definitely not matching up here. They may be trying to expand hospital capacity (as opposed to testing capacity) ahead of a partial reopening of the economy. It's an idea that's been floated quite a bit lately.
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Apr 21, 2020 14:39
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goddamnedtwisto posted:They're still setting up new Nightingales and are being *very* evasive about ICU occupancy (NHSE were reporting those numbers up until last week). Something's definitely not matching up here. I was talking to a friend working in primary care in an English county a couple of days ago. She said they have spare capacity in ICU in her county but Birmingham is overflowing and are planning to (or maybe already) sending some patients over to her county. She also had to get hold of PPE for her place of work in a sort of hush hush ducking and diving manner because there is just none available of what they need to order online because NHS England have snaffled it all and are 'managing' supplies. The situation is definitely different around the UK. Also those graphs are just England and don't include Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland. Do they include care homes / home deaths yet?
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Apr 21, 2020 14:41
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That's a dark-edged bee-fly, very under recorded so if you have time you should add it to iRecord or Naturewatch
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Apr 21, 2020 14:44
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justcola posted:What I don't get is that in early March all the graphs and predictions I saw saw this going on for far longer with many more casualties, yet from these official figures from a governmental organisation that has no skin in the game, it looks like we'll all be having street parties in ten days. If we start seeing a solid day-on-day downturn this week that'll be 2-3 weeks quicker than any other country, and I'm definitely not buying that. The rather grim thought that keeps popping into my mind is that the early stages of a collapse of the NHS would definitely include increasing delays in paperwork being filled out and sent on, which would definitely then show an apparent drop in deaths.
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Apr 21, 2020 14:48
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I was talking to a friend working in primary care in an English county a couple of days ago. She said they have spare capacity in ICU in her county but Birmingham is overflowing and are planning to (or maybe already) sending some patients over to her county. She also had to get hold of PPE for her place of work in a sort of hush hush ducking and diving manner because there is just none available of what they need to order online because NHS England have snaffled it all and are 'managing' supplies. These are explicitly deaths in hospital only.
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Apr 21, 2020 14:49
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OwlFancier posted:I would imagine that Ireland is probably more influenced by the english word than the more remote islands. Old dialects and words often only really survive in isolated places. They don't though. They want to burn down the idea that anyone else but them giving a poo poo about you is possible at all, which isn't helpful when they are loving fascists. That ad would be a great argument for whole system reform if it WAS an argument for whole-system reform an d it proposed a meaningful way of acheiving that, but it's not it's an ad for fuckign Trump for president.
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Apr 21, 2020 14:49
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:
Not yet. I read somewhere that if care home deaths were included, we would have passed 20,000 last week. The Nightingale hospitals and other excess capacity is definitely being prepared at the moment to cope with a glut of cases once things start to be reopened. The idea behind the lockdown was to buy time for the NHS to build this capacity. The lockdown itself seems to be working a lot better than anyone predicted considering the delay in implementing it, which seems to be prompting the government to jump the gun with an early reopening.
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Apr 21, 2020 14:50
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justcola posted:What I don't get is that in early March all the graphs and predictions I saw saw this going on for far longer with many more casualties, yet from these official figures from a governmental organisation that has no skin in the game, it looks like we'll all be having street parties in ten days.  Please ignore the green curve after summer.
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Apr 21, 2020 14:52
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thespaceinvader posted:They don't though. What they want to do and what they will achieve, I think, are two different things. I do not think you can perfectly manage an advertisement that is a clear and deserved attack on class inequality but also make everyone who sees it think that your rich assholes are the good guys. It will work on some, particularly those predisposed to already think that, and it will definitely depress the working class support for the democrats, but that's necessary, that has to happen, cos as long as the working class support goes to people like that they'll never get anywhere. There's gonna be a lot of lefties rightly making GBS threads on the dems for being vulnerable to that, and it's a very easy message for a proper left wing effort to attach itself to.
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Apr 21, 2020 14:53
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:The situation is definitely different around the UK. As a side note NI recently changed our reporting system to include care home deaths and launched a fancy new dashboard to show bed and ICU capacity as well alongside admissions against discharged (partly in reaction to similar data being offered across the border). Link https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJr...jZjNSIsImMiOjh9
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Apr 21, 2020 15:10
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I have really ominous feelings about the government forcing everyone back to work. Something smells really, really bad about this
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Apr 21, 2020 15:52
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Guavanaut posted:Is that also where the Manx originates from too, and is there a proposed PIE root? It sounds quite different from the rest. (Excluding Basque which is like the only pre-PIE language to survive in Europe.) Yeah, Manx is part of the same family so their lhune will be related. As to a proposed root - according to MacBain here lionn, leann "ale" comes from/is related to linne "a pool", which in turn comes from/is related to lighe "a flood, overflow" from the root lî, leja "flow". Disclaimer: As a prehistorian by training and inclination I'm not totally convinced that the theoretical reconstruction of unrecorded, in any way, languages is going to get all the little nuances of how living languages warp and change* so any discussion of PIE must be massively speculative. There is also the suggestion that the insular-Celtic languages would include relics of the original pre-PIE languages of the Mesolithic inhabitants of Britain that are not found in their continental relatives. OwlFancier posted:Old dialects and words often only really survive in isolated places. *Eg. In high school in the 70s we could tell which village kids came from because of little differences in vocabulary (especially slang of course), despite only being 2-3 miles apart on average and all sharing the same radio/television.
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Apr 21, 2020 16:07
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/21/turkish-ppe-flight-only-slim-chance-goods-will-arrive-in-uk-today the debacle with the gowns is p symptomatic of their whole loving useless response to this is, but also the media aren't very good at actually holding them to account for this poo poo like why doesn't the article address whether 400,000 gowns is actually a lot? Gove has said that 25 million are coming from China at some point, so clearly they're something that are used on that order of magnitude. For all I know 400,000 could be a week's supply or even less, so the question would be what they're going to do about this next week and the week after also this is an amazing turn of phrase, although I guess "lying" might be more libellous? quote:Ministers have been giving what turned out to be false assurances that the equipment was due to arrive imminently in the UK since the weekend. XMNN fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Apr 21, 2020 |
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Apr 21, 2020 16:09
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XMNN posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/21/turkish-ppe-flight-only-slim-chance-goods-will-arrive-in-uk-today I saw this on the live blog earlier, but it's the first and only time I've seen the "ministers promise [big number] coming [soon]" numbers put into any kind of context: quote:The first of three RAF flights finally left on Monday for Turkey to begin collecting a consignment of personal protective equipment (PPE) including 400,000 surgical gowns. The government said meanwhile that 140,000 gowns had arrived from Burma - but with the NHS using 150,000 a day, the demand on resources remains intense. So your hunch is right, 400,000 is less than 3 days' worth.
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Apr 21, 2020 16:17
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Barry Foster posted:I have really ominous feelings about the government forcing everyone back to work. Something smells really, really bad about this Somebody in the USPOL thread was saying that private equity groups have been lobbying hard for an early reopening. Their standard operating procedure of buying a company with it's own debt, mortgaging it to the point that it can barely service the debt, and then asset-stripping it doesn't really leave much of a buffer against even a moderate downturn. And when a company does fail, they tend not to lose any sleep about just walking away and dropping the whole mess of redundancy payments, pension liabilities and bankrupted creditors right into the government's lap. Considering how much of the British retail and manufacturing sectors they own, it would be understandable if people are getting nervous. Soylent Yellow fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Apr 21, 2020 |
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Apr 21, 2020 16:21
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 Incredibly on-brand commitment to number.
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Apr 21, 2020 16:26
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Soylent Yellow posted:Somebody in the USPOL thread was saying that private equity groups have been lobbying hard for an early reopening. Their standard operating procedure of buying a company with it's own debt, mortgaging it to the point that it can barely service the debt, and then asset-stripping it doesn't really leave much of a buffer against even a moderate downturn. And when a company does fail, they tend not to lose any sleep about just walking away and dropping the whole mess of redundancy payments, pension liabilities and bankrupted creditors right into the government's lap. Considering how much of the British retail and manufacturing sectors they own, it would be understandable if people are getting nervous. I do not relish the idea of having to convince my friends and (especially) family to ignore the 'all is clear, go back to work! go shopping!' signal in a couple of weeks. No one wants to hear from pessimists at the best of times. Trying to get my parents to take this seriously in the first place was like herding cats. They won't want to hear it. EDIT I'm so tired of trying to make people think, it's like trying to bail out a barrel with a thimble. The hold of the established narrative over people's brains is overwhelming EDIT AGAIN also 823 dead today, so it looks like the rate's not going down any time soon 
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Apr 21, 2020 16:31
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My rural Welsh village had it's first two known cases yesterday. Up until now, we've avoided it. One of the two works in the village shop, so considering the fact that every pensioner goes in there without fail every day for their morning newspaper like arthritic lemmings, it's probably everywhere.
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Apr 21, 2020 16:44
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Barry Foster posted:I have really ominous feelings about the government forcing everyone back to work. Something smells really, really bad about this It's definitely not good, but I wonder how different it will be. I do not personally know a single (non-self-)employed person irl who has been able to stop work this whole time.
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Apr 21, 2020 16:45
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Oh dear me posted:It's definitely not good, but I wonder how different it will be. I do not personally know a single (non-self-)employed person irl who has been able to stop work this whole time. most of the people I know who aren't NHS staff or school teachers have managed to shift to working from home, but that's because I'm a middle class bellend admittedly I do know quite a few of both of the above though
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Apr 21, 2020 16:48
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Jose posted:Lol I'm not shaving my head for some sense of control I just get annoyed at it when it's longer particularly now I'm going running and getting sweaty. I'm not up to speed on US politics at all, can someone explain why this bill was blocked? Is it just to prevent good things happening to US citizens by Trumps government in the runup to the election or are there real issues with it? Did they give a reason?
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Apr 21, 2020 16:49
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Not sure what's supposed to happen with all the high risk folk shielding if everyone else returns to work. Is there a plan for them other than "stay inside until there's a vaccine, sorry"? Some the people I know who are high risk have jobs where they interact with the public so there's surely no way they can go back if it's circulating through everyone.
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Apr 21, 2020 16:51
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Oh dear me posted:It's definitely not good, but I wonder how different it will be. I do not personally know a single (non-self-)employed person irl who has been able to stop work this whole time. A lot of manufacturing and support companies have either closed doors or dropped down to a skeleton crew. My workplace had to close as none of our suppliers were still trading. Danger - Octopus! posted:Not sure what's supposed to happen with all the high risk folk shielding if everyone else returns to work. Is there a plan for them other than "stay inside until there's a vaccine, sorry"? Or the working age people living with an elderly or vulnerable relative. Lock Grandad in his bedroom and post meals through a catflap? Soylent Yellow fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Apr 21, 2020 |
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Apr 21, 2020 16:52
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With the death of a sikh A&E consultant, Manjeet Singh Riyat, yesterday, I'd like to know why so many BAME health workers have died compared to non-BAME. I hope 'they' are going to look into this at some point.
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Apr 21, 2020 16:58
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zhar posted:I'm not up to speed on US politics at all, can someone explain why this bill was blocked? Is it just to prevent good things happening to US citizens by Trumps government in the runup to the election or are there real issues with it? Did they give a reason? Because if you add up the stimulus cheques issued, the total comes to about 20% of the money requested for the bill. The rest was going straight to rich Republicans.
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Apr 21, 2020 16:59
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zhar posted:I'm not up to speed on US politics at all, can someone explain why this bill was blocked? Is it just to prevent good things happening to US citizens by Trumps government in the runup to the election or are there real issues with it? Did they give a reason? The big one is there is within it a 500 billion slush fund for the Republicans that specifically doesn't have a paper trial for the first six months.
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