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Joe Slowboat
Nov 9, 2016

Higgledy-Piggledy Whale Statements



I do think it’s fair to say that paying extra high rates for Zak S was both a moral and tactical error, in that you shouldn’t be giving Zak S money and it clearly backfired financially. I hope his writers who weren’t awful people who make the hobby worse got paid similar rates, though, and I hope they get what he owes them.

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FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
LOL at going broke in order to put money in a trust fund kid's pocket.

Admiral Joeslop
Jul 8, 2010




But This Has Nothing To Do With Zak S!

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
e: nm

Absurd Alhazred fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jul 22, 2020

CitizenKeen
Nov 13, 2003

easygoing pedant
I love that this was shared by Howitt, because I've been listening to Hearty Dice Friends since the beginning while building some furniture, and I can just hear his emotions about this experience.

Edits:

Iron Sky posted:

Michonne switched gender as taxi driver-turned-business adviser and closet psychopath ‘Smiley’ Dave

Why does this need to be called out? "Blair switched races and was playing an elf. They're not really an elf."

Iron Sky posted:

Marc: OK, that’ll be a Senses + Sense roll for everyone. Don’t forget to divide the result by two.

You should have just rolled Strengths + Strength.

CitizenKeen fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Apr 21, 2020

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

https://twitter.com/gshowitt/status/1252505939934134272

I am super into the GM also coming off like he's still really into reading Black Belt Magazine.

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord
Oh man, the author is roaming through the comments insisting the game isn't really THAT complex, and bemoaning the uneven treatment.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Why would anyone ever use a d1000? :psyduck:

Punkinhead
Apr 2, 2015

This reminds me of how I GM when I'm running a new game for the first time, that I wrote a bunch of house rules for, after not GMing anything for months, while painfully sober and incredibly anxious.

Mystic Mongol
Jan 5, 2007

Your life's been thrown in disarray already--I wouldn't want you to feel pressured.


College Slice

Night10194 posted:

Why would anyone ever use a d1000? :psyduck:

On a d20 you can roll a crit. On a d100 you can roll a double crit. But on a d1000 you can roll an ultracrit, and then you can tell people about it at conventions.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Man I just use a d100 if I can't think of a pressing reason to use something else for ease of probability calculations.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Ticks and shifts and shifts and ticks and aaaaah.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
e: nm

Absurd Alhazred fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jul 22, 2020

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Dawgstar posted:

Ticks and shifts and shifts and ticks and aaaaah.

Just the game's glossary makes you want to take a shower.

Warthur
May 2, 2004



It's interesting to me that the author's idea of "pulp horror" seems to be "it's more realistic and you have to account for where you got your equipment for", given that this seems to be the opposite sense to which most people use "pulp".

I would be willing to bet the guy is one of those people who don't know any pulp authors aside from Lovecraft and his immediate imitators, without realising that Lovecraft was seriously out of step with a lot of the pulp authors of the time (one reason why he had so much trouble selling his stories) and most pulp stuff leaned more towards what we'd consider action movie-style levels of realism.

Froghammer
Sep 8, 2012

Khajit has wares
if you have coin
Waking up to find LotFP going under, James Raggi exiting the hobby in disgrace, and Zak S screaming about how the virtual hate mob Storygamer conspiracy are ruining him is better than coffee

Bieeanshee
Aug 21, 2000

Not keen on keening.


Grimey Drawer

Dawgstar posted:

Ticks and shifts and shifts and ticks and aaaaah.

Don't forget the acetates!

The Lore Bear
Jan 21, 2014

I don't know what to put here. Guys? GUYS?!

Joe Slowboat posted:

I do think it’s fair to say that paying extra high rates for Zak S was both a moral and tactical error, in that you shouldn’t be giving Zak S money and it clearly backfired financially. I hope his writers who weren’t awful people who make the hobby worse got paid similar rates, though, and I hope they get what he owes them.

Yeah, it's hard to tell if Zak got paid better than the other writers. People should get paid more in the industry as a whole, but Zak getting a premium for basically name recognition and that loving up your cash flow makes me lol.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Warthur posted:

It's interesting to me that the author's idea of "pulp horror" seems to be "it's more realistic and you have to account for where you got your equipment for", given that this seems to be the opposite sense to which most people use "pulp".
Why would a mediocre comedy movie have a "pulp horror" tabletop game?

DalaranJ
Apr 15, 2008

Yosuke will now die for you.

Kemper Boyd posted:

Apparently, LotFP ain't doing so hot (the tweeter is using Zak's blog as a source, mind you).

Seems like the sort of thing Zak would lie about. "Oh, LOTFP can't possibly survive without me writing for them."

But, hypothetically, you'd have to be pretty badly leveraged to not be able to pay royalties right?

DalaranJ fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Apr 21, 2020

RocknRollaAyatollah
Nov 26, 2008

Lipstick Apathy
I'm sure Zak is possibly lying about how much he was paid or is putting together all his paychecks, over multiple projects, into one lump sum. Considering his past career as a liar, he'd totally inflate something like that to make himself look better in his own, sad eyes.

Alternatively, Zak scammed Raggi by making him pay him more because he was in the MoMa.

GreenMetalSun
Oct 12, 2012

RocknRollaAyatollah posted:

I'm sure Zak is possibly lying about how much he was paid or is putting together all his paychecks, over multiple projects, into one lump sum. Considering his past career as a liar, he'd totally inflate something like that to make himself look better in his own, sad eyes.

Alternatively, Zak scammed Raggi by making him pay him more because he was in the MoMa.

There's this bit in his blog post where he showcases a screencap of a woman saying, 'I wish we had a more constructive way of dealing with abusers and rapists than internet mobs, but ultimately we can't have rapists and abusers in our communities', and he's dancing all around howling and screaming, 'She's admiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiting she liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiied about everythiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why don't you stupid morons see it!!!!!!!!!!'

So I think the dude's relationship with the truth is probably non-existent.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
https://twitter.com/DyingStylishly/status/1252456143936520193

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Edit: Here, have a palette cleanser - a game that is just bad rather than also giving money to bad people (I hope?). This is Iron Sky's developers` showcase of how to play their game:

This is from the introductory adventure blurb on their kickstarter page which, as someone else said, is really burying the lede.

https://twitter.com/KaiTave/status/1252538113823404033

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
Note that I have absolutely no idea what any of this poo poo has to do with fighting moon Nazis.

Loxbourne
Apr 6, 2011

Tomorrow, doom!
But now, tea.
Wouldn't surprise me if Raggi really was on the hook to Zak for huge sums. People like Zak demand vast payments because it's their "true worth", and because they're such narcissists they've no idea of what counts as reasonable rates. If LOTFP was flying high for a while then Raggi may have even thought such royalty rates were normal, or a sign of "success" that he had such an important and expensive person on his payroll.

The big question now is...will Zak seek legal action against Raggi for breach of contract? Because there is not enough popcorn in the world.

Warthur
May 2, 2004



Terrible Opinions posted:

Why would a mediocre comedy movie have a "pulp horror" tabletop game?
Because the designer is actually using the licence to get eyeballs on their system and fidelity to the source material is a distant secondary concern? That's my guess anyway.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
e: nm

Absurd Alhazred fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jul 22, 2020

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

note that zak's quote is from a discord he is banned from and that for some random reason he had ettin post the legal apology to, so of course he has a sock stuffed in there and is reading everything about him

Warthur
May 2, 2004



DalaranJ posted:

Seems like the sort of thing Zak would lie about. "Oh, LOTFP can't possibly survive without me writing for them."

But, hypothetically, you'd have to be pretty badly leveraged to not be able to pay royalties right?
I wonder if Raggi was running the business on a robbing Peter to pay Paul basis - where, whilst royalties owed would be calculated on the basis of how many copies of your book got sold, he'd actually use the initial burst of money from a new release to pay off the previous authors' outstanding royalties and/or to fund the creation of the next book, in the hope that he'd then be able to pay your royalties owed later on either from the long tail of your own product or the initial sales of the next product?

Either way, it's not a good sign. A drop in sales shouldn't, in theory, make it hard for you to pay royalties, because if book sales plummet, royalties owed also plummet. It feels like it should only break if a) you hosed up the calculations and there's a point on the graph where if the book sells very poorly you owe a disproportionate amount of royalties compared to if it's selling healthily, or b) you have significant ongoing costs and your sales have slumped so much you need to hold back people's royalties to keep the lights on. (EDIT: For instance, maybe you have significant printer's costs, or you're warehousing a bunch of stuff and it costs to pay the rent on that. Except in today's RPG market, with PDF and POD and Kickstarter all offering ways to avoid having to make a big print run and simply hoping that people will buy enough of it, there is no goddamn reason a small publisher should be putting themselves in that sort of position these days.)

EDIT:

Loxbourne posted:

Wouldn't surprise me if Raggi really was on the hook to Zak for huge sums. People like Zak demand vast payments because it's their "true worth", and because they're such narcissists they've no idea of what counts as reasonable rates. If LOTFP was flying high for a while then Raggi may have even thought such royalty rates were normal, or a sign of "success" that he had such an important and expensive person on his payroll.
It is possible that Raggi and Zak's agreement included a big fat advance to Zak in addition to royalties, and some of the significant ongoing costs include either paying that on instalments, or paying off whatever loan Raggi took out to finance it, or something along those lines. It's even possible that Raggi was foolish enough to not treat the advance as an actual advance - ie, he wouldn't need to pay any royalties to Zak until the books had sold enough to make back the advance money.

quote:

The big question now is...will Zak seek legal action against Raggi for breach of contract? Because there is not enough popcorn in the world.
:hmmyes:

Warthur fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Apr 21, 2020

Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009

Kai Tave posted:

This is from the introductory adventure blurb on their kickstarter page which, as someone else said, is really burying the lede.

https://twitter.com/KaiTave/status/1252538113823404033

conspiracy theorist crank character believed in dumb poo poo, not much of a lede there

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

Brother Entropy posted:

conspiracy theorist crank character believed in dumb poo poo, not much of a lede there

I think it's pretty weird that a game based on a movie about fighting moon Nazis has an intro adventure that has you investigating on behalf of someone concerned about "dangerous alt-left and pro-socialist circles" is the thing.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Kai Tave posted:

I think it's pretty weird that a game based on a movie about fighting moon Nazis has an intro adventure that has you investigating on behalf of someone concerned about "dangerous alt-left and pro-socialist circles" is the thing.

Do they reveal what happened to him? Because it'd be great if he was actually just in jail for harassing some nice local hippies or something.

I'm more baffled by the basic premise of a seemingly pretty mundane gumshoe investigation being an intro adventure to a fighting Moon Nazis game. I'm not really familiar with Iron Sky. Is the premise that a bunch of super pulp adventure is happening, but not onscreen where we care about it?

Also, WTF is like a quarter of this dude's useless backstory doing at the front of the scenario open? "He used to live in Frisco, then Colorado. Now he's in Florida where this adventure actually takes place okay bye." None of this seems important unless you're fishing for very specific story hooks based on your specific at-table characters.

Nevertheless I remember this project from when it launched, entirely because of the bonkers dice system that they seemed to think was a selling point.

Edit: Jesus, something I did forget were some of the names attached to the project. Lasanta, Long, Walters. And Modiphius as publisher? This is so loving weird.

That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Apr 22, 2020

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.




I don't understand any of this, and I usually pay pretty close attention.

What is the context here?

E: thanks, I didn't realize that was the person he was strangely crowing over.

moths fucked around with this message at 10:37 on Apr 22, 2020

UrbanLabyrinth
Jan 28, 2009

When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence


College Slice

moths posted:

I don't understand any of this, and I usually pay pretty close attention.

What is the context here?

GreenMetalSun posted:

There's this bit in his blog post where he showcases a screencap of a woman saying, 'I wish we had a more constructive way of dealing with abusers and rapists than internet mobs, but ultimately we can't have rapists and abusers in our communities', and he's dancing all around howling and screaming, 'She's admiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiting she liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiied about everythiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why don't you stupid morons see it!!!!!!!!!!'

So I think the dude's relationship with the truth is probably non-existent.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

That Old Tree posted:

Do they reveal what happened to him? Because it'd be great if he was actually just in jail for harassing some nice local hippies or something.

Someone with a really deft hand could probably make a workable joke about how this conspiracy nutball was investigating "dangerous socialist organizations" and accidentally stumbles about a conspiracy of national socialists without even meaning to and now you have to fight Nazis, eeeeexcept...

That Old Tree posted:

I'm more baffled by the basic premise of a seemingly pretty mundane gumshoe investigation being an intro adventure to a fighting Moon Nazis game. I'm not really familiar with Iron Sky. Is the premise that a bunch of super pulp adventure is happening, but not onscreen where we care about it?

...from what other people have said and from what I can glean, this game is actually a prequel of sorts, set before the events of the first Iron Sky movie, which means this all takes place before the whole "moon Nazi" thing happens, so as to what the premise of the game is, uh, well ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
Also to add to the weirdness of this, the guy in question is apparently not even the game's original designer because the game's original designer fuckin died before crowdfunding was finished, he's just someone who picked up the ball and has continued to run with it.

https://twitter.com/true_shinken/status/1252719444142567425

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
e: nm

Absurd Alhazred fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jul 22, 2020

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
Feels kind of tasteless for me to make a "speaking of conspiracy theories" joke about that but, well

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Izzy
Mar 22, 2010

Gibbering in the void

CitizenKeen posted:

Why does this need to be called out? "Blair switched races and was playing an elf. They're not really an elf."

I also noticed that the cast list has a dude playing a woman (Michael/Lucia) and it's completely glossed over. Because it's only weird if a woman plays a different gender, I guess?

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