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Fleetwood Crack posted:Please read the thread, we were discussing how to make bitcoin payments available to people who don't have access to more expensive technology. There's parts of rural Africa and India that are better banked than rural US because you can bank on a dumb phone and people being the 1st generation exposed to banks are obviously excited to get started compared to a generation in the west terrified of fees. The major problems in this sphere are culture and disenfranchisement. Banking tech is pretty up to the task.
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Splicer posted:Where does the money come from
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Welcome to the public library's computer system, where you can input your bitcoin address to receive your emergency funds. 1F1tAaz5x3HUXrCPLbtHDqcw6o7GNn4xqX Thank you. Provided you didn't enter a single digit wrong, and someone else didn't man-in-the-middle attack the library's pc, and the government system doesn't have the exact same kind of glitch, you might get some sort of payment you can then do nothing with. If any of those things go wrong, our system will show that we paid the money, which means you have no recourse to attempt a remedy. Have a nice day.
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Apr 21, 2020 20:56
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Fleetwood Crack posted:That's an excellent question. As anyone who's been following this thread should know by now, I'm not the biggest fan of relying on charity for things that ought to be provided to people as a human right. I don't know if there's any easy answers here, but perhaps the community could pressure anybody with a certain amount of bitcoin wealth (public ledger, remember?) to contribute X% of their holdings during a crisis? I'm just spitballing here.
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Apr 21, 2020 21:00
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ah yes the libertarian coiner community, famed advocates of social assistance and public goods (when not demanding the government prosecute an exchange that disappeared with all their poo poo)
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put public pressure on the big holders of a system that advertises being anonymous as a selling point and we don't know just how many dozens of people own more than 100000 btc
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Ad by Khad posted:Welcome to the public library's computer system, where you can input your bitcoin address to receive your emergency funds. Ad by Khad posted:put public pressure on the big holders of a system that advertises being anonymous as a selling point and we don't know just how many dozens of people own more than 100000 btc
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Apr 21, 2020 21:03
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Fleetwood Crack posted:That's an excellent question. As anyone who's been following this thread should know by now, I'm not the biggest fan of relying on charity for things that ought to be provided to people as a human right. I don't know if there's any easy answers here, but perhaps the community could pressure anybody with a certain amount of bitcoin wealth (public ledger, remember?) to contribute X% of their holdings during a crisis? I'm just spitballing here. Lemme get a ps4's worth of bitcoin it's a crisis
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I'm aware that it's not anonymous, that doesn't stop coiners from trying to claim it is as a selling point Though to be fair we still don't have that number of dozens of people
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zedprime posted:There's parts of rural Africa and India that are better banked than rural US because you can bank on a dumb phone and people being the 1st generation exposed to banks are obviously excited to get started compared to a generation in the west terrified of fees. The major problems in this sphere are culture and disenfranchisement. Banking tech is pretty up to the task. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/04/14/beyond-predatory-trump-treasury-department-gives-banks-green-light-seize-1200
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Apr 21, 2020 21:11
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Fleetwood Crack posted:Yeah, up to the task of seizing people's stimulus checks to cover debts. You need a fundamental sea change in culture and rulership for most of your ideas otherwise the new tools get used for the same oppression and now you just have a really expensive way to distribute disaster stimulus to debt collectors.
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Apr 21, 2020 21:15
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zedprime posted:How do smart contracts and Bitcoin fix this? Why would I not build this into the smart contract?
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what do libertarian dipshits have to do with grassroots charity
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Fleetwood Crack posted:Because you're not a government. We are talking about grassroots organized crowdfunded-charity here. Why would a crypto-based charity deliberately build-in support to allow banks to seize people's funds? Splicer posted:OK so why is this an intrinsic benefit of bitcoin or general cryptocurrencies as opposed to just something anyone with a huge chunk of cash could do through existing mediums?
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Hey all, just wanted to point out that https://www.givedirectly.org/ exists, transfers funds directly to people who need it within weeks of a crisis, and does it all without the involvement of Chinese heat farmers. You know, if you're into that sort of thing.
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Fleetwood Crack posted:Why would a crypto-based charity deliberately build-in support to allow banks to seize people's funds? Because it would be picked up as off-grid financial fuckery and destroyed by the government because there would be no way to prove its not terrorist funding or money laundering?
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Kerbtree posted:Because it would be picked up as off-grid financial fuckery and destroyed by the government because there would be no way to prove its not terrorist funding or money laundering?
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You might be surprised to learn that "crime prevention" is often a misnomer, and actually relies on post-criminal-act prosecution to act as deterrent.
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Fleetwood Crack posted:That's an excellent question. As anyone who's been following this thread should know by now, I'm not the biggest fan of relying on charity for things that ought to be provided to people as a human right. I don't know if there's any easy answers here, but perhaps the community could pressure anybody with a certain amount of bitcoin wealth (public ledger, remember?) to contribute X% of their holdings during a crisis? I'm just spitballing here. Lol pressure someone to give to charity sounds reasonable
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resistentialism posted:You might be surprised to learn that "crime prevention" is often a misnomer, and actually relies on post-criminal-act prosecution to act as deterrent. Burt Sexual posted:Lol pressure someone to give to charity sounds reasonable Crypto Cobain fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Apr 21, 2020 |
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Fleetwood Crack posted:And how would a government go about destroying or stopping these payments? Put a cop next to every computer?
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Easiest way to prevent crime is to not make a bunch of stupid poo poo a crime. What? I drank something but I wasn't born 21 years ago? Aw gently caress, I'm a criminal now! Oh no, I smoked a dry flower in the wrong state CRIMINAL! I said we should kill everyone with a D in their name? Oh, that's okay? Well, that's nice.
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Burt Sexual posted:Lol pressure someone to give to charity sounds reasonable It almost worked here in 2016  Unlike bitcoin which does not work in any year 
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Waltzing Along posted:Easiest way to prevent crime is to not make a bunch of stupid poo poo a crime. 
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Shaming people who own lots of USD aint so tough, there's all sorts of laws and tax forms and shits that require you to tell people how much you make Shaming people who own lots of BTC seems complicated, Mark didnt even know how much btc HE owned when he came back like a year after he went to jail and he was like "oh yeah I found another wallet". How many other wallets he got? We don't know. Mark doesn't know. Carl Mark Force IV went to jail trying to find out
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Fleetwood Crack posted:Please read the thread, we were discussing how to make bitcoin payments available to people who don't have access to more expensive technology. But you just mentioned some sim chip overlay and some other j2ee upgrade. Then you mentioned it’s “easy” to teach someone how to create a wallet. A. Imagine the mass number of people who are poor and vastly under educated, it’s hard I know, but they have no clue about either of those. b. Where is this legion of in the field trainers coming from? Are they going to sketchy south side neighborhoods? Who’s paying for that? Or is that all volunteer too? Your idiotic ideas man naïveté is starting to grind on me now.
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OH wait I was wrong, Carl Mark Force IV went to jail trying to embezzle Ross's murder-for-bitcoins drug-money How silly of me, mixing up gigantic multimillion dollar bitcoin crimes
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Fleetwood Crack posted:So now we're imagining a society that criminalizes accepting charity in a time of tremendous economic crisis? Sure you can do that too, but depending on that as the sole source of voluntary emergency financial relief for million is the most dumb idea
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Burt Sexual posted:Sure you can do that too, but depending on that as the sole source of voluntary emergency financial relief for million is the most dumb idea Burt Sexual posted:Your idiotic ideas man naïveté is starting to grind on me now.
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Fleetwood Crack posted:Just so you know, if you enter a digit wrong it doesn't go through. It's not like the money gets sent somewhere else, it simply doesn't get sent. Bitcoin is very resistant to typos because the addresses contain a built-in check code. So if you had simply mistyped a few of the letters or numbers in the address, it's extremely unlikely the client would let you complete a transaction with an incorrect address. You'd have to paste in another working address. It isn't anonymous though most bitcoiners will fight you on that. But what advantages do you think Bitcoin has over modern banking? It isn't anonymous, it is slow, it has no support your grandma can call when scammed, and can't support any kind of "smart"-noun without involving judges, oracles, banks, Etc. It's only real advantage is decentralization, but centralization and trusting 3rd parties are the only way to use it.
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Fleetwood Crack posted:In that case, I think this is the moment I'll see myself out of the thread for the day. Good talking with you all.  no please come back and quote half-read articles verbatim
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He will be back in 30 minutes to give the last word dont worry
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Frankly I think our culture needs much more shaming and pressuring of rich folks, I say only a few steps removed from pumping gas into Cameron & Tyler Winklevoss' spaceplane.
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Perhaps the community could pressure anybody with a certain amount of bitcoin wealth (public ledger, remember?) to contribute X% of their holdings during a crisis? I'm just spitballing here as I reinvent the class warfare that accompanied ecological devastation, national brain-drain and millions of lower-class deaths from famine and disease because twisting the arms of rich people sounded cool.
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Splicer posted:OK I have 1,200 worth of cryptocurrency. I need to pay my rent or utilities. What do I do now. Meet in back of Safeway at midnight with your j2ee enabled flip phone and sim chip overlay. Pray you don’t get mugged or murdered for this innovative payment process. Fried Watermelon posted:He will be back in 30 minutes to give the last word dont worry
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please help, my 500000 empty wallets i've just created in twelve minutes are starving in this time of crisis
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zedprime posted:There's parts of rural Africa and India that are better banked than rural US because you can bank on a dumb phone and people being the 1st generation exposed to banks are obviously excited to get started compared to a generation in the west terrified of fees. The major problems in this sphere are culture and disenfranchisement. Banking tech is pretty up to the task.
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Burt Sexual posted:Meet in back of Safeway at midnight with your j2ee enabled flip phone and sim chip overlay. Pray you don’t get mugged or murdered for this innovative payment process. Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Apr 21, 2020 |
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