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How much are set/play design actually allowed to do if a novel design, that the guys are clearly proud of, just turns out to be utterly wrong? Could they have introduced an Alpine Moon reprint in M20 to sink Field of the Dead despite the set's land subtheme? Were they allowed to fudge the numbers on Oko and make the obvious pack-mover weaker? Could they have vetoed the entire Companion cycle?Irony Be My Shield posted:https://twitter.com/BryanGo/status/1252298902293774336 I'm still miffed they lump companions as one huge thing because 1) it's a really reductive view of the problem because it places the blame solely on the companion ability instead of on the design they went with where it's actually quite easy to meet their conditions because they're really broad, and some decks do by accident i.e. Lurrus and low-curve decks in eternal formats 2) the standard list with Kaheera, the Orphanguard deserves some loving credit for being really clever about meeting the condition by playing a creatureless 5c superfriends list.
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About two weeks before previews someone got onto the server where all the leaks are and posted a bunch of the companions on MTG Salvation. We were sure they would be on reddit within minutes but no one believed they were real and the Salvation mods deleted the thread after like an hour and there were never spoken of again until previews.
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Basically the og Partners were this kind of bullshit where 5 of them (Tynma, Thrasios, Karum, Ludevic, Vial Smasher) are just generically too good, three of them (Bruse Tarl, Akari, Sidar Kondo) are actually interesting and make for some novel new decks, a few more (Reyhan, Tana, Silas Renn) are just sorta there, and the rest are hot garbage. I think Companion is what happens when you get Tynma/whoever in regular constructed.
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Apr 21, 2020 17:58
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:How much are set/play design actually allowed to do if a novel design, that the guys are clearly proud of, just turns out to be utterly wrong? Could they have introduced an Alpine Moon reprint in M20 to sink Field of the Dead despite the set's land subtheme? Were they allowed to fudge the numbers on Oko and make the obvious pack-mover weaker? Could they have vetoed the entire Companion cycle? If companions were all just generic Bears they'd still be very good but not as utterly broken. The problem isn't that you get an 8th card, it's that you get an 8th card with an amazing ability at no downside in some decks.
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Tainen posted:About two weeks before previews someone got onto the server where all the leaks are and posted a bunch of the companions on MTG Salvation. We were sure they would be on reddit within minutes but no one believed they were real and the Salvation mods deleted the thread after like an hour and there were never spoken of again until previews. It wouldn't surprise me to see more of this now that every WotC employee is working from home and sending files back and forth. Were there any future spoilers or was it just Ikoria?
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Apr 21, 2020 18:03
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magic cards were a mistake. printing magic cards has been terrible for the health of magic the gathering
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https://twitter.com/crewmanwilson/status/1252405649738104848?s=21
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He's right, it is very cool.
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Did.... did he just notice? Tweet back that if you look close enough at the background of the Mothra card, there are skyscrapers.
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LifeLynx posted:It wouldn't surprise me to see more of this now that every WotC employee is working from home and sending files back and forth. Were there any future spoilers or was it just Ikoria? RTRTZEN has nothing so ambitious as this, I can tell you.
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Apr 21, 2020 18:43
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:RTRTZEN has nothing so ambitious as this, I can tell you. 
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TacoNight posted:Did.... did he just notice? Tweet back that if you look close enough at the background of the Mothra card, there are skyscrapers. Don't tell him Mechagodzilla is a robot shooting missiles, Mothra's Great Cocoon is lit by a helicopter, or that Ghidora is also fighting jets.
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Apr 21, 2020 18:47
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Don't tell him Mechagodzilla is a robot shooting missiles, Mothra's Great Cocoon is lit by a helicopter, or that Ghidora is also fighting jets. First and foremost Mechagodzilla is a dirty cheating fucker that ruins drafts
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Apr 21, 2020 19:27
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Irony Be My Shield posted:It is funny when MaRo has to go out and defend a bad decision he has passionately argued against in the past (no dragons at Common in the set 'Dragons of Tarkir' is another example I remember). its funny that both this and finding "morph plus" were problems that plagued DTK through all of design when they could have done the easiest loving slam dunk by combining the two
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Apr 21, 2020 19:28
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TacoNight posted:Yeah, add in some vanilla companions with weak or even no deck building requirement. Everyone gets an eighth card! The Cave Land Companion The Cave enters the battlefield tapped. T: Add colorless
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Apr 21, 2020 19:41
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PJOmega posted:The Cave The issue is the turn after you play this you gain a dawning awareness that you've only been seeing the shadows of an actual fun game that's been happening on the table behind you.
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Apr 21, 2020 19:48
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:I'm still miffed they lump companions as one huge thing because 1) it's a really reductive view of the problem because it places the blame solely on the companion ability instead of on the design they went with where it's actually quite easy to meet their conditions because they're really broad, and some decks do by accident i.e. Lurrus and low-curve decks in eternal formats 2) the standard list with Kaheera, the Orphanguard deserves some loving credit for being really clever about meeting the condition by playing a creatureless 5c superfriends list. I mean, I threw Kaheera into my pre-Ikoria Jeskai superfriends list but I didn't feel like a genius for removing a card from my sideboard to make room. It's as freeroll as it gets, even more so than the modern decks cutting three drops from their list to run Lurrus.
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Apr 21, 2020 19:54
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I can't wait until they print a companion cryptic command with the condition that all your spells must be instants or have flash
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A light at the end of the tunnel: https://twitter.com/tylerjjobrien/status/1252659769422286849?s=21
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Apr 21, 2020 20:03
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Kurieg posted:The issue is the turn after you play this you gain a dawning awareness that you've only been seeing the shadows of an actual fun game that's been happening on the table behind you. 
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Apr 21, 2020 20:19
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Bust Rodd posted:A light at the end of the tunnel: This deck is two cards away from being able to add Jegantha as a companion. They cannot be escaped from.
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DreamScythe posted:This deck is two cards away from being able to add Jegantha as a companion. They cannot be escaped from. Finale of Devastation is 10x better than Jegantha, though.
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Toshimo posted:Finale of Devastation is 10x better than Jegantha, though. Hour, not Finale. In the comments he said he tested both ways and Hour outweighed having Jegantha as companion though, yeah.
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Kurieg posted:The issue is the turn after you play this you gain a dawning awareness that you've only been seeing the shadows of an actual fun game that's been happening on the table behind you. A child proudly holds up 90 forests and proclaims behold a deck of magic cards.
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Apr 21, 2020 22:08
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PJOmega posted:A child proudly holds up 90 forests and proclaims behold a deck of magic cards. You softly offer a hearty congratulations and return to gnawing on your spit covered rock.
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The only reason Hour is better than the companion is because hour hits walkers. They'll print some RB/RW spell at some point that does a similar thing and then niv too will play a commander
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Countin’ down the days till we get a walker with companion
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Tainen posted:Countin’ down the days till we get a walker with companion
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No Wave posted:Remember how core 2021 is the teferi set? we won't be waiting long! There aren’t any walkers with companion but there might be one with the word Phase on it...
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Teferi, the broken 3uw Companion: your deck contains at least 12 Teferi Planeswalkers Your opponent can't play spells +1: until the end of your next turn you may cast spells as if they had flash and without paying their mana cost. 1000000 loyalty
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Apr 21, 2020 22:50
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Kurieg posted:Teferi, the broken Eh, maybe if it were one mana cheaper.
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Apr 21, 2020 22:55
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Tainen posted:There aren’t any walkers with companion but there might be one with the word Phase on it... hell yeah gonna make people skip their combat phase, just like richard garfield intended
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Phasing is a cool and easily grokkable mechanic that has some really cool design possibilities
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Tainen posted:There aren’t any walkers with companion but there might be one with the word Phase on it...
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sit on my Facebook posted:Phasing is a cool and easily grokkable mechanic that has some really cool design possibilities Yeah now that there isn't a phasing zone or many of the other attempts at making it work, it's good again. "Treat this as though it didn't exist until the next turn starts" is more easily understandable than mutate. Nothing about it changes, it doesn't trigger enter/leave play abilities, it just doesn't exist.
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No Wave posted:+1: Choose a phase. Your opponent skips that phase next turn. -2: Choose a phase. Until the end of your next turn, all players skip that phase.
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No Wave posted:+1: Choose a phase. Your opponent skips that phase next turn. StrugglingHoneybun posted:-2: Choose a phase. Until the end of your next turn, all players skip that phase. looooooooooooooooooool Naming Beggining Phase with either of these would absolutely destroy people worse than pretty much any card in history.
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Toshimo posted:looooooooooooooooooool If it's a phase skip it will be modelledafter Fatespinner.
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