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Roth posted:Yeah, the Shonen Jump sub is a no brainer if you like those mangas. I would have been happy with it if it was just "Get the new chapters immediately" but it also includes nearly everything. And if you do want just "get the new chapters immediately," that's free!
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i think it is time for the story about reincarnating as sephiroth. we as a society are ready for it
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Lessail posted:i think it is time for the story about reincarnating as sephiroth. we as a society are ready for it
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Julias posted:I'm curious, have you tried Hamefura (Bakarina?) I think if you're enjoying Kaguya you might enjoy it as well. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3919866 I really hate Isekai, the only one I've ever enjoyed was Konosuba, so I haven't tried it. If it's particularly good I'll give it a go, thanks for the recommendation!
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Kwyndig posted:Alright, time to watch Lucky Star backwards at double speed! followed by haruhi in reverse chronological order
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Zetsubou-san posted:followed by haruhi in reverse chronological order ah yes the humanity has declined broadcasting order
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Kwyndig posted:Not everyone has time for shady pirate sites hosting dodgy scanlations. Joke's on you: I get all my villainess reincarnation comics legally from Korean webtoon apps.
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Julias posted:I'm curious, have you tried Hamefura (Bakarina?) I think if you're enjoying Kaguya you might enjoy it as well. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3919866 Yeah this isn't the usual boring isekai power fantasy, this is great! Thanks for the recommendation!
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Splode posted:Yeah this isn't the usual boring isekai power fantasy, this is great! Thanks for the recommendation! Yeah, I'm glad that you're enjoying it 
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Endorph posted:literally the first otome game ever made, angelique, had this as its main gameplay hook. the premise is that you and the rival character are the two candidates to be queen. Okay, I guess part of that trope still existed back then. Still, in the opinion of someone much more familiar with otome games, how much of it is imitators riffing off Bakarina, and how much of it is people noticing the success of Bakarina and using it as an opportunity to mine the heritage of otome game culture for LN/manga ideas.
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its definitely people ripping off bakarina but bakarina itself is playing with tropes that have been around forever. heck even isekai has been pretty common in otome games since well before it was as big a genre as it is now.
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Splode posted:Yeah this isn't the usual boring isekai power fantasy, this is great! Thanks for the recommendation! You might also be interested in Ascendance of a Bookworm; it's not a power fantasy (I mean, technically, knowledge is power, but it's definitely not about someone steamrolling over all the baddies), avoids most of the annoying tropes, and also has the slice of life vibe that Bakarina has, even though I wouldn't really put them in the same genre.
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Personally, I'm waiting for the take "Bakarina is problematic as it romanticises aristocracy".Maxwell Adams posted:Make sure you don't miss the hottest action anime this season: this bike commercial. This rules.
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Dzhay posted:Personally, I'm waiting for the take "Bakarina is problematic as it romanticises aristocracy". 
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Wark Say posted:Personally, I'm waiting for someone to call attention to the fact that Bakarina seems to constantly be doing a number to her poor tummy from her practically freebasing sweets. Moderation, tiny one! "I was Reborn as an Otome Villainess with IBS."
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Dzhay posted:Personally, I'm waiting for the take "Bakarina is problematic as it romanticises aristocracy".
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I'm waiting for the crossover with Bookworm.
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Maine would have a fit if she found out that someone from earth reincarnated as a noble and read nothing but trashy romance novels in their spare time
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Dzhay posted:Personally, I'm waiting for the take "Bakarina is problematic as it romanticises aristocracy". I Favor the Villainess adaptation when
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Argue posted:You might also be interested in Ascendance of a Bookworm; it's not a power fantasy (I mean, technically, knowledge is power, but it's definitely not about someone steamrolling over all the baddies), avoids most of the annoying tropes, and also has the slice of life vibe that Bakarina has, even though I wouldn't really put them in the same genre. This one is still a power fantasy, just in a different way.
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I mean Bakarina's "everyone naturally falls in love with my goofy otaku earnestness" is also a power fantasy. It's turtles all the way down.
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I think we need a better definition of power fantasy.
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Argue posted:You might also be interested in Ascendance of a Bookworm; it's not a power fantasy (I mean, technically, knowledge is power, but it's definitely not about someone steamrolling over all the baddies), avoids most of the annoying tropes, and also has the slice of life vibe that Bakarina has, even though I wouldn't really put them in the same genre. Maine is pulling a Connecticut Yankee and a King Arthur's Court move and bringing world changing knowledge about paper making and other modern crafts to a medieval society and has made more money in the one year she's been herself than her family would likely have made in a lifetime. It's very much a power fantasy for nerds.
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Yes, she has that money, but all that money can buy for her is a standard of living that is far inferior to what she had in her normal modern day life. What she can do is improve the lives of the people around her immeasurably, but beyond having a loving family she'll never end up being better off than her starting point. EDIT: I mean her entire earnings in season 1 boiled down to what, 6 months of medical treatment for her terminal illness? Fangz fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Apr 21, 2020 |
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a lot of stories focused around one central character are kinda necessarily gonna boil down to some sort of power fantasy so i dunno how much you can really split hairs about it in isekai
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Fangz posted:Yes, she has that money, but all that money can buy for her is a standard of living that is far inferior to what she had in her normal modern day life. What she can do is improve the lives of the people around her immeasurably, but beyond having a loving family she'll never end up being better off than her starting point. Nothing really wrong with the story concept inherently regardless of label. Terrible Opinions fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Apr 22, 2020 |
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Clarste posted:I mean Bakarina's "everyone naturally falls in love with my goofy otaku earnestness" is also a power fantasy. It's turtles all the way down. Yeah honestly my original post was after watching episode 2 where it seems like it's going to be a show where she just barely avoids her doom. Episode 3 deteriorated into that you're describing and if that keeps up I'll drop the show after all.
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Power fantasies are fine and can be enjoyable and valuable art.
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the main reason i'm interested in bakarina is because i heard the girls have as much of a crush on the mc as everyone else lol
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Splode posted:Yeah honestly my original post was after watching episode 2 where it seems like it's going to be a show where she just barely avoids her doom. Episode 3 deteriorated into that you're describing and if that keeps up I'll drop the show after all.
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The Colonel posted:the main reason i'm interested in bakarina is because i heard the girls have as much of a crush on the mc as everyone else lol So far, that seems true, yeah. They're oddly matter-of-fact about it, too; I like that when when of the princes accuses Bakarina of trying to seduce his fiancée, she doesn't respond with "What are you talking about? We're both girls!" the way I expected, but just thinks to herself that he misunderstood her intentions.
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The Colonel posted:the main reason i'm interested in bakarina is because i heard the girls have as much of a crush on the mc as everyone else lol 
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literally 5head
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Endorph posted:Power fantasies are fine and can be enjoyable and valuable art.
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Not making a judgement call on it but there's definitely at least some wish-fulfillment to the premise of being Smarter and Righter than everyone all the time because you literally have cheat knowledge. Like Bakarina though I'm pretty sure Bookworm is what all the other isekais in the same vein are ripping from, and the derivatives are the ones that tend to be way meaner.
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mycot posted:Not making a judgement call on it but there's definitely at least some wish-fulfillment to the premise of being Smarter and Righter than everyone all the time because you literally have cheat knowledge.
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Grouchio posted:Please explain. I've felt bad about enjoying them for a long time cause everyone's writing them off as garbage.
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Grouchio posted:Please explain. I've felt bad about enjoying them for a long time cause everyone's writing them off as garbage. A lot of them are garbage because they cater specifically to the fantasy of how awesome you'd be if you were in x situation. With many of them written by males, they're also often quite tied up with harems and/or having one gazillion levels more than the next most powerful being in the world. This is strongly Mary Sueish and typically makes for a really boring narrative, and in the worst cases, a downright sociopathic one. Bakarina gets away with it because she's completely oblivious to all of this and it's a comedy. Bookworm gets away with it because she actually has to work for her goals and doesn't get things handed to her on a silver platter like most other isekai protagonists who end up born into royalty or bestowed an ability to defeat everything with one punch. The furthest isekai from a power fantasy that I can think of is Isekai Izakaya Nobu, because it's purely a slice of life with no real plot, and even then it's about the power that Japanese cooking has to solve all problems.
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I get nothing from power fantasies because I am already awesome and correct in every situation.
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Grouchio posted:Please explain. I've felt bad about enjoying them for a long time cause everyone's writing them off as garbage. The power fantasies in Bakarina are mostly so unsubtle as to be harmless; to reach a little, Katalina's awakening to her past life and subsequent reversal of behavior and course--emphasizing the seemingly mundane reversal of course, rather than the fantastic aeakening which causes it--could be taken to represent a kind of instant moral/psychological rebirth in which all flaws and sins are erased in a moment. This is just as much a fantasy as the harem stuff! In real life, that kind of behavioral change takes time to effect. Believing that kind of instant change to exist in the real world could lead you to, I dunno, believe that you can forever stop yourself from procrastinating merely by rejecting the idea of procrastination (an instant behaviorial shift), rather than through effective habits. But again, that's a bit of a reach.
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