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there's no problem with USB-C that can't be solved by buying good cables. if every cable in your house is capable of 20gbps then it doesn't matter which one you use. i got a cheap chinese something or other that charged over micro-usb and the cable it came with didn't even have data pins inside the connector. real mindfuck the first time i tried to use it for something else. throw that poo poo away
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pram posted:so then if i take your argument in good faith: apple should have invented two new proprietary connectors for dp-alt and tb3 (because they've always been usb-c) to address the cable issue no? i'm not sure how you're getting those ideas from what i posted. here's what i think they should and should not have done: apple shouldn't have put only usb-c ports on their laptops. i'm not saying they should have put s-video and the kitchen sink on there, but one usb-a and one hdmi on the bigger laptops is not that big of an ask and solves many problems for many users. it's been how many years since the first usb-c only macbooks? usb-c isn't yet universal, apple seems to be in denial about this, and they're trying to change the situation through stubborn force of will which clearly hasn't worked so far. A Wheezy Steampunk fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Apr 22, 2020 |
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Sagebrush posted:there's no problem with USB-C that can't be solved by buying good cables. if every cable in your house is capable of 20gbps then it doesn't matter which one you use. doesn't apple ship a power-only usb-c cable with the macbooks? this is another thing within apple's control.
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lol straight up being That Laptop Nerd right now
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MrMoo posted:The recommended Dell workstation my niece is using on an architect degree looks similarly fugly. At least they are trying on the desktops I guess? It's more an industrial look though. Oof, starting price is $6,045, i.e. workstation price without a Xeon or Quadro. quote:Base Specs • 32GB DDR4 3600MHz RAM • 512GB 970 PRO NVMe SSD • i9-9900K Series Enhanced Processor • 2070 RTX Super 8GB NVIDIA GPU • Custom Liquid Cooling Systems w/ 360mm Radiator • High Performance ASUS Motherboard • Windows 10 PRO OEM 5.2Ghz base clock on all cores is quite nice though. idk what to buy, Falcon, Origin, Alienware, Boxx, BimBox, Titan Computers, Ava Direct, all have crazy price machines, and also a lot of stupid low end junk. I guess just shove random poo poo into a box, spray it pink, and watch it explode like D.Va.
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https://www.macrumors.com/2020/04/15/apple-mac-pro-wheel-kit/quote:Apple today introduced a Mac Pro Wheels kit designed for the Mac Pro, which adds wheels to the machine after purchase. The kit is priced at $699. 
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yeah I saw those on the site the other day but didn't even bother to look at the price because I don't give a poo poo about all that weird Mac Pro tat that they sell like that insane display system
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A Wheezy Steampunk posted:doesn't apple ship a power-only usb-c cable with the macbooks? this is another thing within apple's control. I looked at this a bunch once since Apple's description of what TH3 is is so vague. There are no "charge only" USB-C cables. (If some Amazon/ali express seller does actually sell one that can't move data, don't use them, it will fry your charger, device, or both). This and other "charging" USB-C cables are USB 2.0 spec, but marketed as charge cables since their bandwidth is low. Get a good 20GB or TB3 cable and it will do all the things you want. I don't think there is a dedicated HDMI/DisplaypPort type USB-C, cables for your monitors are probably just normal 20GB cables.
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cybrancyborg posted:I looked at this a bunch once since Apple's description of what TH3 is is so vague. There are no "charge only" USB-C cables. (If some Amazon/ali express seller does actually sell one that can't move data, don't use them, it will fry your charger, device, or both). This and other "charging" USB-C cables are USB 2.0 spec, but marketed as charge cables since their bandwidth is low. Get a good 20GB or TB3 cable and it will do all the things you want. I don't think there is a dedicated HDMI/DisplaypPort type USB-C, cables for your monitors are probably just normal 20GB cables. so the cable that comes with a macbook is a usb2 cable with usb-c plugs? or did i misunderstand?
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did we resolve smth smth nintendo switch itt
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A Wheezy Steampunk posted:so the cable that comes with a macbook is a usb2 cable with usb-c plugs? or did i misunderstand? Yeah. USB-C is the connector, not the cable.
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theadder posted:did we resolve smth smth nintendo switch itt it's a good video game console, op
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Sagebrush posted:there's no problem with USB-C that can't be solved by buying good cables. if every cable in your house is capable of 20gbps then it doesn't matter which one you use. kinda. there are 20gbps cables that dont work with dp alt for some reason A Wheezy Steampunk posted:it's been how many years since the first usb-c only macbooks? usb-c isn't yet universal, apple seems to be in denial about this, and they're trying to change the situation through stubborn force of will which clearly hasn't worked so far. usb-c is on most every laptop and phone
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cybrancyborg posted:I looked at this a bunch once since Apple's description of what TH3 is is so vague. There are no "charge only" USB-C cables. (If some Amazon/ali express seller does actually sell one that can't move data, don't use them, it will fry your charger, device, or both). This and other "charging" USB-C cables are USB 2.0 spec, but marketed as charge cables since their bandwidth is low. Get a good 20GB or TB3 cable and it will do all the things you want. I don't think there is a dedicated HDMI/DisplaypPort type USB-C, cables for your monitors are probably just normal 20GB cables. the minimum for usb-c is 60w so there are in fact "charging cables" for 20v5a lol
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oh ya usb schutzstaffel edition
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A Wheezy Steampunk posted:it's a good video game console, op can we know without using it op
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pram posted:usb-c is on most every laptop and phone sure, but what about monitors and projectors? usb headsets? (very relevant these days), usb drives? (i've seen a lot of drives that have both a and c and we're probably going to be stuck with those for a while)
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theadder posted:can we know without using it op what does it really mean to "know" things, op?
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You're plugging it in wrong, OP.
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A Wheezy Steampunk posted:sure, but what about monitors and projectors? usb headsets? (very relevant these days), usb drives? (i've seen a lot of drives that have both a and c and we're probably going to be stuck with those for a while) the answer is yes to everything. you might be surprised to see what port is available on the back of an rtx video card 
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pram posted:usb-c is on most every laptop and phone with one notable exception lol
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Jenny Agutter posted:with one notable exception lol this is because proprietary connections are good for consumers
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A Wheezy Steampunk posted:what does it really mean to "know" things, op? a priori or a posteriori op?
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pram posted:the minimum for usb-c is 60w so there are in fact "charging cables" for 20v5a lol These would still have to be able to move data to not start a fire. You've got Ipads Pro charging @ 18w, MacBooks regular & Air charge @ ~30w, the 13" Pros @ ~60w, and 15" Pros @ ~80w all over USB-C. You can safely use any of their chargers w/ any of the others because the cable has (like everything else in TYOOL 2020) a tiny ARM-based PC in it that polls the thing at each end to see what wattages it takes, and negotiates something they can both do. If your charger didn't identify itself (because it's cheap garbage) or the cable couldn't do negotiation (because it's cheap garbage), the device being charged would just throw up it's hands, yell "Open the floodgates!" and pull it's max wattage, and if that exactly matches your charger's ability you you'd luck out. If it didn't, well, your charger will melt while trying to do the impossible.
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ok but what happens if you use a 5v3a cable with a 96w charger
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theadder posted:a priori or a posteriori op? i think, therefore i post, op
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AFAIK a USB C standard cable should be able to do 96w. If you mean a USB-A cable then it'd be on the device & the charger to figure somethign out. If it's a USBC cable that doesn't have those 56k resistors or is otherwise nonstandard then i don't know, probably generate a lot of heat somewhere.
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dude, you don't even know how much better it sounds with the wheels installed. adds so much air, openness to the sound of the mac. like, 10x increase in clarity and phase torque
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cybrancyborg posted:AFAIK a USB C standard cable should be able to do 96w. If you mean a USB-A cable then it'd be on the device & the charger to figure somethign out. If it's a USBC cable that doesn't have those 56k resistors or is otherwise nonstandard then i don't know, probably generate a lot of heat somewhere. the usb-c charge cable that came with my 96w charger for mbp 2016 is significantly thicker than the usb-c charge cable that came with my ipad pro, so i'm not sure that is true
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oh my god I had no idea this was so hosed
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cybrancyborg posted:AFAIK a USB C standard cable should be able to do 96w. the minimum is 60w like i said. there are definitely cables intended for charging from 60w-100w so this is really pedantic saying theres no charging cables when there are (despite the fact that they carry usb 2 like that matters)
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theadder posted:oh ya usb schutzstaffel edition at first i was like "lol yeah the lightning bolt zigzag is very much like a sig rune" but then i realized the port also literally says SS lol
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pram posted:the minimum is 60w like i said. there are definitely cables intended for charging from 60w-100w so this is really pedantic saying theres no charging cables when there are (despite the fact that they carry usb 2 like that matters) okay i meant in the sense of "only being able to carry a charge, not data" because that's how i interpreted the original question
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Schadenboner posted:You're plugging it in wrong, OP. literally https://twitter.com/dalmaer/status/1252991902820909057
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astounding feat for so many organizations to come together and fail so thoroughly while giving so strong an outward appearance they had succeeded
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me: tim can you please make a laptop with a working keyboard that isn't for giants. tim, I'd like to purchase such a computer from you. tim tim: https://twitter.com/MarketWatch/status/1253040450170228737
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memory 32GB network 1Gbps gpu RTX 2080 cpu temperature 3,600°C hdd 2TB NVMe someone who is good at hardware design please help. my computer is dying
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