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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Virginia today Okay, sorry, but can someone explain "Gov Klu Klux Klan robes" to me?
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Ratspeaker posted:Okay, sorry, but can someone explain "Gov Klu Klux Klan robes" to me? Gov Northam had a blackface scandal.
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Ratspeaker posted:Okay, sorry, but can someone explain "Gov Klu Klux Klan robes" to me?
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socialsecurity posted:What gets me is all the people that talk about the Biden/DNC/Mainstream media conspiracy to destroy Bernie are the same people who shouted down even the slightest discussion of the Russian effect on 2016 because any talk of that was us simply distracting from Hillary's bad campaign. I'm going to guess there's no point in replying to this with anything but endless laughter
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Kro-Bar posted:Gov Northam had a blackface scandal. Oh neat, so we've managed to find the one protestor who's NOT cool with that.
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Apr 23, 2020 14:10
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Ratspeaker posted:Oh neat, so we've managed to find the one protestor who's NOT cool with that. Sometimes they twist themselves into enough rhetorical knots to believe it's race mixing.
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Apr 23, 2020 14:12
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Ratspeaker posted:Oh neat, so we've managed to find the one protestor who's NOT cool with that. Moral consistency isn't required. Anything to tarnish a Democrat is fair game. Hence concern over Hunter Biden but none over any Trump org/Jared Kushner bullshit.
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Apr 23, 2020 14:20
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Ghost Leviathan posted:And there's a good chance that Bernie dropped out because the Democrats had demonstated they would gladly continue marching their base to their deaths until he did. This is a really dumb talking point. There was more going on in Wisconsin than just the Democratic primaries, and more than just the presidential primary at that. The Democratic governor of the state tried to push back the primary but the GOP controlled State Supreme Court (of which one of the seats was up for reelection) struck that down and the Republican controlled congress of the state also stripped the governor of a lot of his powers once Koch-head Walker lost. The DNC is responsible for a lot of lovely things, but stop looking at the primaries and being solely a Bernie v Biden thing. Ratspeaker posted:Oh neat, so we've managed to find the one protestor who's NOT cool with that. Fauxrage is one of the staples of regressives, especially when it lets them pull out the old "Democrats are the real racists" line. Taerkar fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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Apr 23, 2020 14:21
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Ratspeaker posted:Oh neat, so we've managed to find the one protestor who's NOT cool with that. They don't care about being hypocrites if it furthers their goals.
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Apr 23, 2020 14:23
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FlamingLiberal posted:The governor had that blackface scandal Hey it wasn't proven he was in blackface! He could have been wearing the KKK robes instead, he didn't remember which he did
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Apr 23, 2020 14:26
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Taerkar posted:This is a really dumb talking point. What was the excuse they gave for pushing forward the March 17th vote? That very day on CNN Symone Sanders of the Biden campaign said "The CDC says it's safe out there" while the CDC was advocating at the time for no gatherings of 50+. Illinois is Democrat controlled and still pressed on with voting in spite of there being no real good reason to at that point, especially while Ohio managed to delay theirs. Why did everyone wait until they had a GOP punching bag narrative in Wisconsin to start giving a poo poo about pandemic voting? Solanumai fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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Apr 23, 2020 14:28
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Feldegast42 posted:Hey it wasn't proven he was in blackface! And yet he has been part of the biggest shift leftward of any state in the country  .There is hope yet.
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Blindeye posted:And yet he has been part of the biggest shift leftward of any state in the country I do have to wonder that's because if he isn't surprising people with a progressive track record he knows he's going down forever as 'the blackface and/or KKK governer'.
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I wish we were still back in that time where the biggest story was whether the Governor facing a blackface scandal attempted to do the moonwalk on stage before his wife stopped him
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Unoriginal Name posted:the old person is you. you are the old person saying progressive ideas don't work. your post is indistinguishable from that of a conservative He's not wrong though and maybe instead of being a prick you could respond to his post in good faith. Democrats consistently lost elections since the 1970s whenever they ran on a progressive platform. It's why the party turned to Clinton style third-way politics and even then, when Clinton tried to push healthcare reform, the GOP crushed them in the 1994 congressional elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections When Obama was pushing the ACA, and initially the Public Option, the Tea Party rose up and crushed Democrats in 2010 NOT because they weren't progressive enough, but because they did anything at all to try to improve healthcare We have a leftist movement now in this country, largely thanks to Trump, but it is still mostly relegated to the cities. Olds/Boomers are very conservative as is most of the country at large still. And it makes sense that many of the old school Democrats are hesitant about progressive stands considering they watched their party get slaughtered over the last 40 years whenever someone tried to run on them.
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Kaiser posted:The latest KFF Health Tracking Poll conducted April 15-20th finds about half the public (51%) now saying that when it comes to the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S., “the worst is yet to come.” This is down 23 percentage points from the share who said the same (74%) in the Early April KFF Health Tracking Poll conducted less than three weeks ago. Majorities of Democrats (64%) and independents (56%) continue to say “the worst is yet to come,” but now twice as many Republicans say “the worst is behind us” (53%) as say “the worst is yet to come” (27%). https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/9444-Figure-3.png quote:Some Republican governors have been among the strongest voices for re-opening businesses and lifting strict shelter-in-place orders sooner rather than later. However, even among Republicans living in states with Republican governors, a larger share say the strict measures are worth it (63%) than say they are causing more harm than good (36%). https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/9444-Figure-7.png Finally, Kaiser typically does a good job digging deeper with "what if I told you?" followups. Americans are very willing to change behavior for Number Go Up. https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/9444-Figure-11.png
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Trump continuing to erase Obama presidency by killing every job created for the past 11 years.
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https://twitter.com/FOXLA/status/1252383369251270659 https://twitter.com/bungdan/status/1252616639083720707 quote:A 36-year-old man pulled a knife Friday on a television news team covering an anti-lockdown protest in Huntington Beach, California. Christien Francis Petersen of Costa Mesa has been jailed on suspicion of exhibiting a deadly weapon other than a firearm and kidnapping.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:We have a leftist movement now in this country, largely thanks to Trump, but it is still mostly relegated to the cities. Olds/Boomers are very conservative as is most of the country at large still. And it makes sense that many of the old school Democrats are hesitant about progressive stands considering they watched their party get slaughtered over the last 40 years whenever someone tried to run on them. Ex-Bernie campaign people banded together to form a local DSA chapter in my area, because while getting Bernie elected would've been awesome, you're going to convince people the left is better by getting the left elected locally so people can see the direct benefit of electing lefties. It's like Roem in Virginia - she in part has done so well not because she hits some twitter post count on Marx or whatever, it's because she actually does things to bring the benefits to those she represents to show them that, actually, there is better available.
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We’re gonna hit 50,000 deaths a week prior to original estimates. poo poo is going to get real bad around the first week of May when these protesters and ghoul governors start reaping what they sowed.
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SHARIA LAW SCHOOL posted:Trump continuing to erase Obama presidency by killing every job created for the past 11 years. now: what was the population before obama?
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‘Sadness’ and Disbelief From a World Missing American Leadership https://nyti.ms/3bx7FQ0 'The country that defeated fascism in Europe 75 years ago next month, and defended democracy on the continent in the decades that followed, is doing a worse job of protecting its own citizens than many autocracies and democracies. There is a special irony: Germany and South Korea, both products of enlightened postwar American leadership, have become potent examples of best practices in the coronavirus crisis.' --- ' “Europe’s social democratic systems are not only more human, they leave us better prepared and fit to deal with a crisis like this than the more brutal capitalistic system in the United States,” Mr. Moïsi said. The current crisis, some fear, could act like an accelerator of history, speeding up a decline in influence of both the United States and Europe. “Sometime in 2021 we come out of this crisis and we will be in 2030,” said Mr. Moïsi. “There will be more Asia in the world and less West.” '
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Pants Donkey posted:We’re gonna hit 50,000 deaths a week prior to original estimates. Me sowing: Haha gently caress yeah!!! Yes!! Me reaping: *wheeze* *cough* *cough* hurrk... *cough* *wheeze* help
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Solaris 2.0 posted:We have a leftist movement now in this country, largely thanks to Trump, Bernie's surprising success in 2016 shows that this isn't true. In fact Bernie, the left, and Trump gained popularity largely for the the same reason, which is the failure of the 90s neoliberal consensus to improve people's lives.
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socialsecurity posted:What gets me is all the people that talk about the Biden/DNC/Mainstream media conspiracy to destroy Bernie are the same people who shouted down even the slightest discussion of the Russian effect on 2016 because any talk of that was us simply distracting from Hillary's bad campaign. I defintely believe that Russia had a hand in 2016. I think they actually invested money in the GOP through the NRA and other fronts. Its stupid to think this didn't happen, Troll farms can be incredibly damaging. Misinformation and blatant propaganda can poison an electorate. However I think hillary's campaign was death by a thousand paper cuts... it was kinda bad ManBoyChef fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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Pants Donkey posted:We’re gonna hit 50,000 deaths a week prior to original estimates. Whaaat?? In the US or worldwide?
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Shere posted:What was the excuse they gave for pushing forward the March 17th vote? That very day on CNN Symone Sanders of the Biden campaign said "The CDC says it's safe out there" while the CDC was advocating at the time for no gatherings of 50+. I am going to have to agree with taerker here. This was completely on the shoulders of the republicans trying to get a supreme court seat. Yes the Biden campaign was not advocating staying home but I doubt it was some conspiracy like the republicans did.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:He's not wrong though and maybe instead of being a prick you could respond to his post in good faith. Absolutely this. Clinton in 1992 ran a campaign which was centrist as hell, focusing mostly on bipartisan demands and not being one of those classic tax and spend liberals. That was an era where even if the shine had worn off of Reagan himself, his approach to government had become utterly dominant and everything else was in reaction to it. Then when he came into office he went past just passing medical leave into expanding abortion protections, trying to allow gay people to serve openly into the military, planning universal health care, and worst of all raising taxes and ramping down the Cold War military. This was all while the Southern Strategy wasn't yet finalized and the south especially still had lots of old conservative Democrats - the party's massive losses in 1994 absolutely weren't because he betrayed their progressive ideas. After that he moved right again, partly since he to a fault followed popular opinion on policies and partly since he was dealing with veto-proof right-wing bills coming in. Obama 2008 ran as a bipartisanship elemental, if anything even more centrist than Clinton's. His early presidency mirrored closely too: expanding workplace protections and gay rights, rolling back anti-abortion rules from the Bush administration, and trying to close Guantanamo Bay against bipartisan opposition in Congress. Also the second round of bailouts and two new women in SCOTUS. None of those are dramatic lefty stuff, and some of those were his campaign promises, but the 2010 freakout and Tea Party wave didn't happen because eager 2008 leftists stayed home over a rightward shift. If you backed 2008 Obama or (for the olds) 1992 Clinton because you expected way more progressive than what you got, you just weren't paying attention. Which isn't anything to be ashamed of. You were younger and less politically engaged, and both were young hip guys running against old stodgy guys. At least you didn't get into Pete this year, right? You're older and wiser now. And one big difference between now and then is that there's a progressive movement which actively will turn out in state and local elections. Even in midterms.
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booseek posted:‘Sadness’ and Disbelief From a World Missing American Leadership https://nyti.ms/3bx7FQ0 Holy poo poo this is the most bootlicking article I've ever seen out of the NYT Yeah, I'm sure that Europeans are sewing American flags in secret, marking the day that our enlightened rule comes to hold judgement over all
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Solaris 2.0 posted:He's not wrong though and maybe instead of being a prick you could respond to his post in good faith. The media has a really big hand in this. Every time progressive policies are being discussed the media thinks they have to both sides everything which leads to them normalizing the idea that we cant do anything for the citizens.
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Why? Really, why, why do this? It's a stupid waste. And surprise, those people it's supposed to be for are the ones that will be inside working unable to see it because surprise, you can't ask someone to pause their death because you want to go see some planes
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SocketWrench posted:Why? Really, why, why do this? It's a stupid waste. And surprise, those people it's supposed to be for are the ones that will be inside working unable to see it because surprise, you can't ask someone to pause their death because you want to go see some planes They do constant airshows all year as it is, 1-2 a week. With those presumably not happening, it's presumably just continuing their already budgeted operations, moving the site from "visible from paying crowd at airport" to "visible from people in town", and saying it's a tribute to medical responders instead.
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HelloSailorSign posted:
Roem is a perfect example of how to get a really good progressive elected in a (formerly) very conservative area. She ran on fixing the roads, and by correctly pointing out their rep at the time, noted piece of poo poo Bob Marshall, was ignoring them. And she won, and keeps winning. She wasn't some firebrand leftist, she just focused on local issues and concerns. She just happens to be an amazing person and progressive too! Just so everyone knows, read up on the person she beat, he's a huge piece of poo poo and refused to debate her. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Marshall_(Virginia_politician) quote:During her campaign, Marshall tried to use her gender identity against her by not using her personal pronouns and refusing to debate her.[25] Marshall also stated that she was not a real woman because she will never be able to get cervical or ovarian cancer.[25] Solaris 2.0 fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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SocketWrench posted:Why? Really, why, why do this? It's a stupid waste. And surprise, those people it's supposed to be for are the ones that will be inside working unable to see it because surprise, you can't ask someone to pause their death because you want to go see some planes
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Shere posted:Why did everyone wait until they had a GOP punching bag narrative in Wisconsin to start giving a poo poo about pandemic voting? You know why
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3rdEyeDeuteranopia posted:Olympia had an estimated 1500 at the Capitol, so it's a lot more than just dozens. Washington has been mostly shut down for about the longest in the US too. I kind of expect larger numbers from Washington, that's where the idiot Nazis like to congregate the most
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Solaris 2.0 posted:During her campaign, Marshall tried to use her gender identity against her by not using her personal pronouns and refusing to debate her.[25] Marshall also stated that she was not a real woman because she will never be able to get cervical or ovarian cancer.[25] So if we ever find a way to completely eradicate all cancer incidence, women will cease to exist VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Roem is a perfect example of how to get a really good progressive elected in a (formerly) very conservative area. The stuff that Bernie was advocating is pretty moderate. What do you think we need to offer to get progressives into office?
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