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Darth Walrus posted:The Tomb Kings are human too. Just... ehh... vitally-challenged. That's actually a manifestation from Alex Jones's nightmare UN one world globalist gay socialist army crispix fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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XMNN posted:It just seems like an ideological opposition to masks for some reason, and I can't guess what. Maybe it's because they've made all these statements about how masks will give you the disease because you'll touch your face (cf Austria where millions have died as a result of compulsory mask-related infections) and they don't want to back down? If everyone in the country is able to pick up a five pack of surgical masks on ebay it'll raise awkward questions about why the nhs can't get them.
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Jedit posted:And a non-zero number of people will be there because B&Q sell dust masks. Apparently someone at the 1922 committee was saying that gardening centres and DIY stores should be among the first businesses to reopen. I think home owners maybe have a bit of a different definition of essential business to struggling renters here, probably.
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The downside of asking the public to wear facemasks is that it would exacerbate our already-horrendous nationwide PPE shortage. The only way to remedy that would be to flood the market with cheap, crap, unsafe masks that do nothing but lure people into a false sense of security and encourage dangerous behaviour.
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XMNN posted:It just seems like an ideological opposition to masks for some reason, and I can't guess what. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIDk_BcU_ek Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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Darth Walrus posted:The downside of asking the public to wear facemasks is that it would exacerbate our already-horrendous nationwide PPE shortage. The only way to remedy that would be to flood the market with cheap, crap, unsafe masks that do nothing but lure people into a false sense of security and encourage dangerous behaviour. Except surely even using something like a buff over your mouth is going to help reduce things to an extent. Is it as good as an N95? Of course not. Would it do something? Well it'd catch some of your exhalations so... probably?
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Sad Panda posted:Except surely even using something like a buff over your mouth is going to help reduce things to an extent. Is it as good as an N95? Of course not. Would it do something? Well it'd catch some of your exhalations so... probably? The argument I've heard made is that you quite quickly make anything covering your mouth & nose wet with the condensation/droplets from your breath, which you then essentially force out through the gaps in the material as you exhale anyway... Has that been shown to be nonsense at all?
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Cultlife posted:The argument I've heard made is that you quite quickly make anything covering your mouth & nose wet with the condensation/droplets from your breath, which you then essentially force out through the gaps in the material as you exhale anyway... sounds plausible, and actual surgical masks are more complex than just a sheet of cotton or polyester, but then the headline of that article is that they are possibly going to advise using scarves as masks so who knows really
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XMNN posted:sounds plausible, and actual surgical masks are more complex than just a sheet of cotton or polyester, but then the headline of that article is that they are possibly going to advise using scarves as masks It's all very well banning scarves but if you can't get hold of masks what are you supposed to do? I can't think that using a scarf and practising social distancing and avoiding slipstreams of walkers/cyclists is of no use at all, though I can quite see if you are in a close environment or working with covid-19 infected people that it is probably useless. Ed: I was talking to someone the other day who works in Primary Care and they're getting donations in from people busily making masks from old duvet covers and so on and she said they can't use them because they don't have the means to sterilize them properly, yet our local facebook groups are full of people making them, making knitted bands to hold them on and so forth. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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Back of napkin math here, but with the latest serological data from France and US I think we can be more confident that IFR is between 0.5 - 1%. Perhaps 0.03% for under 40s, up to 2% for other 80s. So, the great herd immunity plan would have taken us up to around 4 - 5 million dead probably. I can't see how you do anything but just live with supression until we find something that can lower that death rate.
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4-5 million would be about 8% of the UK population.
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OwlFancier posted:4-5 million would be about 8% of the UK population.
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That number would probably also indicate around 20% of Greater London has been infected as well, so the lockdown must be leading to the falling hospitalisation and deaths rates there rather than immunity. So, good news that lock-down can bring the infection rate down?
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ahahaha. This is precisely what you'd expect from someone whose "unity" response was to immediately start an investigation into who did the leak, and then try and interpret the membership's increasing anger as a desire for that investigation The problem for him isn't the behaviour, it's that the behaviour was seen and reacted to in a way that wasn't "unity" excellent  peacock butterflies are very very pretty
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https://www.gaystarnews.com/article/uk-launches-unprecedented-attack-on-trans-rights-will-ban-transition-before-18/ Oh dear, this is more than a bit poo poo.
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Josef bugman posted:https://www.gaystarnews.com/article/uk-launches-unprecedented-attack-on-trans-rights-will-ban-transition-before-18/ I mean, why wouldn't they take the opportunity of a massive crisis to push through unpopular regressive bullshit that hurts people?
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There was a follow up tweet after the meeting: https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1253358572156719105 And good stuff from the youth rep on the NEC: https://twitter.com/lara_eleanor/status/1253370028868677632
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A few people on twitter have pointed out that this TERF bullshit could turn over Gillick competence, which is basically what allows kids to have say over their own medical treatment without parental consent/knowledge. So, yknow, to Defend Are Girls they're, uh, stopping them being able to access sexual health clinics.
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Tarnop posted:There was a follow up tweet after the meeting: I hope these are right!
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Josef bugman posted:https://www.gaystarnews.com/article/uk-launches-unprecedented-attack-on-trans-rights-will-ban-transition-before-18/ All it takes is medical professionals declaring that puberty being allowed to proceed is a 'harmful irreversible step' and that part of the legislation is mostly defanged.
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bionic vapour boy posted:A few people on twitter have pointed out that this TERF bullshit could turn over Gillick competence, which is basically what allows kids to have say over their own medical treatment without parental consent/knowledge. So, yknow, to Defend Are Girls they're, uh, stopping them being able to access sexual health clinics. You say that like the people doing this kind of poo poo care about women's reproductive health.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I hope these are right! I'm still a member for now, so when the terms of reference are shared I'll post or summarise them here
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bionic vapour boy posted:A few people on twitter have pointed out that this TERF bullshit could turn over Gillick competence, which is basically what allows kids to have say over their own medical treatment without parental consent/knowledge. So, yknow, to Defend Are Girls they're, uh, stopping them being able to access sexual health clinics. It's always about control, so that's probably half the point.
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thespaceinvader posted:You say that like the people doing this kind of poo poo care about women's reproductive health. Touche, yeah. I do sometimes make the mistake of taking them at their word when really they just want people like me to give up all this boy nonsense and pop out some babies. You know, for feminism.
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Anyone know if ASDA have a dedicate time period for vulnerable people to use their store?
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bessantj posted:Anyone know if ASDA have a dedicate time period for vulnerable people to use their store? About a quarter way down this page: https://www.which.co.uk/news/2020/04/supermarkets-coronavirus-latest/ Doesn't really mention 'vulnerable' only NHS but possibly the same.
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bessantj posted:Anyone know if ASDA have a dedicate time period for vulnerable people to use their store? NHS yes, elderly and vulnerable, no.
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bessantj posted:Anyone know if ASDA have a dedicate time period for vulnerable people to use their store? This is their vulnerable customers help page. Most supermarkets have moved from having a dedicated time in store to prioritising vulnerable customers for delivery slots. There's details of how you might get one of these slots on the page I linked. If the person in question doesn't already have an Asda account then it looks like you might have to jump through some hoops to get access.
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CLAP CLAP TIME!!! EVERYBODY CLAP CLAP 
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Clap for the NHS now literally so loud and obnoxious it just woke up my 1yo son, nice.
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crispix posted:CLAP CLAP TIME!!! EVERYBODY CLAP CLAP Clap ma baws
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The only clapping I will do is my own god drat rear end cheeks and I don't know how to do that.
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OwlFancier posted:The only clapping I will do is my own god drat rear end cheeks and I don't know how to do that. You gotta get dummy thicc.
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That was well coordinated this week, as the clapping subsided the potting and panning remained strong.
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I can't get enough of are Dan
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bessantj posted:Anyone know if ASDA have a dedicate time period for vulnerable people to use their store? As others have said, they don't, but the two I've seen in the last week strongly suggest that 8-9am on Tuesday and Thursday (Mon, Wed and Fri being reserved for NHS) is the golden hour - no visible queues outside.
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Fireworks here. No idea where they're getting them from because the village hardware store that sells them has been shut since lockdown.bionic vapour boy posted:Gillick competence
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Five minutes of clapping, including one cowbell, and second wave of clapping after three minutes
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