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SUNKOS posted:Nothing I posted was a lie. it takes two seconds to confirm this directly from sony  and theres no wiggle room, thats exactly what actual backwards compatibility is. all hardware compatible consoles in the past have had a handful of edge case games that they cant get to work properly and so arent supported, but like when i mentioned the ds, in that case it was 20 out of over 2000 titles. this is normal, this is also how the series x will work. it is confirmed. just a lie. quote:You're correct that we have no idea how the new consoles will run multiplats, but we do know which one has the more powerful hardware. Again, just a simple fact because the specs are out there. You can make a case that maybe devs won't make use of the extra power, though. given the current state of things where the one x and pro on multiplats are either close or the same when the one x has a larger advantage in pure numbers, its a pretty solid case to make, but we wont know until both consoles are out and we have data, which is what i said. quote:As for noise, the original Xbox One was completely silent at launch. I don't know if it ran hotter but it was definitely a silent console. the launch xbox one had a persistent issue with coil whine. the launch ps4 is extremely quiet, the ps4 slim is the quietest of all of the xbone and ps4 models. the ps4 pro is a loud machine with bad fan noise issues while the one x is much quieter. quote:Digital Foundry has had a Series X running all-day and said it was completely silent. I know you don't like them however so maybe we could pretend that they're lying and it's a conspiracy? Given the design and size of the Series X and the fact people have had hands-on with it however, I'm inclined to believe reports that much like the One, it's a silent console. Ever since the red ring of death disaster with the 360, Microsoft has not taken any chances with hardware and it shows. For now however we know that the Series X runs silently. Regarding the PS5 all we know is Sony just recently patented a large heatsink design and we know what the controller looks like. this is a very long way of admitting we dont know which console will be quieter or louder, and contrary to what you originally claimed, the ps4 base and slim arent loud consoles at all. the slim especially is extraordinarily quiet. so again, we wont know until theyre both out and tested, which is what i said. quote:Nothing dishonest there. No lies. Just cold hard facts. Lying to the guy is a lovely thing to do, let him make an informed decision. its fine if you like xbox more but you shouldnt lie to someone honestly asking for advice, its insanely gross and weird.
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SUNKOS posted:Maybe, if you're still running a 56k modem. Getting so upset about all those PS4 games being available to play on PC is silly though. i have a fibre connection with exceptionally low latency due to where i live, which means i regularly see sub 10ms pings to game servers. im also lucky enough to live in a country where data caps dont exist. even in my extremely exceptional location i would never tell people that game streaming services are an acceptable replacement for anything, because even for me things like psnow and stadia, both of which ive tested, are utterly inconsistent because the idea of streaming games from a server in this way is completely stupid and near impossible to engineer correctly. to suggest it as a replacement is comical. youre talking nonsense to someone genuinely asking for advice. dont.
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DrNutt posted:You can play Spider-Man and Bloodborne on PC right now in the same way that you can masturbate to a scrambled porn channel, getting what your brain tells you is the occasional glimpse of something sexy, I guess. Hawt
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Why the hell is this thread just PS fanboys just proselytizing their console? Nobody gives a poo poo and it's exhausting. I feel like it's been that way for years but... The mods don't care?
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BonoMan posted:Why the hell is this thread just PS fanboys just proselytizing their console? That's not really what this conversation was about? I own both consoles and I think the bone x has been really solid, but if you want to play Spider-Man or Bloodborne, you should probably get a PS4 instead of trying to stream them via an extremely scattershot and mediocre service.
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Let's see what the first hit I get for Bloodborne is as an example... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcaV-v8VItk Alright, so he beats the first werewolf barehanded with no issues, can do parries/dodges fine and is basically steamrolling everything without the issues you guys are pretending make the game supposedly unplayable on PC. The only real faults are the poor framepacing that's part of the original game and was sadly never fixed, and the person playing choosing the saw cleaver rather than the axe and not inverting his Y-axis v  v I don't think you have access to the Old Hunters DLC on PC however which is something to legitimately complain about because it absolutely owns.Stux posted:it takes two seconds to confirm this directly from sony Thanks for proving my point  As for everything else, hard disagree on launch/standard PS4s being quiet. I'll just take your word for it regarding the Slim model and the coil whine. Also, the only insanely gross and weird thing here is that someone with a rap sheet for fanboy shitposting like you still continues to do so. You should have grown out of it years ago my man, YCS is gone, the rest of us just chill and play games on everything without the console warrior nonsense. Now quit getting mad at video games.
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SUNKOS posted:Sony talked up a lot of features when the PS4 was unveiled that just never materialized or got dropped entirely so it's best to take everything PS5-related with a pinch of salt until it's out there and players can see what actually works and what stuff developers actually utilize. I must admit to being curious as to what this entails.
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BonoMan posted:Why the hell is this thread just PS fanboys just proselytizing their console? The old mods did, hence the rap sheets on the shitposters. Louisgod & Axemaniac etc. just got tired of it though so stopped modding. If they were still around Stux & co. would have been barred from the thread long ago and have an extra page or two of bans/probations by now. Seedge posted:I must admit to being curious as to what this entails. Remember when they demonstrated letting people take over your games and play on your system? It seemed like it would be useful for stuff like if you get stuck on a really annoying boss but if you know someone that can stomp it you can just let them take over your console and grab some popcorn. Am I wrong and they actually kept that in as part of the OS? Seriously, I thought they dropped that and if it's actually been a feature this whole time then welp. Would have been useful for so many things.
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I liked the 360 so much more than the xbone and the Switch is basically "Nintendo games, Indies, and 360 ports" which is why it's the Best Console
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BonoMan posted:Why the hell is this thread just PS fanboys just proselytizing their console? If you want 2 posts a week about xbox subscribe to their twitter.
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SUNKOS posted:Remember when they demonstrated letting people take over your games and play on your system? It seemed like it would be useful for stuff like if you get stuck on a really annoying boss but if you know someone that can stomp it you can just let them take over your console and grab some popcorn. Am I wrong and they actually kept that in as part of the OS? Seriously, I thought they dropped that and if it's actually been a feature this whole time then welp. Would have been useful for so many things. There's a share screen/remote play feature, I've used it to play couch co-op games over the internet before, but I think yes there is an option to relinquish control to another person as well? But I thought Xbox had that too? Regardless it's not something I've had much occasion to use, but a neat idea in theory. Subject to the same whims of latency as anything else though, so ymmv as to how useful it is depending on host connection/guest connection/everything in between.
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SUNKOS posted:Remember when they demonstrated letting people take over your games and play on your system? It seemed like it would be useful for stuff like if you get stuck on a really annoying boss but if you know someone that can stomp it you can just let them take over your console and grab some popcorn. Am I wrong and they actually kept that in as part of the OS? Seriously, I thought they dropped that and if it's actually been a feature this whole time then welp. Would have been useful for so many things. Yeah it's called Share Play, added with a system update in 2014
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That's Share Play, which launched in 2014, around Christmas time I think? I use it pretty regularly to play Streets Of Rage with a friend who doesn't own the Mega Drive Collection. It has a one hour time limit so you can't leave the console and let a friend play the entirety of a game while you're at a work, but it works pretty well.
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Holy crap they actually had it this whole time?! And yeah I wasn't thinking of remote play where you play on your Vita but where you could invite someone to just use/play your console. There have been so many times I wished I could use that. Freakin' WELP 
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Seedge posted:That's Share Play, which launched in 2014, around Christmas time I think? I use it pretty regularly to play Streets Of Rage with a friend who doesn't own the Mega Drive Collection. It has a one hour time limit so you can't leave the console and let a friend play the entirety of a game while you're at a work, but it works pretty well. Share play has honestly never worked properly for me. Majority of the time it just fails to connect to my friends, and when it does connect most the time it just feeds a blue playstation logo to the person i'm sharing to or there is no audible music on my friend's side (but still sfx). Not to mention every time I try to share play outside of my state it just tells me "This feature is not available in your region".
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So people in this thread like being lied to and being willfully stupid? Because that's the vibe I get. When people post blatant lies and are told differently it's not being a fanboy it's being truthful. PlayStation/Nintendo/PC comes up in conversation about Xbox because that's how loving bad Xbox has been this generation. Buying an Xbox over literally anything else is just admitting "I want the worst thing out with the super limited games selection". When people can just accept that and admit to it then there wouldn't be a problem. The good thing about Xbox is that you can just buy the console and pay 15 bucks a month for game pass and be set. Don't even have to buy a game unless you want some 360/OG Xbox stuff. That should be the selling point not being the "Netflix of games" bulllshit.
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theres no point in arguing with people who say shut up about the ps4 and then immediately go into theory rants about the ps4 in the same post. we've reminded them we have xboxes as well many times. the mods are doing a great job. me, I cant believe the ram, in the flight sim beta im still not in yet. please let me in ethanol fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Apr 25, 2020 |
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I think basically anything anyone cares about on PS4 will work on PS5. I think Sony's phrasing is just them covering their rear end. Every console they ever put out with backwards compatibility had some titles on the fringes that didn't work quite right (e.g. the PS1 version of Wing Commander III doesn't work on any PS2 I don't think, along with a few other games you've likely never heard of). I think some of you don't appreciate just how many titles there are on PlayStation consoles, especially if you include Japan. Like, PS Now by itself offers more titles (over 800) than Xbox One has backwards compatible titles overall (576 titles). poo poo, not that I'm your typical customer, but I'm not exactly uber-rich buying everything that comes out and I still own close to 1000 titles digitally on PS4 (this includes PS+ games). If you wanted to test every single game start to finish (basically getting the Platinum Trophy in it at the very least), that is a LOT of testing. On top of this, for better or worse, some of these titles are a particularly special kind of janky, with framerates bouncing all over the place and similar wonkiness. You can tell just by looking at how it runs that it would make your console catch fire if it ran even the slightest bit out of spec. This means prioritizing. They're not going to delay the PS5 because they need more time to get a title like this one 100% working in a backwards compatible mode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD8IdhhQyaQ I could also see them not looking much into certain tiers of titles, but I expect most of these would work anyway: Really old sports games, especially launch-era ones (oh no, my NBA Live 14!) Discontinued games, especially bad ones (e.g. Tony Hawk Pro Skater 5, Godzilla) Anything that's download-only and the kind of thing whose quality suggests the game's development was the result of some sort of money laundering scheme (see above). I expect any game you can order directly from Amazon (not a third party) and any non-discontinued game that's sold >1000 copies and/or been printed to a disc officially will work at launch. Ultimately I think it's going to be like Boost Mode was on the PS4 Pro, where Sony was cagey about allowing it as an option and basically said all bets were off as to whether or not a game would work with it enabled, and there was only like one game that crashed with it (SOMA) which got very quickly patched anyway.
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SUNKOS posted:Let's see what the first hit I get for Bloodborne is as an example... no streaming service is consistent and its absolutely dishonest to push it as a legitimate option over owning a console, and even if it worked perfectly the increased data usage alone renders it entirely unusable for most of the US. you might as well start telling people to game on stadia. its garbage. quote:Thanks for proving my point what point? it says right there the 100 number was purely what has been tested so far and that the majority of the 4000+ titles on ps4 will play on ps5, with performance enhancements where possible. this is exactly the same as all other hardware based backwards compatibility systems because thats how these things work. theyre not doing xbone 360 bc where each individual game needs work, theyre using hardware bc the same as the series x or the 3ds. all bc requires testing of all titles it could possibly cover because there are always always edge cases which leave a small number of games unable to work. youre either being dishonest or youve got soup for brains. quote:As for everything else, hard disagree on launch/standard PS4s being quiet. I'll just take your word for it regarding the Slim model and the coil whine. Also, the only insanely gross and weird thing here is that someone with a rap sheet for fanboy shitposting like you still continues to do so. You should have grown out of it years ago my man, YCS is gone, the rest of us just chill and play games on everything without the console warrior nonsense. youre the only one being a console warrior, ive even said to buy an xbox if xbox exclusives are more attractive to you than sony ones and that if the series x is cheaper than the ps5 at launch ill be more interested in it than the ps5. SUNKOS posted:The old mods did, hence the rap sheets on the shitposters. Louisgod & Axemaniac etc. just got tired of it though so stopped modding. If they were still around Stux & co. would have been barred from the thread long ago and have an extra page or two of bans/probations by now. mod sass quote:Remember when they demonstrated letting people take over your games and play on your system? It seemed like it would be useful for stuff like if you get stuck on a really annoying boss but if you know someone that can stomp it you can just let them take over your console and grab some popcorn. Am I wrong and they actually kept that in as part of the OS? Seriously, I thought they dropped that and if it's actually been a feature this whole time then welp. Would have been useful for so many things. yes thats existed the entire time. again, either willfully being dishonest to decieve someone asking for help or just got a brick inside your skull.
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Gamepass is a great deal for people that dont play a lot of games when they are released. Once they get a console announced that fits the budget of deal seekers they will have a good narrative for next gen. Instead tho their narrative is a bizarre mix of cheap rentals on games that core gamers already played and bleeding edge technology tflops get a second job hardware. Im not confident in 343 finally getting halo to not suck and their concept trailer from e3 2018 looked worse than horizon zero dawn running on a ps4 from 2013. Hellblade 2 is going to be a bloated mess going from short indie darling about mental illness and limited gameplay systems to flagship tentpole 1st party action game. The coalition is moribund, the initiative is mia, playground is taking half a decade to come up with a way to make the awful fable series good for the first time ever... they dont have the studios and IP that are going to excite people to buy this beast console en mass beyond the early adopter halo dads who gotta have the new tech. What they got is the perfect service for casual gamers on a budget and hopefully they introduce the console for them soon and stop flogging this aspirational obelisk that anyone with a brain will pass up for a pc.
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Yeah even on ps2 only 99.99% of ps1 titles work and even the best ps3 model with hardware bc can only run 99.99% of ps2 games. There's no 100% guarantee and I bet Xbox series x will have a problem with one or two games. I mean think about all the crapware out there. One or two of those are gonna break but nobody should care.
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ethanol posted:halos always looked years behind everything else but the skyboxes are good. ive got a small glimmer of hope for halo infinity pc since the mcc betas so far seem pretty ok. its the smallest glimmer of hope after halo 5 somehow dropping the bar lower than halo 4 5's mp would have been better than 4's if not for the pay to win mtx in some modes. 4 is just stupid as gently caress with nonsense bullshit like getting shot slows your speed down so you cant escape and ttk drops too low Campaignwise tho 5 is next level awful. Id rather play the order 1886
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Real hurthling! posted:5's mp would have been better than 4's if not for the pay to win mtx in some modes.
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See this is why you get probated/banned so much, Stux. RBX posted:So people in this thread like being lied to and being willfully stupid? Because that's the vibe I get. When people post blatant lies and are told differently it's not being a fanboy it's being truthful. It's not a blatant lie if the company has an entire website dedicated to promoting the service, everyone who isn't trolling can at the very least acknowledge it's something that exists and a video of said thing existing is even posted. Like you might as well be claiming that the Earth is flat and anyone who says water is wet is lying and deceiving people. Seriously, it's such a bizarre thing to get bent out of shape about. I was totally wrong about that SharePlay thing though and I'm fine admitting that. Wish I'd known sooner but hey v vReal hurthling! posted:Im not confident in 343 finally getting halo to not suck and their concept trailer from e3 2018 looked worse than horizon zero dawn running on a ps4 from 2013. They had a pretty decent start with Halo 4 (I'm in the minority that liked the multiplayer) but 5 looked abysmal and yeah, Halo Infinite does not look good at all. I think they're going to try for some huge open-world type game judging from what they showed but who knows. Halo is one of those IPs where they should start with multiplayer first and then branch out imo. Talking BC - When they updated Ninja Gaiden 2 for BC did they restore it to the original version or is it the patched one with less enemies? I've never played it but it looks fun and I saw someone say that because the framerate was so bad on the 360 that they removed enemies to make it run better in a patch. Was that change undone for the BC update or does it still have less enemies? Is the staircase fight still as crazy as people say it was/is?
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Stux posted:game streaming is not a viable product, the only thing psnow is useful for is if you own a ps4 as that way it operates like gamepass instead as it lets you download ps4 titles. you cannot buffer the stream for a game being played remotely which leaves the user experience entirely at the mercy of how stable a persons connection to the servers is on any given day, which can fluctuate constantly. its not reliable and its not a viable alternative. It still blows my mind that 25 years later SEGA channel was still a better game streaming service than Stadia.
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ethanol posted:I disagree because tho the mtx were awful, the 4v4 (might have been 5v5 halo5) was turned into a vehicle less corridor arena mode with weird weapon pickup rules and all the other game modes were dead within weeks. That's at least why I stopped playing. I played halo2-reach because the 4v4 asymmetric maps were fun. Zanzibar 4v4 slayer with vehicles and normal weapon spawns is all i want The halo 4 vehicle maps were very narrow corridors and vehicle damage was changed to make them death traps but i can see your other points and absolutely agree about the weapon pickups vs loadouts. Im too casual at fps to have strong opinions on much besides how stupid terrible tying power weapons to the kill streak equivalents was in 4 Real hurthling! fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Apr 25, 2020 |
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Ryoga posted:Share play has honestly never worked properly for me. Majority of the time it just fails to connect to my friends, and when it does connect most the time it just feeds a blue playstation logo to the person i'm sharing to or there is no audible music on my friend's side (but still sfx). Not to mention every time I try to share play outside of my state it just tells me "This feature is not available in your region". Oh, its definitely not perfect: some games actively disable Share Play (COD comes to mind here) and I've occasionally had issue with it being region locked between USA and EU, but I wanna say 95% of the time I've wanted to use it, its worked.
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Ryoga posted:It still blows my mind that 25 years later SEGA channel was still a better game streaming service than Stadia. theres a good reason why: it didnt stream anything, it simply downloaded to RAM. actually streaming games is a really stupid idea and not just right now, the issues with latency and reliance on near perfect connectivity knee caps it for any foreseeable future bar an entirely new and unknown technological advance which fixes the inherent issues with how the internet functions. the smarter idea is to work around it, which is how everything else operates. even playing games online involves large amounts of client side processing for things like hit detection and motion interpolation, with server sanity checks, because you just have to be able to work around lost packets and tiny hiccups. its why you might notice a common error when you get a longer temporary disconnection in a game, where character models just keep walking in the direction they were going. thats happening very very often while you play for imperceptible skips and drops. when thats happening with you remotely playing a game you cant just paper over things and its way more noticeable, because you cant do buffering or rely on the client to patch over the gaps.
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Grabbed Forza Horizon 4 from my brother in law. Just advanced to winter and good lord is it miserable. On top of the completely uninspiring setting of England it’s become a chore to keep playing. But hey, a couple evenings of entertainment during quarantine isn’t nothing!
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Dinosaurs! posted:Grabbed Forza Horizon 4 from my brother in law. Just advanced to winter and good lord is it miserable. On top of the completely uninspiring setting of England it’s become a chore to keep playing. But hey, a couple evenings of entertainment during quarantine isn’t nothing! 3 with Hot Wheels is the GOAT Horizon
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Stux posted:theres a good reason why: it didnt stream anything, it simply downloaded to RAM. There are actually a couple of technologies being used, though. Predictive analysis (Stadia) hits buttons before it gets the input request based on what button it thinks you will press when based on previous performance. Bethesda unveiled a streaming technology called Orion that optimizes cloud streaming, cutting latency by 20% and bandwith requirements by 40% according to Bethesda (and they confirmed Microsoft was using it as part of XCloud). So the tech is being worked on behind the scenes. Whether or not that means streaming services will work well everywhere once they're out? probably not. But they will work better than most people are predicting.
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