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Old Binsby
Jun 27, 2014

it happened to the Netherlands as well

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Horatius Bonar
Sep 8, 2011

Add Canada to the list.

Though I just checked again and it looks like now the Chinese suppliers will replace the 1 million masks that failed the safety standards at no cost. Is this a first?

https://globalnews.ca/news/6864209/china-to-replace-faulty-masks-swabs-canada-coronavirus-protective-equipment/

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
A big deal was being made about securing good supply lines in China while we spun up our own manufacturing but I guess our supposed pro-tier connection was decidedly less so.

I bet we'd get some good masks if we released Meng :rolleye:

Horatius Bonar
Sep 8, 2011

I'd say this is frankly amazing and a sign of pro-tier suppliers.

Because another part of dealing with poo poo in China is generally if there's a problem, and you bring it up, you're the one causing problems by bringing it up. To have someone on this Chinese side admit fault and offer a solution at no cost feels like uncharted territory.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
No face when everyone needs masks?

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler
China is doing a massive amount of damage control, and they know that when people are done with this pandemic that they're going to turn their attention to China and start asking some difficult questions. They need to try and foster as much goodwill as possible while they can.

AzureSkye
Mar 4, 2010

Horatius Bonar posted:

Add Canada to the list.

Though I just checked again and it looks like now the Chinese suppliers will replace the 1 million masks that failed the safety standards at no cost. Is this a first?

https://globalnews.ca/news/6864209/china-to-replace-faulty-masks-swabs-canada-coronavirus-protective-equipment/

Assuming they can get them out of China to begin with in the midst of whatever this is :v:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-at-least-two-canada-chartered-planes-return-from-china-without-medical/

MAKE NO BABBYS
Jan 28, 2010

StevoMcQueen posted:

Quoting for truth.

I was designated driver on a night out when a friend had his drinked spiked with methamphetamine. He'd already had a skinfull, so veered from happy drunk to passing in and out of consciousness pretty rapidly.

Got him to hospital, they took some blood, confirmed that he had been spiked (and it wasn't just too much booze as initially suspected), and he spent the night in hospital with a couple of IVs.

Next day, he calls me up at 7am to come pick him up because he feels great (oblivious to the fact we all didn't make it to bed til ~3-4am).

This is 100% not how any amphetamines works, let alone methamphetamine

Potrzebie
Apr 6, 2010

I may not know what I'm talking about, but I sure love cops! ^^ Boy, but that boot is just yummy!
Lipstick Apathy

oohhboy posted:


In other news, Sweden is increasingly pissed off with China to the point they have closed all Confucius Institutes and more ties are getting cut.

https://hongkongfp.com/2020/04/24/gothenburg-axes-twin-city-agreement-with-shanghai-as-sweden-closes-all-confucius-institutes/


It was the last of four. And done five months ago. The contract just ran out now.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
People are going to be so grateful to china after all this and now that the chinese media has educated people in how to think correctly about it, they will be more eager than ever before to do business with their good friend the People's Republic of China and to support its economy by purchasing as many of its exports as they can. This is gonna be China's Century!!

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Kinda spoiled for choice as to where you copied that from, which is vaguely depressing.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Horatius Bonar posted:

Because another part of dealing with poo poo in China is generally if there's a problem, and you bring it up, you're the one causing problems by bringing it up.

Not generally, always. I had a months long Taobao messenger and WeChat fight (one-sided, more of an attack) with a seller because she never sent me what I bought and I asked her to either send it or refund me.

I never got it or a refund, to be clear here.

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Re Sweden telling China to gently caress off:

This is not good news for kidnapped criminalbookseller Gu Minhai. I mean he is already under house arrest god knows where, the CCP have already tried to lure his daughter back to the country via diplomatic means, (I remember a story about a meeting in the Swedish embassy where a "businessman" offered her a cushy job, if only she would come back to China and renounce her disharmonious father).

The CCP is not above publicly executing the bloke as petty payback.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

hakimashou posted:

People are going to be so grateful to china after all this and now that the chinese media has educated people in how to think correctly about it, they will be more eager than ever before to do business with their good friend the People's Republic of China and to support its economy by purchasing as many of its exports as they can. This is gonna be China's Century!!

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

BrigadierSensible posted:

Re Sweden telling China to gently caress off:

This is not good news for kidnapped criminalbookseller Gu Minhai. I mean he is already under house arrest god knows where, the CCP have already tried to lure his daughter back to the country via diplomatic means, (I remember a story about a meeting in the Swedish embassy where a "businessman" offered her a cushy job, if only she would come back to China and renounce her disharmonious father).

The CCP is not above publicly executing the bloke as petty payback.

Honestly surprised that a white panel van didn't scoop her up in front of her house and a month later she gave a televised statement (in China) renouncing her father already.

StevoMcQueen
Dec 29, 2007

MAKE NO BABBYS posted:

This is 100% not how any amphetamines works, let alone methamphetamine

Welp, take that up with the doctor in A&E that evening, because after the blood was drawn, he came back and told us that my friend's results were consistent with either; a heart attack, a car accident involving crush damage to the torso, or some form of methamphetamine. And since he hadn't suffered either of the first two, that narrowed it down somewhat.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

StevoMcQueen posted:

Welp, take that up with the doctor in A&E that evening, because after the blood was drawn, he came back and told us that my friend's results were consistent with either; a heart attack, a car accident involving crush damage to the torso, or some form of methamphetamine. And since he hadn't suffered either of the first two, that narrowed it down somewhat.

That doesn't make sense, though, they could easily check for meth at the same time they were checking for troponins and give a definitive answer.

StevoMcQueen
Dec 29, 2007

Ugly In The Morning posted:

That doesn't make sense, though, they could easily check for meth at the same time they were checking for troponins and give a definitive answer.

I am not a doctor, so I cannot comment.

I just remember having to half carry him out of a club as the only sober person in our group, get him to the car to drive him to A&E, and check him in at the front desk while the other drunk friends held him over a toilet to vomit.

We wait, doctor asks him if he is Mr [Name], to which he enthusiastically says "Nooooo!", so the doctor told him "Well I don't have to treat you then" and walks off. I apologise to the doctor, tell my friend to shut up, and the drunk friends to go out to the waiting room. I explain that he passed out in the club, bouncer said he must be on something because his eyes are like saucers, but that he had been drinking excessively (pre-game, pub crawl, and finally club), so it may just be booze.

Nurse came in, drew blood, gave him a cardboard bowl to vomit into, which he promptly did. A while later, doc comes back, tells me usually people come in saying they've been 'spiked', but it's actually just too much booze (which as the only sober person, I thought it was). But then he said the thing above about heart attack/car crash/methamphetamine, and asked me if he had suffered either of the first two, so I told him nope.

They tell me they'll keep him in overnight and to go home. We say bye as they're putting in his drip (he'll get a second drip because at some point he will get up to use the toilet and pull it out). I drop the others home, get to mine for 3-4am, and get a call at 7am to pick him up, he's discharged himself because he feels great.

Sorry for the derail everyone.

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

That is kinda weird, because a test for amphetamines wouldn't be 'a heart attack, car crash or amphetamines' it would be 'here are the metabolites for amphetamine in his blood this dude definitely took amohetamines'.

And the traditional tweaker answer to 'whats your name?' isn't 'noooooo' it's 'heres my name and here's my life story and here are my theories about the world and did you know that Melissa Joan Hart Nickelodeon TV darling is still occasionally doing movies but they're weird religious things etc etc etc' for about 90 minutes with no pauses before trying to scrub the hospital bed clean with a toothbrush and touching their face every other second. So I would guess that answer comes from being absolutely shitfaced.

But if the doctor said meth, poo poo they're doctors I'm not.

Oberndorf
Oct 20, 2010



Speaking as a doctor, amphetamines may not have been on the standard urine test (usually alcohol, acetaminophen/paracetamol, opiates, marijuana, and beyond that it depends on your lab). The doctor's statement does suggest elevated troponins, and the specific troponins anybody cares about are released from cardiac muscle injury, usually either traumatic or due to being choked off. We usually think of the latter as a heart attack, but cocaine, among other agents, acts as a powerful vasoconstrictor, clamping down the blood vessels, which can inhibit flow and cause the noted cardiac injury.

Actually, in a totally tangential moment, one of my med school preceptors actually used to carry a license to prescribe cocaine, which was apparently used in rare cases of ophthalmologic surgeries, I would guess for exactly that property. He did it as a lark at the time, since it was something like a $40 rider on the DEA license he already had, but long since stopped doing it as the fee got worse.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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What's your professional opinion on getting high off of the same meth dose by repeatedly drinking your own meth piss

Asking for a friend

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

Fojar38 posted:

What's your professional opinion on getting high off of the same meth dose by repeatedly drinking your own meth piss

Asking for a friend

Know a guy who did this with molly (well, another guy drank his piss, I forgot what he traded it for but it's not like he gave away his piss for free) and I guess it worked. Guy apparently rolled pretty hard.

So, that's my professional opinion. Trade your junkie piss for videogames or something.

Shadow0
Jun 16, 2008


If to live in this style is to be eccentric, it must be confessed that there is something good in eccentricity.

Grimey Drawer

BrainDance posted:

Know a guy who did this with molly (well, another guy drank his piss, I forgot what he traded it for but it's not like he gave away his piss for free) and I guess it worked. Guy apparently rolled pretty hard.

So, that's my professional opinion. Trade your junkie piss for videogames or something.

Use it to boil eggs.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

So China sent a team to check on Kim




Turns out they got there late lol oops

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

I'm not buying any of this Kim JongUn stuff until we see 25 million North Koreans out in the street doing the chest pounding wailing thing. Until then, who knows.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Yeah, I'm going to wait until people start getting executed via anti-air batteries first.

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003

BrainDance posted:

Know a guy who did this with molly (well, another guy drank his piss, I forgot what he traded it for but it's not like he gave away his piss for free) and I guess it worked. Guy apparently rolled pretty hard.

So, that's my professional opinion. Trade your junkie piss for videogames or something.

Can you vape it?

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

i am harry posted:

Can you vape it?

Not without some work.

You'd probably have to do what this guy did https://www.moberlymonitor.com/article/20090406/NEWS/304069802
Get it down to a solid, mix with pg/vg and there you go.

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

MarcusSA posted:

So China sent a team to check on Kim

Turns out they got there late lol oops

:lol: 8 Minutes late, very auspicious.

WarpedNaba posted:

Yeah, I'm going to wait until people start getting executed via anti-air batteries first.

BrigadierSensible posted:

Re Sweden telling China to gently caress off: This is not good news for kidnapped criminalbookseller Gu Minhai. The CCP is not above publicly executing the bloke as petty payback.

Also :rip: Canadians.

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

if he is dead would they really call his sister the "regent?" Would that mean she's just an interim leader until one of Kim's sons (does he even have any?) comes of age?

I know North Korea has been taking steps as of late to formalize their weird little Presidential Monarchy but even so this all seems a bit much for me.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


He reportedly has a kid but there aren't any details. There are other male members of the family, including his brother (though his brother is not involved with anything at all). I have a hard time believing they would allow a woman to be in charge but who knows. Everything's always rumor with NK.

Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002
Hell Gem

Oberndorf posted:

Actually, in a totally tangential moment, one of my med school preceptors actually used to carry a license to prescribe cocaine, which was apparently used in rare cases of ophthalmologic surgeries, I would guess for exactly that property. He did it as a lark at the time, since it was something like a $40 rider on the DEA license he already had, but long since stopped doing it as the fee got worse.
ENT still uses it routinely, and I’ve used it a few times for nasal intubations. Most every OR has it stocked in at least one Pyxis.

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

Look Closer

Oberndorf posted:


Actually, in a totally tangential moment, one of my med school preceptors actually used to carry a license to prescribe cocaine, which was apparently used in rare cases of ophthalmologic surgeries, I would guess for exactly that property. He did it as a lark at the time, since it was something like a $40 rider on the DEA license he already had, but long since stopped doing it as the fee got worse.

Isn't it used as a topical anaesthesic?

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


exmachina posted:

Isn't it used as a topical anaesthesic?

Yeah, it has legit medical usage. We all like to lol at the cocaine toothache drops from the 1800s but it actually is very effective for treating that sort of pain.

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

Look Closer
Also from my understanding you can't use general anaesthesic for eye surgery because of REM so just whack a line in there every so often

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Grand Fromage posted:

Yeah, it has legit medical usage. We all like to lol at the cocaine toothache drops from the 1800s but it actually is very effective for treating that sort of pain.

iirc 1800's pain treatment was arguably more "effective" than modern pain treatments because they would throw coke and morphine at everything with no regard for addiction

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007



It’s gonna be real interesting to see what happens in the area now.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

i am harry posted:

Can you vape it?

A coot I know used to vape meth, he just dissolved it in the vape juice. Said it worked well.

goblin week
Jan 26, 2019

Absolute clown.

MarcusSA posted:



It’s gonna be real interesting to see what happens in the area now.

Kim Jong Undead sounds like a good movie premise.

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Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002
Hell Gem

exmachina posted:

Also from my understanding you can't use general anaesthesic for eye surgery because of REM so just whack a line in there every so often

Nah, anesthesia produces a deep Non-REM comatose like state. You can do most any eye surgery under general, it's just why risk it when its completely not necessary, the eye is pretty easy to numb. The only time I've ever done general anesthesia for eyeball surgery is for like developmentally delayed folk and combative olds.

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