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gandlethorpe posted:What happened with Riesz's +/- DEX spells? Were they removed or retooled? Removed, since Hit/Evade aren't stats anymore. As a side effect of that, they retooled Hawkeye's Earth Diversion to be his most powerful elemental jutsu for neutral (Ninja Master Hawkeye in particular will get excellent use of it).
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I know they weren't going to change the plot much, but I was really hoping they'd do something with the stuff from the prequels. It would have been nice for someone to tell Hawkeye the girl he's crushing on is his aunt
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Apr 26, 2020 11:34
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I do like that they seem to have added a few lines to explain some vague plot points. Like why the statue disappeared in Gusthall.
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Apr 26, 2020 12:35
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wait, so are shields still useless then?
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Apr 26, 2020 12:37
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unknown butthole posted:wait, so are shields still useless then? They add about the same amount of def/mdef as a trinket. Oath shield if also still in and works so it's a nice status immunity item.
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Apr 26, 2020 12:42
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(Brutal/Hurt Me Faerie) Difficulty or PC modding wishlist:
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Apr 26, 2020 13:00
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I'm playing Angela with Duran and Riesz, what makes sense for the class changes? I was thinking Duran as a lord, Riesz as a fenrir knight (I can't actually decide if I want that or starlancer  ) and archmage for Angela, but I have never played the original game so I don't know if I'm shooting myself in the foot here.
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Apr 26, 2020 13:09
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Defiance Industries posted:I know they weren't going to change the plot much, but I was really hoping they'd do something with the stuff from the prequels. It would have been nice for someone to tell Hawkeye the girl he's crushing on is his aunt I think you’re confusing this game with Game of Thrones unknown butthole posted:wait, so are shields still useless then? Nah they are good. Extra defense boosts means Light class Duran takes very little damage.
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orcane posted:I'm playing Angela with Duran and Riesz, what makes sense for the class changes? I was thinking Duran as a lord, Riesz as a fenrir knight (I can't actually decide if I want that or starlancer Angela - I don't have enough experience with Angela in the remake, but she should be fine in any path. Duran - LL/Paladin - Light Duran's level 2 and level 3 class strikes are underwhelming due to being single target except for Paladin's CS3, which hits a big area. Light Class 4's CS4 is single target though. Riesz - LD/Starlancer - Perma buffs are too good and better than perma debuffs via Fenrir Knight. Summons are underwhelming (too little damage for the cast time/MP cost). Riesz's CS1 is the best in the game because the vacuum effect interrupts enemy skill/spell channeling. Light Class 4's CS4 is a massive aoe.
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Apr 26, 2020 14:21
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Huh, seems the level balance is "you get to level 40+ before ever having a chance to see a Seed ???". Also I am sure I am missing so much lil' cactus and that makes me sad. What's this with twin merchant cat? I am post sanctuary of mana but haven't seen them.
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Apr 26, 2020 14:21
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Moreso than Elmer Fudd, Charlotte is giving me major Molly from Sailor Moon vibes.
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Apr 26, 2020 14:22
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Arkeus posted:Huh, seems the level balance is "you get to level 40+ before ever having a chance to see a Seed ???". After you beat at least 1 Benevodon, 2 not-Niccolo merchants show up right outside each Benevodon dungeon. They sell the equipment leading into the endgame.
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Are there side quests in this game, or am I free to basically bee line from dungeon to dungeon? fadam fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Apr 26, 2020 |
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Apr 26, 2020 14:34
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fadam posted:Are there side quests in this game, or am I free to basically bee line from dungeon to dungeon? No sidequests at all, unless you consider finding optional chain abilities or cactus a "side quest"
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Apr 26, 2020 15:06
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The explanation for a bunch of shops starting to sell two kinds of weapons is that weapons become different whether you're in dark or light classes. So the shops sell the dark or light weapon, along with a neutral weapon that you could theoretically use even if you haven't changed class yet - which is a crazy thing I'm sure some people playing this game will do.
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Apr 26, 2020 15:14
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Getting the no damage taken XP boost on Bil and Ben 2 was such a good feeling, holy poo poo. 
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Apr 26, 2020 15:41
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How mad should I be for not getting the skill from Watts? I didn't have 5k 
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Apr 26, 2020 15:51
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I think you’re meant to get that on NG+ Was I able to smash those rock walls before I got the Nitromyte? I just assumed you needed it for that so I ignored those walls. It would be weird if you could since you couldn’t break the one in the Dwarf Village until someone blew it up for you.
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unknown butthole posted:wait, so are shields still useless then? The elemental effects actually work as intended this time around, so no.
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:I think you’re meant to get that on NG+ you can break them before you get it. yeah, it's a little goofy.
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Apr 26, 2020 16:17
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Someone asked a while back what the new night market items from the cactus bonus were, don't know if it got answered. You get access to level 2 and level 3 damage spell items, as well as items for casting light, dark, moon, and wood sabres. Extremely useful.
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Got to the credits. Angela absolutely destroyed the last boss, holy poo poo. He absolutely melted to Ancient Curse w debuff from necromancer.
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I have a friend who is also playing this and he is minorly annoyed by the fact that the god beasts are now "Benevodons"; he jokes that they should be called malevodons or something instead which would kind of make more sense I guess. Anyway I assume we're just missing some kind of context for it so if anyone has a good idea or knows why they would call them that please let me know because it's been in the back of my mind for a while now!
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Apr 26, 2020 18:00
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The same creatures appear in two other Mana games where they're benevolent forces for good. However they're fused in pairs and each of those paired monsters are called Malevodons and they're like super evil. So basically they're called Benevodons because the games were translated out of order.
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Apr 26, 2020 18:16
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Lol I thought I was the only one that played Children of Mana. I don't remember a lick of anything about it except for that because I was so hype for things from then-SD3 to be referenced at all
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Am I missing something obvious with the Wind Benevodon? I'm basically unable to really fight against him and he just slowly grinds me to death. I don't have anyone in 3rd class yet though (second benevodon).
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Apr 26, 2020 18:19
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YggiDee posted:The same creatures appear in two other Mana games where they're benevolent forces for good. However they're fused in pairs and each of those paired monsters are called Malevodons and they're like super evil. So basically they're called Benevodons because the games were translated out of order. Thank you so much! Good stuff.
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Apr 26, 2020 18:47
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So they were supposed to be called Malevodons then. You'd think they would've fixed that here but then you look at some of the lack of voice direction some characters got...
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That would just get you the opposite problem in Children of Mana though, why are these friendly spirits called Malevodons???
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Just looked up a video of what the Benevodons look like in Heroes of Mana. Dolan has pants. Not sure how I feel about that.
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Is it just me or was Lugar way too easy. He seemed to repeatedly target the player character with Suzaku Sky Dance and it's trivially easy to avoid (unlike the original where everyone just eats poo poo repeatedly to the point where the Low HP sound becomes an integral part of the boss music). I mean I guess you do have to actually hit Dodge when it drops instead of merely running around but it's nothing that somebody who has played any ARPG before couldn't handle.
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Sapozhnik posted:Is it just me or was Lugar way too easy. He seemed to repeatedly target the player character with Suzaku Sky Dance and it's trivially easy to avoid (unlike the original where everyone just eats poo poo repeatedly to the point where the Low HP sound becomes an integral part of the boss music). I mean I guess you do have to actually hit Dodge when it drops instead of merely running around but it's nothing that somebody who has played any ARPG before couldn't handle. this was one of the fights that was pretty brutal in the original that i found really easy. i think the bosses doing full screen counterattacks that couldnt be blocked in the og version made alot of fights way tougher.
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Does this version of the game let you play with the 3rd classes for longer than the last 15% of the game?
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Shoenin posted:So they were supposed to be called Malevodons then. No they are supposed to be Benevodon. The Malevodons are evil fused versions of them, and after the Malevodons were defeated, the Benevodon's appeared to have become good in the rest of the games.
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Just found out the spirit battles in Smash feature yellow Kirbies wearing rabbit ears 
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ChrisBTY posted:Does this version of the game let you play with the 3rd classes for longer than the last 15% of the game? Yeah, you level up a lot faster so you're 38 roughly by the time you reach the Mana Holy Land. You still need to get the items for the 3rd tier classes, but those are a lot more common too.
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ChrisBTY posted:Does this version of the game let you play with the 3rd classes for longer than the last 15% of the game? Maybe a little bit? Getting seeds before the fourth Benevodon can be hard.
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Arkeus posted:Am I missing something obvious with the Wind Benevodon? I'm basically unable to really fight against him and he just slowly grinds me to death. I don't have anyone in 3rd class yet though (second benevodon). Get Molebear Claws and Drake Scales onto everyone and pummel him to death. He was actually the easiest of the Benevodons for me, since there's no movement and no super damaging telegraphs to try and dodge around during the main phase.
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Just hit level 30 on my alt game using the other 3 (Hawkeye/Duran/Charlotte) and it's been really good. My only real beef right now is for some reason Hawkeye's hit-hit-hit-boom combo hitbox is tiny so I find myself lunging through enemies and not hitting them pretty often. It's really annoying on bosses like Ben and Bil 2, because I could end up on the other side of them without hitting them, allowing them to continue their move and placing me in exactly the wrong spot, but between Duran and Charlotte heals I rarely find myself using the cups anymore!
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Am I missing something about the 4th classes? I thought they combined the 2 previous ones, but Duran's Light version of 4th still single targets healing light and gets no tinkle rain. Do I need to reset once to also grab the other path?
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