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There is a squat in Road to Redemption by Mike Brooks that just came out a few weeks ago. Still around in small numbers but their home worlds are gone. Sepulturum was ok. The first half was better than the 2nd. I wouldn't call it horror, but it wasn't bad.
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D-Pad posted:There is a squat in Road to Redemption by Mike Brooks that just came out a few weeks ago. Still around in small numbers but their home worlds are gone. Speaking of squats, the Deep Rock Galactic game is canon to current 40K. imo
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Schadenboner posted:They haven't been a thing on the tabletop since ~3ed, although I think some of the paratext in the 6th Edition rule-book refers to them so they're canonically not extinct?
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Apr 25, 2020 22:23
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Does anyone know when the current incarnation of Necromunda takes place? Is it up-to-date with the current 40k happenings?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM5adTowAtI Holy poo poo Eliphas finally finished his Behemoth video.
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This is the best Astartes edit I've seen so far: https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/g7znvq/felt_the_tinge_of_chaos_making_this/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
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Gunder posted:Does anyone know when the current incarnation of Necromunda takes place? Is it up-to-date with the current 40k happenings? The books have a dataslate up front where Lord Helmawr issues commands and stuff (it's usually oblique to the crunch of the game) and those are dated. House of Chains is 996.M41, Book of Ruin is 997, Book of Judgement is 995. So it looks like this is up-to-date with the previous editions, immediately prior to the  ?E: Unless you're talking about the new Cawdor novel in which case I have no idea (but I'd like to find out: I love me some trash Cajuns). Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Apr 26, 2020 |
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Started listening to Double Eagle (I think I've read it before when I was doing a Sabbat run-through?). I had forgotten just how shamelessly c&p'ed this was from stock Battle of Britain/WW2 media. Not that I'm complaining mind you, I grew up on WW2 media and "War, war never changes" (as the kids say these days). Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Apr 26, 2020 |
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Apr 26, 2020 17:00
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Guyver posted:I think you're right about who but reversed. In the transcript at the beginning of Valdor it has: Re: the beginning of Valdor S1 basically has to be the Emperor. There are only a handful of Perpetuals old enough to be familiar with the "free lunch" saying, and of those only the Emperor figures into Valdor. S2 is less certain, but I suspect they are Valdor, or at least another Custodian, due to the terseness of their dialogue and particularly the line "Speak freely. For once, speak freely. You are only just awakened – there may be few chances left for you." euphronius posted:Legion wasn’t very good imho Grammaticus is arguably the most human protagonist of BL, in terms of being close to the viewer perspective-wise. Every other (post-)human protagonist (with the exception of the other Perpetuals) is either indoctrinated by the Imperium or has full-on Chaos brain. Fallen Hamprince fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Apr 26, 2020 |
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Apr 26, 2020 21:01
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Grammaticus is arguably the most human protagonist of BL, in terms of being close to the viewer perspective-wise. Every other (post-)human protagonist (with the exception of the other Perpetuals) is either indoctrinated by the Imperium or has full-on Chaos brain. Don't you mean Olly Persson? Grammaticus is close too but a little more manipulative and resigned to playing the game. Olly is just tired and wants to help people and hates the part he's forced to play
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Noblesse Obliged posted:Don't you mean Olly Persson? It's also true of Oll Persson, but he's not as prominent as a perspective character as Grammaticus is. Persson is an ensemble protagonist in Know No Fear and the main in some of the short stories IIRC; Grammaticus is the main perspective character in Legion as well as being one of the protagonists of Unremembered Empire. I'd also argue that Persson is so ancient that his perspective is very different from that of a 'normal' human, whereas Grammaticus is old and clued-in enough to be similar to the viewer in terms of perspective but not so old and clued-in that he's alienated from ordinary humans.
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Re: the beginning of Valdor The issue with this is that the Horus Heresy series (and a lot of sci-fi in general, to be fair) tends to lean very heavily on expressions and other things that the viewer is aware of, so reasoning like this, which works in-universe, falls apart out of universe.
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von Metternich posted:The issue with this is that the Horus Heresy series (and a lot of sci-fi in general, to be fair) tends to lean very heavily on expressions and other things that the viewer is aware of, so reasoning like this, which works in-universe, falls apart out of universe. I mean, we could do the whole Milan Kundera thing and assume recurrence is a cultural thingy? E: Holy poo poo, Milan Kundera is still alive! E2: I wonder if my library has an audiobook of Unbearable Lightness, I haven't re-read that in an age*? E3: *: 
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von Metternich posted:The issue with this is that the Horus Heresy series (and a lot of sci-fi in general, to be fair) tends to lean very heavily on expressions and other things that the viewer is aware of, so reasoning like this, which works in-universe, falls apart out of universe. That's possible but the way the speaker calls attention to the age of the expression makes me think that it's intentional. The same way everybody in Know No Fear treats Oll Persson saying "OK" as a weird tic only he uses. When BL authors use turns of phrase it's most often faux-Medieval/fantasy like "have a care".
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Was there not foreshadowing that Oll would somehow be there on the vengeful spirit with the fulgurite shard when the emperor falls?
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Noblesse Obliged posted:Was there not foreshadowing that Oll would somehow be there on the vengeful spirit with the fulgurite shard when the emperor falls? One of the short stories in Mark of Calth makes it more-or-less explicit that he will.
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Yeah so about Oll being on the Vengeful Spirit at the end...you may want to wait until you read Saturnine before you make any defenitive statements on that. Without spoiling, I'll just say that nothing in Saturnine precludes him from being there, but it certainly raises a possibility that the story is apocryphal and not literal. We'll have to wait for the final book to be sure. D-Pad fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Apr 27, 2020 |
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Apr 27, 2020 01:35
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You smarmy Saturine readers. Giving us blue eyeballs!
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So I ended up buying the latest Cain book in quarantine. Should arrive Friday. Is it good? Tbqh the only 40k books I read are Cain and Abnett. Any one shots or small series I should read? (I did read the BFG trilogy without the 3rd)
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bunnyofdoom posted:Tbqh the only 40k books I read are Cain and Abnett. Any one shots or small series I should read? (I did read the BFG trilogy without the 3rd) I wn't be the last person to suggest the Night Lords trilogy. It hits that grimdark sweet spot where the author (ADB, whi is usually a good indicator of quality) remembers that grimdark absolutely allows for a good sense of humour.
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IshmaelZarkov posted:I wn't be the last person to suggest the Night Lords trilogy. It hits that grimdark sweet spot where the author (ADB, whi is usually a good indicator of quality) remembers that grimdark absolutely allows for a good sense of humour. I read all the Cain books available at the time ~2014 and thought they were fun if it a little repetitive by the 7 or eighth and then read the Night Lords omnibus practically in one sitting because it was so good. Prior to this I had only read the Let the Galaxy Burn collection, the first 2 books of Inquisition war, and Eisenhorn/Ravenor Night Lords and by extension ADB's writings just really get the whole point of the entire franchise in a way almost no other others do. It's like moving from fanfiction to actual literature. Most authors just fill in the blanks and write typical IP genre fiction for the paycheck, ADB treats it like the only writing he'll ever do and gives it 110% in effort and creativity. Just fyi, Inquisition War, if you can find it, reads like at the last minute some editor changed a few proper nouns and slapped 40k on the cover. Reading interviews with Ian Watson he basically says "I just wrote whatever I wanted and occasionally checked some of the reference notes from GW, no one ever complained" pentyne fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Apr 27, 2020 |
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bunnyofdoom posted:So I ended up buying the latest Cain book in quarantine. Should arrive Friday. Is it good? Hellsreach by ADB Legion of the Damned by Rob Sanders Wrath of Iron and Battle of the Fang both by Chris Wraight All are single novels and solid botler porn. The lead character in Legion of the Damned is my favourite depiction of a Space Marine.
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pentyne posted:Just fyi, Inquisition War, if you can find it, reads like at the last minute some editor changed a few proper nouns and slapped 40k on the cover. Reading interviews with Ian Watson he basically says "I just wrote whatever I wanted and occasionally checked some of the reference notes from GW, no one ever complained"
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Can anybody elaborate or confirm/deny this?quote:So admittedly part of it may be caused by the 40k community largely being a bit stir crazy by this point, being unable to meet with other players to game or hobby with but a recent short story released by Games workshop in their ongoing Pychic awakening series is causing the fandom to rip itself apart to a noteworthy degree. I am aware there have always been sincere fans of the Imperium but I don't get what this is all about.
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Huh. I think the short story is pretty dumb. It's one thing when it's normal humans versus shithead inquisitors, but Custodes on Primaris, especially acting on Inquisitorial intel rather than their own? The reason that kind of thing worked in the game Space Marine was that suspicion was levied against one dude due to betrayal from one of his men plus some rightful suspicion after a lot of warp exposure. This comes across very surface level and very shallow.
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I liked the short story. The custodians are no longer bound to Terra anyways, right? It’s a good story because the means primaris marines aren’t so special everything’s changed. I also thought it was a nice and grimdark story reinforcing how the imperium inevitably, and bloodily, grinds up every cog in its total state machine.
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Marin Karin posted:Imperials killing each other because of heated decisions based on biased suspicions is pretty standard 40k to me. I think it's good to have a reminder that space marines aren't the highest authority, and aren't even the most individually strong soldiers in the Imperium. The Flesh Tearers do MK fatalities on their allies on a daily basis, so I don't think a custodes taking out a marine for not obeying is too far. SM needed to be on the wrong end of the imperium's fascist wet dream for once, even if it burst the power fantasy bubble for a lot of people. Marines have often been at odds with the wider Imperial machine, usually the Inquisition but I don't think it's out of character for the Custodes to be the dicks this time.
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A few companies of primaris marines from an excommunicated chapter being ordered to undertake a penitent crusade for something they had no part of would be completely on-brand for the Imperium and probably make a good plot line for a short series of space marine books.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Marines have often been at odds with the wider Imperial machine, usually the Inquisition but I don't think it's out of character for the Custodes to be the dicks this time. I just think it's a bit of a wet fart for it to be "welp, some inquisitors said you're literally all heretics, give up now". Something echoing the hubris of the Primaris only to run headlong into the ego of the Custodes would've been far more interesting. I know it's far too much to expect of a lovely short like this, but we've kinda been spoiled with much more interesting and nuanced takes on heresy, even in the videogames. Heck, even a simple line from the Primaris like "We cannot comply with that order, for we know we serve the Emperor's will!" followed by a summary execution by the Shield-Captain, saying "I am the Emperor's will." The half baked begging for their lives and "leniency" along with the moral qualms the Sister feels are just so hollow.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:I just think it's a bit of a wet fart for it to be "welp, some inquisitors said you're literally all heretics, give up now". Something echoing the hubris of the Primaris only to run headlong into the ego of the Custodes would've been far more interesting. I know it's far too much to expect of a lovely short like this, but we've kinda been spoiled with much more interesting and nuanced takes on heresy, even in the videogames. Heck, even a simple line from the Primaris like "We cannot comply with that order, for we know we serve the Emperor's will!" followed by a summary execution by the Shield-Captain, saying "I am the Emperor's will." The half baked begging for their lives and "leniency" along with the moral qualms the Sister feels are just so hollow. Oh yeah the writing itself isn't great
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TALONS OF THE EMPEROR DESTROY PRIMARIS! - Warhammer 40k Wolf Lord Rho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVatSAyKbqY HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:I just think it's a bit of a wet fart for it to be "welp, some inquisitors said you're literally all heretics, give up now". Something echoing the hubris of the Primaris only to run headlong into the ego of the Custodes would've been far more interesting. I know it's far too much to expect of a lovely short like this, but we've kinda been spoiled with much more interesting and nuanced takes on heresy, even in the videogames. Heck, even a simple line from the Primaris like "We cannot comply with that order, for we know we serve the Emperor's will!" followed by a summary execution by the Shield-Captain, saying "I am the Emperor's will." The half baked begging for their lives and "leniency" along with the moral qualms the Sister feels are just so hollow. That's what happens tho? When ordered to surrender by the guy in golden armor you don't shout back "DEBATE ME!". And escalating to insurrection seems like a real bad idea also, kinda confirming the custodes bias no matter how unfair. MariusLecter fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Apr 27, 2020 |
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I personally liked the short story. It just shows how much contempt Custodes have for SM. Always choosing brotherhood over the Emperor was a nice ending.
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I enjoyed the short story. The idea that summary execution on the accusation of having tainted genetics is warranted is fascist as hell, and extremely on brand for the Imperium. Most of the complaining seems to come from people who have not grasped that the Imperium are not good guys. Which to be fair is easy enough to miss with the way the GW typically sells space marines these days.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Tbqh the only 40k books I read are Cain and Abnett. Any one shots or small series I should read? (I did read the BFG trilogy without the 3rd) Vaults of Terra and Watchers of the Throne, both by Chris Wraight, is really good reading. Yet to read the second Watchers book but the first one was good.
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NikkolasKing posted:Can anybody elaborate or confirm/deny this? I thought it was completely on brand, but one thing that summary doesn't do a good job of distinguishing is that the traitors are not just rebels they have been declared diabolus extremis (I think is the term) which means they've fallen to chaos. If a whole chapter falls then it's pretty standard for any others with that geneseed to also be killed regardless if they had anything to do with the original fall. A lot of the people complaining seem to be assuming they are just vanilla rebels and not full on CSM. I think it does make a good point that the fanbase is extremely online right now and that is probably contributing. The writing wasn't great, but I actually enjoyed the story because that is the kind of grimdark that brought me into 40k.
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The regeants shadow starts a little slow but the has an a amazing last 50%. Wraight writes some great detective genre stuff in his WH40k Excited for a sequel if one ever comes
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euphronius posted:The regeants shadow starts a little slow but the has an a amazing last 50%. Wraight writes some great detective genre stuff in his WH40k The final line in The Regent's Shadow is :chefkiss: I love it so much. Also Consequences seems like it follows just fine with the content of The Regent's Shadow, too. Valerian doesn't show any hesitation when he goes after any of the Minotaurs in the story, and Marines putting loyalty to each other "before" loyalty to the Throne is brought up pretty explicitly. Inspector_666 fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Apr 27, 2020 |
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