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Falcorum posted:doesn't Intel have that already 
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The Management posted:try not to rip any threads on the way to the parking lot i never knew how abundant threads were until they were lying, tattered, all around me
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Apr 19, 2020 22:42
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The Management posted:try not to rip any threads on the way to the parking lot
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Apr 20, 2020 02:10
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Lutha Mahtin posted:you're violating our profitinos You're violating Moore's Law! You're violating Moore's Law! I continue to cry as fab engineers kick me in the head.
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Apr 22, 2020 22:15
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so when do we halt with new cores and focus on clock speed again it seems like that's what intel is desperately trying to force but AMD is just laughing and ignoring it. they seem to have found a balance where nobody cares if they lose that last 10% of single thread speed if they get a dozen more fuckin' cores. also the 3990x does 750 watts overclocked lmbo
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Apr 26, 2020 21:16
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Remember when AMD released the world's shittiest 8 Core consumer CPU in 2011 with the assumption that scalable baked-in multithreading was right around the corner
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Apr 26, 2020 22:56
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SRQ posted:so when do we halt with new cores and focus on clock speed again 
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Apr 26, 2020 23:53
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the one true prohecy
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Apr 26, 2020 23:54
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Ha ha, threads go riiiiiipppp Goddamnit, someone made that joke already. Umm... Re-do the AMD graph so it says "Market Share" and put the Intel dude in one of those old-timey barrels with suspenders that signify poverty? Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Apr 27, 2020 |
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Apr 26, 2020 23:58
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SRQ posted:so when do we halt with new cores and focus on clock speed again unless you're going to balloon out the pipeline the odds of clockspeeds getting much higher with current tech are very low. the "quick and dirty" solution is using doped diamond for transistors because they can hold up to absurd heat but if you're going down that road you're just saying gently caress It to efficiency and talking about 200W+ draw on the socket under load for even a low-end system. And that tech is nowhere near the point it can scale down that small, they're still figuring it out for stuff like highspeed rail. it's going to take something pretty revolutionary to either get clock speed up appreciably or IPC considerably higher, the materials just can't handle it
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Apr 27, 2020 04:08
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klosterdev posted:Remember when AMD released the world's shittiest 8 Core consumer CPU in 2011 with the assumption that scalable baked-in multithreading was right around the corner yeah but they weren't even real cores, it was like 4 actual ones and even those sucked
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Apr 27, 2020 04:10
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I remember when AMD released 3-core CPU’s for a time
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Apr 27, 2020 04:31
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Schadenboner posted:Re-do the AMD graph so it says "Market Share" and put the Intel dude in one of those old-timey barrels with suspenders that signify poverty? yeah, nah, intel is making all kinds of money. earnings for q1 had net income up 43% yoy. still enjoying a 60.6% gross margin. incompetence is not so great an issue with the level of entrenchment intel has, ibm skated by in a similar situation for decades.
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Apr 27, 2020 08:51
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Yeah it's the "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" mindset. All the new servers at work are still Intel Xeons even when Epyc would have been a cheaper and better option
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Apr 27, 2020 10:44
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its such a bullshit excuse. Dell will ship you the stuff for 3 months on a try and buy to make sure it meets spec and works correctly
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Apr 27, 2020 13:11
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Its honestly true though, I would never have anyone bat an eyelash if they saw an invoice from a server come through with INTEL XEON BLAH BLAH on it, but if it said AMD EPYC THREADPUMMELLER it would raise some eyebrows and I'd find myself explaining CPU architecture to the CFO. It ain't worth the hassle. If AMD was smart they'd name their server CPU's "Zeon" and watch their server business go nuts
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Apr 27, 2020 15:09
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heres our new server chip based on the zen architecture, we call it the "xenon", ha ha, get it? and it's really cool because *1000 intel lawyers immediately tackle the poor marketing guy*
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Apr 27, 2020 15:41
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Its honestly true though, I would never have anyone bat an eyelash if they saw an invoice from a server come through with INTEL XEON BLAH BLAH on it, but if it said AMD EPYC THREADPUMMELLER it would raise some eyebrows and I'd find myself explaining CPU architecture to the CFO. "you get twice the compute for half the money, which is the only way we can meet our [nebulous_big_data_project_objective] in budget" congratulations, you're finished with that convo
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Apr 27, 2020 15:45
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Its honestly true though, I would never have anyone bat an eyelash if they saw an invoice from a server come through with INTEL XEON BLAH BLAH on it, but if it said AMD EPYC THREADPUMMELLER it would raise some eyebrows and I'd find myself explaining CPU architecture to the CFO. I used to work at intel (but don’t anymore), and “our existing support vendors and our internal people don’t have to learn anything new” is a powerful business case. that’s not a great thing to bet on in the long term (see IBM)
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Apr 27, 2020 15:59
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:"you get twice the compute for half the money, which is the only way we can meet our [nebulous_big_data_project_objective] in budget" yeah until there is a problem and you have everyone ever breathing down your neck with THIS WOULDNT HAVE HAPPENED WITH INTEL even thought that's not true at all
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Apr 27, 2020 16:01
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:yeah until there is a problem and you have everyone ever breathing down your neck with THIS WOULDNT HAVE HAPPENED WITH INTEL tbf intel has yet to do things like ship with a completely broken rdrand instruction or wait until a month *after* their chips shipped to upstream patches needed for them to boot
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Apr 27, 2020 16:03
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Its honestly true though, I would never have anyone bat an eyelash if they saw an invoice from a server come through with INTEL XEON BLAH BLAH on it, but if it said AMD EPYC THREADPUMMELLER it would raise some eyebrows and I'd find myself explaining CPU architecture to the CFO. hassle? if there’s one thing CFOs love, it’s when you find something cheaper and save the company money. “we did the financial analysis and concluded that for our computing needs, the TCO of AMD MONSTER THREADCRUSHER is lower than other options. we expect to save $$$”
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Apr 27, 2020 16:04
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The_Franz posted:tbf intel has yet to do things like ship with a completely broken rdrand instruction lol. intel’s totally broken transactional memory support in its first gen says otherwise.
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Apr 27, 2020 16:08
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:yeah until there is a problem and you have everyone ever breathing down your neck with THIS WOULDNT HAVE HAPPENED WITH INTEL the best case of that was when the meltdown patches killed performance and some people with long contract aws instances got screwed because the machines we not fast enough for their workload anymore it should be framed as can we afford to use intel? all our poo poo will get hacked or we'll have to buy 10% more servers later
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Apr 27, 2020 16:12
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Its honestly true though, I would never have anyone bat an eyelash if they saw an invoice from a server come through with INTEL XEON BLAH BLAH on it, but if it said AMD EPYC THREADPUMMELLER it would raise some eyebrows and I'd find myself explaining CPU architecture to the CFO. this x1000 said it before and i say it again, the only thing wrong with amd now is that their marketing is targeting 14 year olds
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Apr 27, 2020 18:49
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consider two things:
the first epyc chips dropped in 2017. between then and now, amd has gone from essentially 0% share to almost 5%. in the time it takes an average business to do one server refresh that's an extremely impressive fuckin market penetration give it another three years, they might be at 15%. or 50%. who knows. given how bad intel has bungled everything, the sky is the limit
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Apr 27, 2020 19:11
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Tankakern posted:said it before and i say it again, the only thing wrong with amd now is that their marketing is targeting 14 year olds yeah amd's enterprise marketing is pretty fuckin pathetic san jose airport: 
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Apr 27, 2020 19:13
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Tankakern posted:this x1000 that seems laser targeted at the typical techbro though?
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Apr 27, 2020 19:48
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i mean, epyc is no dumber than xeon, ryzen is no(t much?) dumber than core, and threadripper is no dumber than skulltrail. to grab products out of the same segments
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Apr 27, 2020 21:54
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i mean, epyc is no dumber than xeon, ryzen is no(t much?) dumber than core, and threadripper is no dumber than skulltrail. but did you see the advertisement
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Apr 27, 2020 21:59
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intel named their itanium (lol) instruction set EPIC, so evidently it’s enterprisey enough
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Apr 27, 2020 22:01
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The Management posted:intel named their itanium (lol) instruction set EPIC, so evidently it’s enterprisey enough itanium isa was named "ia64" "epic" was what they claimed was a new class of ISAs -- forget cisc and risc, now we have Explicitly Parallel Instruction Computing, aka "a sufficiently smart compiler will save us all"
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Apr 27, 2020 22:09
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a bunch of millennial and zoomer genius computer engineers trying to figure out how to sell their stuff to gen x and boomers. intel meanwhile is the inverse.
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Apr 27, 2020 22:15
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i mean, epyc is no dumber than xeon, ryzen is no(t much?) dumber than core, and threadripper is no dumber than skulltrail. it's like you post regularly on hn listen to yourself, do you believe what you're saying
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Apr 27, 2020 23:52
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i gotta admit that the orientalism of ryzen is pretty cringey
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Apr 27, 2020 23:59
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Oh for sure, man
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Apr 28, 2020 00:00
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i will retract my previous statement if their next ISA extension is named transubstantiation, or their next generation power saving tech is called ramadan mode
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Apr 28, 2020 00:02
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:yeah amd's enterprise marketing is pretty fuckin pathetic one is endangered and inbred, the most famous one bit the hand (and face) that fed it the other is ubiquitous and care and feeding of them is a billion dollar industry this is the kind of logic that makes sense in airports
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Apr 28, 2020 01:04
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The Management posted:intel named their itanium (lol) instruction set EPIC, so evidently it’s enterprisey enough blackberry people named their serious business tablet the “playbook” 
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echinopsis posted:blackberry people named their serious business tablet the “playbook” always funny to me when a nerd thinks "ha, gotem" and it's based on the assumption that businesspeople would never be amenable to a sports analogy
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