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TotalLossBrain posted:I still run XP VMs for 'modern' SCADA configuration management. Lol "Our OT network isn't connected to the Internet, so it's ok to run unpatched XP. *one day of security auditing later* So it turns out our OT network is connected to the Internet..."
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Cojawfee posted:Vista got a bad rap because of lovely computers having "Vista Ready" stickers being slapped on them. People would buy lovely computers with 512 MB of RAM because it said it could run Vista and then it ran like poo poo. Upgrade it to 1GB and Vista ran just fine for most people. Microsoft even had to do that "Windows Mojave" ad campaign to convince people Vista wasn't lovely because of cheapskate manufacturers. Vista was great if you had a machine that could handle it. I ran Vista for a few years on a cobbled together desktop running 1gb of ram and I never had a problem. I don't know enough of the inner workings of an OS to claim it was great but for an everyday internet/gaming user like myself it worked as well as XP and 7 did.
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Pham Nuwen posted:"Our OT network isn't connected to the Internet, so it's ok to run unpatched XP. *one day of security auditing later* So it turns out our OT network is connected to the Internet..." https://shodan.io happy browsing
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I fresh-installed ME on my old eMachine back in the day and it sucked. My experience was probably better than that of someone who upgraded without the new drivers or whatever but it was still unstable as hell. Moving to XP after that was a dream. I remember one day sound just stopped working completely. No audio of any kind. No amount of updating, uninstalling, or rolling back drivers fixed it so I was starting to get worried that the SoundBlaster I bought last year was dead even though that was pretty unlikely. I decided to use System Restore to roll back to a date where it was working and sure enough audio returned! I'm glad I didn't disable it (like I did with XP, heh). Don't know what happened there but I never lost it again. Cojawfee posted:Vista got a bad rap because of lovely computers having "Vista Ready" stickers being slapped on them. People would buy lovely computers with 512 MB of RAM because it said it could run Vista and then it ran like poo poo. Upgrade it to 1GB and Vista ran just fine for most people. Microsoft even had to do that "Windows Mojave" ad campaign to convince people Vista wasn't lovely because of cheapskate manufacturers. Vista was great if you had a machine that could handle it. Vista is the only version of Windows I never owned or otherwise used a lot since 3.1 but the little exposure I got to it was varied. My friend's budget Toshiba laptop would run like poo poo, but the workstation that my grad school supervisor had for crunching SAS datasets was super smooth and responsive. Wow turns out hardware matters! I only really recall being frustrated with Vista's file explorer and I can't even remember why. It was something that was different or more cumbersome than XP and I remember being relieved that it was fixed in 7.
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In 2001 or so my computer's fans failed and it really overheated and something must've gotten damaged and since then it could not run Win XP, 2000, or even some Linux distro I tried, without bluescreening. Resigned and used 98SE well into mid 00s. It sucked. The memory stuff was especially bad, and I could only run 2 UO instances if I launched them right after booting up, otherwise it would say it's out of memory and no tricks would help. XP was a much welcome respite, and I haven't really run into any big problems ever since.
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I remember ME was an dumpster fire to use the few times I did touch it. Constant blue screening, slow af with the official Dell/HP drivers. Even if it did get "Fixed" later the name was poison. Another bit of poison to add to that brew; Celerons. I swear you were better off using a 486 at half the clock speed or less as it would get to the finish line rather than soft lock.
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Apr 27, 2020 19:02
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oohhboy posted:I remember ME was an dumpster fire to use the few times I did touch it. Constant blue screening, To be fair, this describes the entire 9x series. Non-protected memory was a real bitch to stability. (Edit: Well. it did have protected memory, in some ways.... ) stevewm has a new favorite as of 19:35 on Apr 27, 2020 |
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Apr 27, 2020 19:07
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Another thing was that Vista's task manager reported used vs free memory differently and it made all the overclocker/tweaker morons who think they have to micromanage everything flip out.
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This talk about memory reminds me of how bad classic MacOS was on this front.. Cooperative multitasking and terrible memory "management". And it stayed this way until OSX was introduced in 2001. Windows 3.1 was the last MS OS to use cooperative multitasking. Windows 9x was light years ahead compared to MacOS in this regard. With co-op multitasking, the applications themselves control CPU time. If a single bad actor doesn't give up CPU control, the OS can do nothing about it. The entire system locks up. This is compared to preemptive multitasking, which all OSes these days use... The OS is in control of scheduling which process/thread has CPU time, applications can only request time or priority. A single bad actor (typically) can't bring the system down.
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Even the Apollo computer took control back from programs if they took too long
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Cojawfee posted:Even the Apollo computer took control back from programs if they took too long "Houston, 1202 alarm."
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Cojawfee posted:Even the Apollo computer took control back from programs if they took too long Not classic MacOS! Edit: This covers why classic MacOS sucked in this regard pretty good: https://www.quora.com/What-were-the-limitations-of-the-classic-Mac-OS-before-Mac-OS-X stevewm has a new favorite as of 19:57 on Apr 27, 2020 |
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Sweevo posted:Another thing was that Vista's task manager reported used vs free memory differently and it made all the overclocker/tweaker morons who think they have to micromanage everything flip out. To this day, Linux users get their knickers in a twist due to the concept of "cached" memory (https://www.linuxatemyram.com/) for similar reasons. Hell, I got bugged by it back in the early 2000s. I think people with "big" systems look at unused memory as a dick-swinging sort of thing, gives them a good feeling to have however many gigabytes completely unused.
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I manually add and remove sticks of RAM on the fly to meet demand. SMH if you dont
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TotalLossBrain posted:"Houston, 1202 alarm." Same type, we're go, flight.
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Ahh the classic MacOS bomb. OS 7.x.x was good for the time. 8.x.x was a real dog. 9.x.x was slow and bloated but bombed far less than 8. I didn't come back to Macs until the gumdrop when it still could run MacOS at boot or via backwards compatibility.
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Apr 27, 2020 20:55
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:I manually add and remove sticks of RAM on the fly to meet demand. why do that when you can  DYNAMICALLY COMPRESS your RAM?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rxssVFeKr8
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oohhboy posted:Ahh the classic MacOS bomb. OS 7.x.x was good for the time. 8.x.x was a real dog. 9.x.x was slow and bloated but bombed far less than 8. I didn't come back to Macs until the gumdrop when it still could run MacOS at boot or via backwards compatibility. Yeah, I definitely remember System 7 being a game changer for 1991. I think the last one I used was 7.5.3 before my family switched to PCs, so I can't comment on anything past that.
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I had to touch a Windows 8 pc today (not 8.1) and legitimately couldn't figure out where the shutdown option was. What a misguided attempt at a UI.
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wa27 posted:I had to touch a Windows 8 pc today (not 8.1) and legitimately couldn't figure out where the shutdown option was. What a misguided attempt at a UI. Open a pdf and see how long it takes you to work out how to close it. just set the loving thing on fire. It's easier
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Iron Crowned posted:Yeah, I definitely remember System 7 being a game changer for 1991. I think the last one I used was 7.5.3 before my family switched to PCs, so I can't comment on anything past that. IIRC 7.5.3 was the reason a lot of people switched to PCs.
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Vista got much better with later updates. A friend's father asked me to look at his laptop which was a launch day vista release (not a budget one either) and I messed around with the bloody thing for half an hour before I had to inform him that there was nothing "wrong" it just wouldn't run well.
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Cojawfee posted:Vista got a bad rap because of lovely computers having "Vista Ready" stickers being slapped on them. People would buy lovely computers with 512 MB of RAM because it said it could run Vista and then it ran like poo poo. Upgrade it to 1GB and Vista ran just fine for most people. Microsoft even had to do that "Windows Mojave" ad campaign to convince people Vista wasn't lovely because of cheapskate manufacturers. Vista was great if you had a machine that could handle it. And they got those stickers because the various manufactures threw a fit that their 400 dollar Christmas specials they were rolling out right before launch were under the actual minimum specs for Vista and pressured Microsoft into lowering the specs so they could slap Vista Ready on them when they weren't.
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i had a dell laptop in 2006 that was stickered with "Microsoft Windows Vista Capable" but came with Windows XP Media Center Edition I learned later that year that "Capable" was different than "Compatible" in the sense that it sucked poo poo when I installed it
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It’s an exact recapitulation of what happened with win95, and win98, and 2000, and xp ... and every version of Word/Office It’s like they were bound and determined to just pikachu-face their way through every single release
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Last Chance posted:I learned later that year that "Capable" was different than "Compatible" in the sense that it sucked poo poo when I installed it Lawyers make the best copywriters.
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Pham Nuwen posted:To this day, Linux users get their knickers in a twist due to the concept of "cached" memory (https://www.linuxatemyram.com/) for similar reasons. Hell, I got bugged by it back in the early 2000s. I think people with "big" systems look at unused memory as a dick-swinging sort of thing, gives them a good feeling to have however many gigabytes completely unused. Somewhere between the 4.9 kernel and 4.19, the memory management for swap seems to have changed. Used to be that swappiness=0 would only use swap when RAM ran out, but now it . Really annoying with all the alerts we have for what is now normal swap usage. We should probably just switch back to the default value since this setting is p cargo-culty at this point.
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Last Chance posted:i had a dell laptop in 2006 that was stickered with "Microsoft Windows Vista Capable" but came with Windows XP Media Center Edition I can't remember which it were (capable/compatible) but I'm pretty sure they were slapping those on monitors and other accessories at one point too.
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Hey would love a bit of help to those with more electronics knowledge than I. Just found out my wireless keyboard for android box can take a BL-5C Nokia Li-Ion battery. I did some googling and this is the socket I need to find and solder to the board to enable it to run off the rechargable instead of AAAs:  And datasheet: http://www.twinner.com.tw/files/global-jkcr/JCBA-BC3P31H68.pdf I have googled that part/product number but nothign I can find in Australia or close. EDIT: Going for an ebay auction for an old phone and salvage the connector (and get a battery). Also a friend shouted out saying he has 3 of these keyboards that arent working + batteries. Yay! Humphreys has a new favorite as of 12:55 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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I managed to dodge having to deal with Windows ME much, and my limited experience with it supports it being the worst Windows release ever. Vista is much maligned but as others have said it really depended on the hardware - on the right hardware it worked great, but if it didn't like the hardware then best of luck to you. Driver support was awful, and the networking in general on Vista always seemed mildly hosed. I'd say Mac OS 8.6 was okay, and Mac OS 9 similar, while the earliest iterations of Mac OS X had some really annoying poo poo to deal with if you were working in an office environment. Things like printing. Early 2000s I always had a Mac and a PC running on my desk at work, and I used one for some things and the other for other things. Bouncing back and forth between Mac OS 9, Mac OS 10.2, and Windows XP, and trying to make them play nicely with each other, was pretty fun if also often very frustrating.
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I switched to Mac in 2007 from XP just as OS X had matured enough to be ahead of Windows in so many ways. The thing was just such a pleasure to use when compared to the Windows experience of the day! I switched back to W10, and now I prefer Windows, it is finally stabler and better in many ways, I feel.
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barbecue at the folks posted:I switched to Mac in 2007 from XP just as OS X had matured enough to be ahead of Windows in so many ways. The thing was just such a pleasure to use when compared to the Windows experience of the day! I switched back to W10, and now I prefer Windows, it is finally stabler and better in many ways, I feel. Windows 10 is great, and I tried to get 2 of my gamer friends to upgrade, both had BSOD issues and have since still been on 7. For me the switch to 10 was extremely painless.
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I use macOS at home and Windows in work. If I didn't spend so much time remoted into my macOS box from the Windows box, I'd probably throw myself into a wood chipper. I loving can't stand it.
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Windows 10 is the first version of Windows ever in my mind to be head and shoulders above all other OS’es. I really just keep a MacBook around to manage my IOS stuff now. I’m sure someone will fight me on this but it really is the first version of Windows that annoys me in almost no discernible way, which is really the best you can ask of an operating system
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Windows 10 is the first version of Windows ever in my mind to be head and shoulders above all other OS’es. You can't organize icons in folders. Why even cling to the "desktop" metaphor if you're going to arbitrarily hamper people using it like one?
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I converted my ibook into a doorstop after it started shocking me all the time, gently caress that thing: I had velcro (hook side) on the lid because I used to have an external drive on there, worked great as a door stop
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There's a lot to like about MacOS but there's also a lot that makes me want to hurl it off a bridge. The biggest one is the utterly ridiculous mouse acceleration curve. It feels like stirring mud. I finally had to buy a commercial program (SteerMouse) just to turn the drat acceleration off entirely, and make it so that moving the mouse a certain distance always moves the pointer a certain distance, regardless of how fast you do it. (Ditto for the scroll wheel.) Having it try to interpret how far I "really" wanted the cursor to go was absolutely maddening, to the point that I was seriously considering the hassle of installing Linux on a Macbook just to escape it.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Windows 10 is the first version of Windows ever in my mind to be head and shoulders above all other OS’es. I'd argue the mess that is the control panel/settings app is the one big annoyance in Windows 10. That and the preinstalled crapware, although thankfully you can get rid of it in 15 minutes.
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Like most things it all depends on what you're looking for. If you're looking to buy into an ecosystem where poo poo just works then Apple has that segment completely locked down. Microsoft has tried a bunch of times but it's all chewing gum and duct tape. I'm sure they're eventually going to get there but Apple's got such a head start that it's going to be hard to get to parity. I'm trying so hard to get my parents on the apple train. Being able to do poo poo like have them hold their phone next to an Apple TV and have it automatically configure itself is witchcraft versus having to walk them through joining a Roku to their wireless network, for instance. Similar to when I installed UniFi networking gear in their house - I never have to walk them through logging into the router again. Something broke? No problem, plug it into the network and I'll push a config to it from here. Everything broke? No problem, ship it to me, I'll restore the backup, then plug it in exactly as the broken one was. H2SO4 has a new favorite as of 18:36 on May 1, 2020 |
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Chikimiki posted:I'd argue the mess that is the control panel/settings app is the one big annoyance in Windows 10. That and the preinstalled crapware, although thankfully you can get rid of it in 15 minutes. Yeah I should not have to manually go to the classic control panel for stuff this many years into the new design At least they've added a lot more hooks into the old control panel functions through the new settings app, even if they're just a hyperlink to The Stuff You Actually Want
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