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If nothing else every single AAA studio needs union drives yesterday. How many stories have we heard about awful crunch practices from Naughty Dog, CDPR, Rockstar, etc.?
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FallenGod posted:I'll probably have to replay the first game, because I recall most of the worst stuff (outside of combat executions) being implied rather than lovingly rendered and lingered on. pretty much. the first game was certainly grim and bleak but it never felt exploitative or gross to me. it never seemed like the goal of the violence was shock or titillation. the David stuff comes the closest to hitting that cartoony grimdark meter but it was just restrained enough to me to work this poo poo has looked like trash since that torture trailer reveal and it continues to do so
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Apr 27, 2020 23:45
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I feel sorta nonplussed by the leaks, seems better to wait until people actually play the whole thing and see what they think about it. All this stuff about how lovely the development was is much more offputting tbh. TLOU's writing wasn't bulletproof, the worst decision being the collectable that indicated that the fireflies had failed to produce a cure before. It shifts focus from the morality of Joel's decision making to the internal mechanics of making a vaccine, when those details don't figure at all in Joel's decision; he would of short up that hospital to save Ellie even if they were guaranteed to end the apocalypse
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Apr 28, 2020 00:06
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Sure would be nice if people were more outraged by the company's abusive practices rather than the writing being bad. Is there any path for the game industry to get out of this crunch hell they've created?
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Apr 28, 2020 00:11
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Apr 28, 2020 00:13
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No. Not that one. Any other paths?
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Apr 28, 2020 00:21
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Sudden Loud Noise posted:No. Not that one. Wait for the AAA industry to collapse under its hubristic weight of constantly ballooning budgets being compressed into shorter and shorter dev cycles to try and fulfill increasingly unrealistic sales expectations.
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Apr 28, 2020 00:24
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Vermain posted:Wait for the AAA industry to collapse under its hubristic weight of constantly ballooning budgets being compressed into shorter and shorter dev cycles to try and fulfill increasingly unrealistic sales expectations. Hasn't happened to the film industry yet, I doubt it's gonna happen to the games industry. Mass protesting by developers is the only way working conditions will improve imo. And boy, this seems like an ideal time to form such an organization of people!
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Apr 28, 2020 00:26
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Internet Kraken posted:Sure would be nice if people were more outraged by the company's abusive practices rather than the writing being bad. I’m pretty sure if we ask those companies nicely they will come to realise the errors of their ways and adopt better practices.
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Apr 28, 2020 00:36
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Firstborn posted:People retroactively making GBS threads on the first game itt could chill a little bit. You're really cool for not caring about TLOU, ok? I kind of hope the leaks are fake or an early draft to throw off people. It sounds really mean spirited. I'll say that TLOU was a good experience/story of a game but not one I'd really enjoy replaying again. I think just making a sequel to that ruins the weight of that game's ending and if the spoilers are correct, REALLY kind of mess up a lot of the resonance of the first game's events+overall story and sound messy. Maybe in context it makes more sense but from just the summary it sounds like a deliciously vile twist, and I will admit it's the kind of ballsy move I wouldn't expect other devs to follow through with. Uncharted 4 was fun though I was kind of disappointed they went back to the well with both Uncharted/TLOU, kinda wanted something new but that's more my own taste. I still think Uncharted 2 is a straight banger and probably the best game they've made.
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Apr 28, 2020 00:55
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CJ posted:I feel like the better way to do it would be to have you play as Abby without know who she is at first, allowing you to empathise with her first before you realise she wants to kill Joel. Having her do that first seems like it would put the player off liking her, but we'll have to see how they handle it i guess. DURKMANN or whatever is a loving moron. You totally can pull the play as a new character in a established setting and be the bad guy all along. KOTOR did it and that game still is regarded as one of the finest moment in game storytelling but A) You need a game to support the story B) You need good storytelling and not just exposition and torture porn Zeta Acosta fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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Apr 28, 2020 01:06
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Nail Rat posted:Yeah I really don't think that Naughty Dog understands that they made the Fireflies both extremely incompetent and extremely unlikable. Why can't you feel the loss of a woman who has already gotten her revenge but has to be stopped by another character from killing a pregnant woman like gently caress off . It's obvious that TLOU3 is just going to end w/ Ellie giving up on killing her or Ellie dying and going she's too far gone. Everything about Abby is unlikable the Fireflies were incompetent assholes why do I care Internet Kraken posted:Sure would be nice if people were more outraged by the company's abusive practices rather than the writing being bad. Keep leaking the endings, strikes, unions . The weren't paying them like wtf did they expect gently caress these assholes and their plothole ridden story. Like gently caress it if they want to play ball ,play ball people need money right now.
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Apr 28, 2020 01:15
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Zeta Acosta posted:DURKMANN or whatever is a loving moron. You totally can pull play as a new character in a established setting and be the bad guy all along. KOTOR did it and that game still is regarded as one of the finest moment in game storytelling but Yeah, a game where you start as Abby on the hunt for Joel ( but don't realize it at first, the game presents you as a new character in a new game ), and slowly but surely get to see a more personal side of her you can attach to. Maybe have her spend some time helping people out against the Seraphites. Followed by seeing more and more issues with what Joel has been up to since you last saw him. Maybe find a village of Fireflies that probably wasn't doing anything bad, with a few people genuinely trying to live their lives and move on and Joel and Co slaughtered them to protect himself/Ellie. Have a segment where she travels with Ellie for awhile without realizing who Ellie is, and they become decent enough friends. Mix Abby and Ellie segments so you play both. Get to the endgame and prepare to kill Joel. Ellie tries to stop it. If you kill Joel she lives but hates you and vows to come after you. If you step down Joel shoots at you and kills Ellie in the crossfire. Like not a good ending by any means, but gently caress I whipped this whole thing up on the pot and it's 20 times better then the drivel they put together. Congratulations. Abby is a bad person who hosed it all up, and all you've done is make things worse/make more enemies. You get your revenge just leads to more revenge story plot. And it's not utterly tonedeaf like this Like holy loving poo poo, Abby has to be talked down from murdering a pregnant woman who did nothing to her and just happened to be in the wrong place. She's awful. Rookersh fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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Apr 28, 2020 01:20
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Zeta Acosta posted:DURKMANN or whatever is a loving moron. You totally can pull the play as a new character in a established setting and be the bad guy all along. KOTOR did it and that game still is regarded as one of the finest moment in game storytelling but And we know the game doesn’t have these things because...? I think people are too quick in judging the whole story from a few leaks that don’t show context. Also a lot of chuds are mad because they think Abby is trans.
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Apr 28, 2020 01:34
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Yeah I am not ready to jump whole hog into literary critique of the details without the whole picture of the story beyond broad outlines, there has been some confirmation of odious thematic elements but those were obvious from the first reveal trailer. I am totally here for the corporate drama and hope we learn more about what mismanagement went on, if this was at its core a worker retaliation incident like the rumors are saying
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Apr 28, 2020 01:38
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i noticed on leaked cutscenes the build is stamped april 1st...
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Apr 28, 2020 01:43
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Can someone point us to an article about what's going on with the corporate culture at naughty dog people keep referring to
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Apr 28, 2020 02:06
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Firstborn posted:No, but what is? Ocarina
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Apr 28, 2020 02:09
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I'm guessing those plans for a TLOU movie never panned out because I'm now seeing that HBO bought the TV rights a little while back. Sony still has big plans to turn this into a media franchise (though they also tried that with an Uncharted movie and that's been sitting in limbo for ages with a revolving door of actors and directors). Oh, and Druckmann is attached as a writer, as is the one for Chernobyl.
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Apr 28, 2020 02:10
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After reading the spoilers all I have to say is that it all seems extremely 2013, especially the whole "misery porn as a replacement for character arcs" element.
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Apr 28, 2020 02:12
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tithin posted:Can someone point us to an article about what's going on with the corporate culture at naughty dog people keep referring to https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1238105082597687296 https://twitter.com/GameAnim/status/1238199242256052224 https://twitter.com/dbal/status/919284577566412801?lang=en
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Apr 28, 2020 02:13
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tithin posted:Can someone point us to an article about what's going on with the corporate culture at naughty dog people keep referring to https://dailygamingreport.co.uk/latest-gaming-news/former-naughty-dog-animator-speaks-out-against-companys-crunch-culture/
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Apr 28, 2020 02:13
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tithin posted:Can someone point us to an article about what's going on with the corporate culture at naughty dog people keep referring to Here's one. GamesIndustry.biz posted:When Soren Johnson, the designer of Offworld Trading Company and the host of the podcast, asked Hennig how difficult AAA development was on a personal level, Hennig replied, "Really hard. The whole time I was at Naughty Dog - ten-and-a-half years - I probably, on average, I don't know if I ever worked less than 80 hours a week. There were exceptions where it was like, 'Okay, let's take a couple of days off,' but I pretty much worked seven days a week, at least 12 hours a day."
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Apr 28, 2020 02:16
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a more compelling argument that man is the real monster than any zombie story could ever pull off
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Apr 28, 2020 02:18
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But what's this about them not being paid?
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Apr 28, 2020 02:21
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the only logical choice is now sell nd to kojima for $1 and mads mikkelsens half smoked ciggarette
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Apr 28, 2020 03:19
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Barudak posted:Happy lesbian couples in mainstream media exist to die. Hell having a game where, present tense, both members of the lesbian couple are alive is actually somewhat cutting edge because usually one is already dead at story outset You know, in retrospect, you really gotta give it to Days Gone. Both Rikki and Abbey live through the entire game and appear to still be together as of the story ending. Sure, Rikki seems to have a wandering eye, but they ain't dead, and that's something.
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Apr 28, 2020 03:56
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I'll just go ahead and say that her having a cycling bodybuilder's physique in the apocalypse just seems...out of left field and distracting? Is it some sort of horribly out of touch female empowerment thing?
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Apr 28, 2020 05:07
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lurker2006 posted:I'll just go ahead and say that her having a cycling bodybuilder's physique in the apocalypse just seems...out of left field and distracting? Is it some sort of horribly out of touch female empowerment thing? agreed, how and why would anyone be physically fit in an apocalypse where you have to literally fight for your survival
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Apr 28, 2020 05:27
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Stux posted:agreed, how and why would anyone be physically fit in an apocalypse where you have to literally fight for your survival it’s not even remotely feasible for her to have that physique in an apocalypse scenario. you don’t get that physique without a carefully regulated diet and full time weight training routine with gear usage on top of it. her being a lebron James-esque genetic freak trans woman is actually kind of the only explanation that makes any kind of sense (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 28, 2020 06:07
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Mandrel posted:it’s not even remotely feasible for her to have that physique in an apocalypse scenario. you don’t get that physique without a carefully regulated diet and full time weight training routine with gear usage on top of it. Every time I think of someone saying the leaks point to a story and game that sucks, I’m gonna remember this post. You, on the other hand, would be better off forgetting you ever made it.
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Apr 28, 2020 06:10
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Mandrel posted:it’s not even remotely feasible for her to have that physique in an apocalypse scenario. you don’t get that physique without a carefully regulated diet and full time weight training routine with gear usage on top of it. [im looking at my phone doing important stuff for official business in my serious normal job] huh? oh you said something? sorry was thinking about what would happen if garbage human beings were deposited in some sort of comically large pile of dynamite that was labelled "acme" and then some large flightless bird poked its tongue out and then blew them up. unrelated but have you considered going back to reddit or wherever you came from thanks haha
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Apr 28, 2020 06:36
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Why does this spoiler thread have a spoiler tag rule. Who is reading up on the Last of Us 2 leaks hoping not to get spoiled.
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Apr 28, 2020 06:50
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lurker2006 posted:I'll just go ahead and say that her having a cycling bodybuilder's physique in the apocalypse just seems...out of left field and distracting? Is it some sort of horribly out of touch female empowerment thing? There are zombies in this game
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RatHat posted:And we know the game doesn’t have these things because...? Ah yes, the portrayal of a vicious monster that beats a lesbian couple one of whom is pregnant as trans is definitely the sort of thing that would anger chuds. That portrayal doesn't at all sound like terf fanfiction.
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LostRook posted:Ah yes, the portrayal of a vicious monster that beats a lesbian couple one of whom is pregnant as trans is definitely the sort of thing that would anger chuds. missing the important step where she isnt trans and has just committed the unfortunate crime of being a muscular woman
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Apr 28, 2020 06:58
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Stux posted:missing the important step where she isnt trans and has just committed the unfortunate crime of being a muscular woman Or perhaps I understood that and was talking about perceptions? That chuds would love that, and people being angry with it would be justified? Indeed, do you really think the reality of the situation is going to change how it's talked about? This is going to lead to gross jokes forever.
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Apr 28, 2020 07:26
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There are videos of "Abby vs Ellie" but it's just Abby and Ellie getting pummeled by some Schwarzenegger level woman? So they think the other character is Abby? Idk what I'm missing in the video. I've seen the plot summary with the ending.
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JBP posted:There are videos of "Abby vs Ellie" but it's just Abby and Ellie getting pummeled by some Schwarzenegger level woman? So they think the other character is Abby? Idk what I'm missing in the video. I've seen the plot summary with the ending. yes
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