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nobody is motivated to vote for Biden, but considering how much people hated Hillary, people will be even less motivated to vote for him if Hillary of all people becomes VP loving incredible how Yank liberalism is committed to making the wrong decisions and hoping the proletariat will support them such is life I guess
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Grouchio posted:Biden might make Hilary his VP. He tweeted (I'm with her) to Hilary's tweet about a 3pm meeting she's been invited to. It's actually very clever. If Biden loses, his VP will be tainted going forward as someone who both enabled a rapist seeking the Oval Office and as someone who managed to lose a Presidential election to Donald loving Trump. So they pick the only person in the world who already has that baggage. It shows they believe in nothing and are already planning on losing the election, but that's kind of wrapped up in the phrase "presumptive nominee Joe Biden".
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bobjr posted:They aren’t going to make Hillary VP, only because the only person who thinks that’s a good idea is Hillary herself Hillary owns the party.
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Apr 28, 2020 18:36
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evilweasel posted:i don't get this "maybe democrats secretly don't care about voting rights" then why aren't they doing it in the spaces where they are able to effect that change right now? I mean you can't just say this is an insane possibility when it's been standard practice in blue strongholds since forever nivdes posted:they do not have "popular power" or any sort of meaningful power when it comes to blocking judicial nominees the Dems don't, because they're cowards who are terrified of engaging with or firing up their base. It's why Obama worked a politics does not begin and end in back rooms in congress and they have supporters in every single Republican district whose can be encouraged to be outraged and that outrage harnessed
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I still say Harris or Abrams would be the worst possible VP picks, but if Hillary is actually under consideration she's by far the worst She barely campaigned for Obama in 08 so I don't see her starting now, maybe she's just bored
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evilweasel posted:i don't get this "maybe democrats secretly don't care about voting rights" Hi. I was encouraged by the presumptive Democratic Presidential nominee to vote during a loving pandemic, and then told afterwards that this vote was democratic. They do not seem to have a very high bar set for what they consider to be fair elections. This isn't a secret. e: Youth voting sites in Texas having one booth and 5 hour lines can be blamed on the GOP if you want, but don't act like Dems weren't treating it like a loving happy accident. Solanumai fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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like, I genuinely struggle to see how the Democrats have any hope of winning if they keep Biden and pick Hillary as VP, they're looking at a repeat of 2016 at the bare minimum, but with Trump winning the popular vote decisively this is going to be a goddamn landslide.
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Shere posted:Hi. I was encouraged by the presumptive Democratic Presidential nominee to vote during a loving pandemic, and then told afterwards that this vote was democratic. also if you voted by mail to avoid the pandemic, they tossed out your vote! If you want to vote for Bernie in New York, tough poo poo, you'll have to vote for Biden or nobody and it'll still have to be in person! but yeah I'm sure the Dem machines that are famous for back room electioneering via ballot access are suuuuuper committed to opening things up, if only I could think of an example where they actually followed through on it lmao meanwhile my Republican governor pushed our primary back and rolled out no-questions absentee exception for this year, and the convenient web form to sign up for it launched today
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Venomous posted:like, I genuinely struggle to see how the Democrats have any hope of winning Trump would demand he be able to debate as the VP as well in this case
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Apr 28, 2020 18:44
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Epic High Five posted:then why aren't they doing it in the spaces where they are able to effect that change right now? I mean you can't just say this is an insane possibility when it's been standard practice in blue strongholds since forever a lot of blue states are doing it many of the holdouts (e.g. new york, massachussets) have local machine politics corruption issues where the incentives are different in any state where there's been a history of republican control (e.g. georgia) or nationwide, the incentives are strongly in favor of democrats doing it. that is why republicans supress votes; because it's directly in their interests to do so.
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Apr 28, 2020 18:45
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Venomous posted:like, I genuinely struggle to see how the Democrats have any hope of winning it leaked, its official that hillary is going to be announced as the pick
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Apr 28, 2020 18:47
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StratGoatCom posted:Maybe they're about to swap him for her naming her as VP would essentially be this regardless
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evilweasel posted:a lot of blue states are doing it So they don't care about voting rights unless it personally benefits the party? Sounds like they don't actually care about voting rights.
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Apr 28, 2020 18:48
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Grouchio posted:Biden might make Hilary his VP. He tweeted (I'm with her) to Hilary's tweet about a 3pm meeting she's been invited to. Isn't Hillary a TERF. I thought transphobia was supposed to be the one red line that could not be crossed. Guess not.
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HRC as VP would be absolutely, 100% the funniest loving thing ever to happen and I am here clap for clap it clap
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I, personally, think she's just bored or wanting to do this because it's specifically a women's forum. But god drat would it just be incredible if Hillary were named VP. Biden wouldn't last a week after the convention cracks and pings as far as the eyes can see across these lovely forums
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Apr 28, 2020 18:49
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Gumball Gumption posted:So they don't care about voting rights unless it personally benefits the party? Sounds like they don't actually care about voting rights. no, i'm telling you that even if you believe they don't actually care and they're craven bought toadies it still doesn't make sense to believe they're lying about an intent to reform voting rights if they get the chance
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Apr 28, 2020 18:50
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Ague Proof posted:Isn't Hillary a TERF. yeah shes a terf not long ago she had an interview (maybe for her stupid hulu thing idk) where she outright stated something to the effect of transpeople being dangerous to women
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Ague Proof posted:Isn't Hillary a TERF. quote:dems are gonna look themselves in the mirror, take a deep breath and tell themselves 'we gotta get more racist and transphobic'
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Ague Proof posted:Isn't Hillary a TERF. I think she talked about how we should fight less for trans rights, but it felt like turning that knob to acceptable bigotry more than outright being a TERF
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Apr 28, 2020 18:52
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She's a TERF but only when she's in the UK because she's literally just whatever the local well to do white women believe.
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Venomous posted:like, I genuinely struggle to see how the Democrats have any hope of winning 1. Biden is not picking Hillary. 2. All of the polling, the special elections since 2016, the 2018 midterms, Trump's utter and complete gently caress-up on COVID-19 that will pretty clearly leave at least 100,000 dead by November at this rate, an economy already in recession and very possibly in depression by November, etc. 3. It'll be a goddamn landslide alright, just not the direction you are thinking.
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Apr 28, 2020 18:53
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Haha holy poo poo it really is her turn again again.
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yronic heroism posted:You would shitpost the same either way I’m sure, but my point remains the same: voting Trump out is a necessary if not sufficient action to stop fascism. For whatever reason you do not agree with this necessary action and also devote time that you claim you use so well being this great humanitarian telling us how important it is for us not to take the necessary action. You clearly do not understand what 21st century fascism is. Here’s a start: quote:Fascism is not a form of state power "standing above both classes -- the proletariat and the bourgeoisie," as Otto Bauer, for instance, has asserted. It is not "the revolt of the petty bourgeoisie which has captured the machinery of the state," as the British Socialist Brailsford declares. No, fascism is not a power standing above class, nor government of the petty bourgeoisie or the lumpen-proletariat over finance capital. Fascism is the power of finance capital itself. It is the organization of terrorist vengeance against the working class and the revolutionary section of the peasantry and intelligentsia. In foreign policy, fascism is jingoism in its most brutal form, fomenting bestial hatred of other nations.... The development of fascism, and the fascist dictatorship itself, assume different forms in different countries, according to historical, social and economic conditions and to the national peculiarities, and the international position of the given country." - Georgi Dimitrov I made a thread on the current incarnation of fascism (inverted totalitarianism) in cspam if you’re interested. Voting Biden does absolutely nothing to prevent or cure this. A4R8 fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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How are u posted:1. Biden is not picking Hillary. hmm, this sounds....familiar
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Epic High Five posted:hmm, this sounds....familiar Yes, I have said it many times in this thread and in others in D&D.
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How are u posted:Yes, I have said it many times in this thread and in others in D&D. It's looking more like you're trying to persuade yourself, not us, HTH.
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How are u posted:Yes, I have said it many times in this thread and in others in D&D. yeah same here in 2016 thankfully this time around I don't think the best strategy is to sit back and let Trump dominate all media as a sure path to him losing
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evilweasel posted:no, i'm telling you that even if you believe they don't actually care and they're craven bought toadies it still doesn't make sense to believe they're lying about an intent to reform voting rights if they get the chance It does if you believe their concern doesn't extend beyond their personal advancement. Governor Abrams might push for voting rights as a feather in her cap to run for president, but maybe VP Abrams doesn't think she needs that boost and goes for an easier target that doesn't require her to piss off her donors quite as much. And I don't think Pelosi cares if she's majority or minority leader since she has her seat either way, so why help her associates in purple districts? Hell, them having difficult elections just motivates them to spend more time dialing for dollars. I suppose the discussion can't really go anywhere from here since we're discussing unknowable internal beliefs at this point, but I'll say I'd love to be wrong and I would hope to see legislation like HR1 passed. I just don't think the Dems would actually do it.
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evilweasel posted:it leaked, its official that hillary is going to be announced as the pick Wait, where was this, because all that's out there now is she's doing an appearance with Biden about women during coronavirus today.
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Epic High Five posted:the Dems don't, because they're cowards who are terrified of engaging with or firing up their base. It's why Obama worked a firing up the base means nothing when you're trying to stop the GOP from pursuing a goal that the entire party is united behind when it has the power to do so no number of protests outside of mitch mcconnell's office would've stopped them from seating judges
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Probably Magic posted:Wait, where was this, because all that's out there now is she's doing an appearance with Biden about women during coronavirus today. Far as I can tell, its a lazy troll... right now, anyway. 
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nivdes posted:firing up the base means nothing when you're trying to stop the GOP from pursuing a goal that the entire party is united behind when it has the power to do so so how does anything change under Biden if he's already committed to filling his administration with lobbyists and billionaire Republicans? what's the elevator pitch for Why It's Different This Time, why does my vote for Biden get me any more change than my votes for Obama did (none), if the default position of the entire party is to do absolutely nothing to oppose their treasured colleagues and friends to their right
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evilweasel posted:it leaked, its official that hillary is going to be announced as the pick lol no it isn't. This is just Hillary endorsing Biden. It would be pretty hilarious if she was the VP though.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:It does if you believe their concern doesn't extend beyond their personal advancement. Governor Abrams might push for voting rights as a feather in her cap to run for president, but maybe VP Abrams doesn't think she needs that boost and goes for an easier target that doesn't require her to piss off her donors quite as much. And I don't think Pelosi cares if she's majority or minority leader since she has her seat either way, so why help her associates in purple districts? Hell, them having difficult elections just motivates them to spend more time dialing for dollars. pelosi would want it because the more people that vote, the more likely it is she keeps her seat. she did, after all, just spend eight years in the minority where she got to do precisely nothing, and i'm sure she would rather avoid going back to that. she wants her associates in purple districts to keep their seat because those are her margin between one of the most powerful people in Washington, and one of the most irrelevant. i mean, after 2018 when was the last time you thought one bit about what McCarthy thought about anything? when was the last time anyone thought about what he thought about anything? do you think Pelosi wants to go back to that level of importance? evilweasel fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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evilweasel posted:pelosi would want it because the more people that vote, the more likely it is she keeps her seat. she did, after all, just spend eight years in the minority where she got to do precisely nothing, and i'm sure she would rather avoid going back to that. she wants her associates in purple districts to keep their seat because those are her margin between one of the most powerful people in Washington, and one of the most irrelevant. why would McCarthy need to do anything when Pelosi keeps rubberstamping Republican legislation?
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Gumball Gumption posted:She's a TERF but only when she's in the UK because she's literally just whatever the local well to do white women believe. In England they call her 'Karen Hillary.'
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help, despite still believing it's 0% possible, I'm still cackling manically about VP Hillary and the cascade of insanity such would entail
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Epic High Five posted:yeah same here It is currently 2020, not 2016, and a whole lot has changed since 2016.
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