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IMJack posted:I'm trying to remember if the original game had roulette traps in chests like Secret of Mana does. I am happy this game does not. SD3 had Roulette trap chests, it was why you made Hawkeye open all of the treasure chests.
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Is Watts's chain skill worth it?
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Apr 28, 2020 23:53
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Save it for your second playthrough. You'll have so much money at that point you won't care.
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Apr 28, 2020 23:56
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The dwarf that opens up the way to Watts sounds like Charlie Day.
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Apr 29, 2020 00:04
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Is the order you get Class items fixed? I got my first ??? Seed, saved and reset 3 times and kept getting the Knight's Tab (Duran's Light/Light item).
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Apr 29, 2020 00:13
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Mystery Seeds are set when you obtain them, not when you plant them
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Apr 29, 2020 00:16
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"Is nitromyte... food?" Oh, Kevin 
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Apr 29, 2020 00:20
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YggiDee posted:Mystery Seeds are set when you obtain them, not when you plant them Aw shucks
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Apr 29, 2020 00:40
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Somebody earlier in the thread pointed out that you can’t get duplicated items from ??? Seeds. I ran through each dungeon and grabbed the six ??? seeds from the Benevodon dungeons and can confirm I got one of each possible class items and so did several other people in the thread so I guess my advice is to get six seeds and you’ll always get the item you want. Anyway I just steamrolled Xan Bie after class changing and it owned.
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gandlethorpe posted:The dwarf that opens up the way to Watts sounds like Charlie Day. All the dwarves sound like old timey prospectors. The voice direction for the English version is a marvel to behold.
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You can absolutely get duplicates, I pulled two sets of Dusk Dice so I had to grind seeds to get what I needed.
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Sylphid sounds like Jon Lovitz.
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Apr 29, 2020 02:32
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I got extremely lucky and pulled the classes I wanted for Reize and Hawkeye in my first two seeds. I then proceeded to get nothing but more classes for them while poor Kevin languished for ages.
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Apr 29, 2020 02:55
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I got duplicates after my first 6 (so I had one of each class for my party) but 4 of those were from chests. We'll see what happens with the ones I brought over from New Game + (especially since I have Kevin in this party being my 'stand there and heal' bot.) gandlethorpe posted:Is Watts's chain skill worth it?
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YggiDee posted:You can absolutely get duplicates, I pulled two sets of Dusk Dice so I had to grind seeds to get what I needed. Did you wait until you had six in your inventory before growing them? Or did you do them one at a time? You apparently can’t get duplicates if you have six in your inventory. But only for ??? seeds I guess.
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ImpAtom posted:I got extremely lucky and pulled the classes I wanted for Reize and Hawkeye in my first two seeds. I had a similar outcome. First pull was Grand Diviner Angela, then the wrong Riesz one (I wanted Star Lancer), the other Angela one, a dupe of the wrong Riesz one, a dupe of the Grand Diviner one, and then finally the Star Lancer one. Kevin was in class 2 while I was liquifying Zable Fahr with lasers. 
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Apr 29, 2020 03:13
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man Malocchio can gently caress right off, cereal mascot-rear end wannabe vampire. Knocking down his heal ghost things in the extremely limited time you are given is kind of rough. Everything else through to the end of the base game was fairly straightforward though. Guess I'll see what the deal with Anise is tomorrow.
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:Did you wait until you had six in your inventory before growing them? Or did you do them one at a time? I think the trick is to grind six ??? seeds before you start turning them in.
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Apr 29, 2020 03:37
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Really surprised Hawkeye doesn't get all flirty in the Amazon base. Found him talking about Stella in Valsena. Maybe he just has a thing for aunts.
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The "wait till you get 6 ??? Seeds" trick does work. I got one of each class item for Kevin, Riesz and Duran. Went with Enlightened for Kevin, Liege for Duran and Fenrir Knight for Riesz...and changed Riesz costume back to Rune Maiden. Why Japan?
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Apr 29, 2020 04:15
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Really appreciate some of the little extra touches they added. Like the dog in Astoria  Then there's a goofy cute cactus standing in some rubble 5 feet away from him Edit: Wow, they made the koropokkur town 10000x more interesting. Though, I do wish they had put a Bi'g Cactus somewhere gandlethorpe fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Apr 29, 2020 |
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I had completely forgotten the Koropokkur part even existed. That whole section is extremely weird, you're searching for Sylphid and get sent off on a quest to learn a strategy that basically boils down to "yeah, still need to find Sylphid"
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Apr 29, 2020 04:34
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Yeah, it's pretty convoluted, especially since it never comes into play again. And don't forget the convenient way you get the squeaky hammer. Whatever, I love this game's goofy plot.
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Apr 29, 2020 04:37
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Honestly the hardest part of a Charlotte-Kevin team is that Kevin gets something absurd like a 40% damage boost at low health and Charlotte will never, ever let me exploit it. I should rebuild her as a Necromancer, it'll give her something to do instead of neurotically manage my HP.
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Apr 29, 2020 04:40
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gandlethorpe posted:Yeah, it's pretty convoluted, especially since it never comes into play again. And don't forget the convenient way you get the squeaky hammer. Whatever, I love this game's goofy plot. Oh definitely. It's a goofy, fun plot but also takes a backseat enough to let you just enjoy the gameplay. If people like this remake they should definitely play Ys 8 - it plays very similarly but the combat is more refined. It's also enjoyably anime bonkers as hell too.
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Apr 29, 2020 04:42
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Malocchio is Magic Brian and you can't convince me otherwise.
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YggiDee posted:Honestly the hardest part of a Charlotte-Kevin team is that Kevin gets something absurd like a 40% damage boost at low health and Charlotte will never, ever let me exploit it. I should rebuild her as a Necromancer, it'll give her something to do instead of neurotically manage my HP. Can't you set her to not use items or magic?
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I could set Charlotte not to use items or magic but it seems like a huge waste of a High Priestess. Changing her class will give her some better offensive options at least.
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I want to do the other three for a second play through, but am wondering if a NG+ is a good idea or not. I suppose I would just be starting the game with all items and all the money I’d ever need which isn’t any different from how I always had all the money necessary to upgrade gear anyways, but with lvl 1 and no weapons. Is there an achievement or something? Anyways, I loving hate that I switched Duran from Light/Dark to Dark/Dark before I hit class 4 because Liege was infinitely more useful than Duelist. Not having that group heal was really rough since I had the ability that gave me 5MP every 5 seconds making MP management a non issue as he could heal for roughly 60% on everyone on every cast. He did okay damage, but I felt I was missing out by not having sword buffs or that super-strong class strike. Turns out the grass isn’t greener. Archmage Angela with Riesz buffing (Star lancer) and Duran (Liege) was a very powerful party and I regret switching away from it, since now I’m chomping chocolates and candy and honey constantly when before I had a basically limitless healing reserve. I should just switch back. Liege is cooler looking anyways.
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jokes posted:I want to do the other three for a second play through, but am wondering if a NG+ is a good idea or not. I suppose I would just be starting the game with all items and all the money I’d ever need which isn’t any different from how I always had all the money necessary to upgrade gear anyways, but with lvl 1 and no weapons. Is there an achievement or something? The main thing with NG+ is that ALL chain abilities that you've learned carry over, even if they're from characters that aren't in your NG+ party, so you can potentially build some really broken combos.
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Apr 29, 2020 05:44
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Some of the chains abilities are a bit overpowered which seems too tempting for me. The tomato man one that gives you 30% MP reduction at the cost of HP plus the MP over time ability(ies) alone means that MP management is a non-concern. Speedrunning seems like part of the intended way to play the game with how NG+ works.
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What's the best build for a Riesz / Kevin / Charlotte team? I've always gone light for Kevin but I think this time I'll make him dark with Charlotte.
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seiferguy posted:What's the best build for a Riesz / Kevin / Charlotte team? I've always gone light for Kevin but I think this time I'll make him dark with Charlotte. I just finished an OG run with Fatal Fist/Necromancer/Star Lancer that breezed through the final dungeon. I imagine it's just as strong here. Basically, Kevin melts everything with the support of Riesz's team buffs and Charlotte's Dawk Cuwse
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I decided to test Special Effect's "attack increased when enemy has status effect". When an enemy just had attack down (couldn't turn that off) Hawkeye did 100-150 damage with normal attacks. After poisioning it he did 150-200. So it looks like stat-downs don't count as status effect. That's supported by Retain boosting the duration of "status increase" (which I assume includes decreases since it's not a chain skill and on Hawkeye) but it raises questions why Hawkeye gets Special Effect in his Ninja Master line, the only status effect he gets there is from Toxic and he just gets the first rank of that. I was testing at endgame which could have other chaotic stuff going on I forgot about. If anyone's in a position to confirm I'd appreciate it.
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gandlethorpe posted:Yeah, it's pretty convoluted, especially since it never comes into play again. And don't forget the convenient way you get the squeaky hammer. Whatever, I love this game's goofy plot. The thing I miss the most is that you can't use the hammer as an active item anymore, so you actually have to heal status effects instead of just using it twice really fast
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I'm using Enlightened Kevin with Liege Duran. I use Kevin to toss Moon Saber on Duran who has Provoke to draw aggro, and then go to town with Kevin Riesz provides stat down resistance, debuff enemies and summons Hexas for extra 
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My Riesz/Duran/Angela party works well but actually it’s just Angela spamming infinite Lucent Beam+ at a boss. It’s kind of a bummer because Riesz is my favorite character to play as but Angela is infinitely stronger, and the AI is really bad at casting spells. I kinda wish there was a difficulty above hard.
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Bruceski posted:I decided to test Special Effect's "attack increased when enemy has status effect". When an enemy just had attack down (couldn't turn that off) Hawkeye did 100-150 damage with normal attacks. After poisioning it he did 150-200. So it looks like stat-downs don't count as status effect. That's supported by Retain boosting the duration of "status increase" (which I assume includes decreases since it's not a chain skill and on Hawkeye) but it raises questions why Hawkeye gets Special Effect in his Ninja Master line, the only status effect he gets there is from Toxic and he just gets the first rank of that. I noticed the same thing. Luckily toxic is easy to apply.
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Apr 29, 2020 07:02
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Bruceski posted:I decided to test Special Effect's "attack increased when enemy has status effect". When an enemy just had attack down (couldn't turn that off) Hawkeye did 100-150 damage with normal attacks. After poisioning it he did 150-200. So it looks like stat-downs don't count as status effect. That's supported by Retain boosting the duration of "status increase" (which I assume includes decreases since it's not a chain skill and on Hawkeye) but it raises questions why Hawkeye gets Special Effect in his Ninja Master line, the only status effect he gets there is from Toxic and he just gets the first rank of that. I'm pretty sure Retain makes stat boosts cast ON that character last longer, not stat boosts cast BY that character.
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