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I read that conversation in the Shinra building as the opposite of redemption. It feels like it's more of a Banality of Evil moment than anything. Up until this point if you hadn't played the original you might think Reno is some psycho cokehead enforcer but nah he knows what he's doing, he feels conflicted by it, but he does it anyway, and then makes excuses for it afterwards to try to assuage his guilt. If he's written competently then next time the party runs into the Turks they'll double down on their assholishness when confronted about it. In all likelihood though since the plate drop was simultaneously a great tragedy and yet didn't seem to actually kill anyone due to the miraculously effective evacuation they'll probably have some bloo bloo all-is-forgiven moment though. Sapozhnik fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Apr 29, 2020 |
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I mean if you've played the original you know where the whole thing with the Turks is going.
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Apr 29, 2020 14:31
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This is the same writer/director combo who made Advent Children, where the Turks had an at least somewhat heroic role (and also Rufus managed to survive getting exploded by Diamond Weapon). Doesn't mean they'll do it the same way twice, admittedly.
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JBP posted:The party try to kill a shitload of people with bombings. Sorry that Reno and Rude are competent. Shinra aren't people, but I am uncomfortable with how casual Berett is with collateral damage. Harrow posted:They already started setting up the redemption arc in this game so I guess buckle up? Yeah, I can see that (but Sapzhnik makes a good point). SyntheticPolygon posted:I mean if you've played the original you know where the whole thing with the Turks is going. I do. It's just 50 year old me has a completely different outlook on life than 26 year old me. I guess I'm just frustrated these days with so many lovely, evil people in power skating through life consequence free that I'd like to not see it in a video game. I'm still going to play the poo poo out this and the sequels.
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I mean even in the original the Turks become sorta goofy recurring bosses, then allies of convenience who eventually decide they like the party more than their bosses and stop opposing the group. I imagine the general direction will be the same.
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Proteus Jones posted:Shinra aren't people, but I am uncomfortable with how casual Berett is with collateral damage. They are people and the entire crew knows that destroying the reactors is a recipe for immediate explosive death followed by grinding death without power. SyntheticPolygon posted:I mean even in the original the Turks become sorta goofy recurring bosses, then allies of convenience who eventually decide they like the party more than their bosses and stop opposing the group. I hope so I really like the Turks
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Apr 29, 2020 14:34
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cock hero flux posted:hojo loving gross
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JBP posted:They are people and the entire crew knows that destroying the reactors is a recipe for immediate explosive death followed by grinding death without power. I know. I'm being half hyperbolic/half serious with my comments. The redemption stuff still bothers me a bit, but it is what it is.
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If nothing else, I think we'll get more Shinra/Turk content in the remake than in the original. They were definitely setting up an important role for Rufus, given that he could see the Whispers and Tseng couldn't. And also if they're going to stretch this beyond three parts as it sounds like they might, they'll need something to fill in story time, and Shinra and the Turks are probably good candidates for that.
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cock hero flux posted:finding out he was a science experiment was disconcerting but the true secret he uncovered was that hojo was his dad I don't remember that part from the original. It has been decades, though.
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cock hero flux posted:he was the direct result of hojo loving and nibelheim was where it happened, cleansing it with fire was the only solution he could think of and you're lying if you say you wouldn't have done the same 
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Apr 29, 2020 15:01
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UltraRed posted:I don't remember that part from the original. It has been decades, though. I think they're kidding but like, bitch me too.
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hojo, rubbing his cheek on the shinra manor's master bed: "this is where your dear mother and i.......cop-u-la-ted"
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Sometimes I forget that Hojo is Sephiroth's actual biological dad and it's funny all over again every time I remember
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They should've made a prequel where you play as Hojo to cash in on the sad dad genre of games Sad dad, mad dad, close enough
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Harrow posted:Sometimes I forget that Hojo is Sephiroth's actual biological dad and it's funny all over again every time I remember You can see the family resemblance, can't you? brains and beauty, what's not to like?
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In the remake Hojo saves the world by giving Sephiroth a hug and saying, tearfully, "I'm proud of you, son"
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Harrow posted:In the remake Hojo saves the world by giving Sephiroth a hug and saying, tearfully, "I'm proud of you, son" They should have made Seph a silent protagonist so I could live through this vicariously 
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UltraRed posted:They should have made Seph a silent protagonist so I could live through this vicariously You could always make yourself one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1B3gATS0GE
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Immensely funny to me that not even Hojo's AI son likes him.
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The whispers of the planet are the protagonists we deserve. "Why does poo poo happen?" "because it do"
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https://twitter.com/aitaikimochi/status/1255501379382259713 Watch this twitter thread as a translator is going through a lot of the notes previously discussed.
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JBP posted:The party try to kill a shitload of people with bombings. Sorry that Reno and Rude are competent. Same but ironically
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JBP posted:The party try to kill a shitload of people with bombings. Sorry that Reno and Rude are competent. No they don't. The intent is not to "try" to kill innocent civilians. Killing Shinra mooks is fine to them because the mooks are complicit in the destruction of The Planet but Avalanche are absolutely not intentionally trying to murder or terrorize the regular citizens. The intent is to stop the resource exploitation and destruction of The Planet. Jessie even intentionally tries to build a weak bomb to minimize damage and casualties. But they're also all admittedly rank amateurs at all this eco-terrorism stuff so yeah of course they're not going to think everything through and then also they have no idea that Shinra is going to self-sabotage as a means of propaganda.
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i like how when during the final battle when the party learns their predetermined futures that cloud never sees Aerith's face during the reveal of her death, he sees bits and pieces but never her actual face. Also calling it now that Nomura's hidden meaning for Remake is that this game ended with the ability to remake destiny lol. This game ruled and i'm super hype for part 2.
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Oxxidation posted:hojo, rubbing his cheek on the shinra manor's master bed: "this is where your dear mother and i.......cop-u-la-ted" brb buying Flopsy a new avatar
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Speaking of Hojo https://twitter.com/Saltbeast_/status/1255165055156412416
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When this fame comes out on the PC, someone should make a mod that lets you play as Cloud in a dress all the time.
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Hot christ, I just got to Nibelheim in the OG and there’s a small version of the black-cloak entities here. 
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Rhonne posted:When this fame comes out on the PC, someone should make a mod that lets you play as Cloud in a dress all the time. Oh it will, but somebody's already on that via save editor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdRzAzBDXQc
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Pollyanna posted:Hot christ, I just got to Nibelheim in the OG and there’s a small version of the black-cloak entities here. Presumably that was the little kid from the Kalm flashback (the one who has his sister parroting him). How he would have escaped Nibelheim burning and then been clonified, well...Hojo did have that convenient lab nearby
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Dubious posted:i like how when during the final battle when the party learns their predetermined futures that cloud never sees Aerith's face during the reveal of her death, he sees bits and pieces but never her actual face. Also calling it now that Nomura's hidden meaning for Remake is that this game ended with the ability to remake destiny lol. Aerith lives... but she goes back to Zack!!! My teenage self would never have recovered.
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Aeris lives, but only if her affection rating is higher than Tifa's.
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Luceo posted:Aeris lives, but only if her affection rating is higher than Tifa's. Tifa... dies?!? How far back will I have to reload? What if you romance Barret
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UltraRed posted:Tifa... dies?!? How far back will I have to reload? Seph shishkabobs both Tifa and Aeris. edit: and Yuffie
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In the industry that's what's known as a shipkebab.
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Luceo posted:Seph shishkabobs both Tifa and Aeris. Actually wouldn't be surprised if he goes after Tifa this time around, considering. He's really been laying on making Cloud look unstable when Tifa's around and if that doesn't work, well....
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Harrow posted:If nothing else, I think we'll get more Shinra/Turk content in the remake than in the original. They were definitely setting up an important role for Rufus, given that he could see the Whispers and Tseng couldn't. And also if they're going to stretch this beyond three parts as it sounds like they might, they'll need something to fill in story time, and Shinra and the Turks are probably good candidates for that. I am looking forward to seeing Remake Elena get more screen time
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BaDandy posted:I think it would have gone slightly better if he were just told, "Yeah, you have human parents, we just stuck alien cells into the womb to see what would happen." Not, you know, coming to the conclusions of "Here's your mother, The Thing. You're also the same as these humans turned monsters." It was always odd to me that he never actually grappled with the truth in any way - I guess it doesn't really matter to him anymore after he decided to be a god and his incorrect assumptions were only the catalyst for that, but it would be interesting to see if finding out that he was mostly human after all had any impact at all. Sapozhnik posted:I read that conversation in the Shinra building as the opposite of redemption. It feels like it's more of a Banality of Evil moment than anything. I didn't get the impression that many people actually got out of the plate collapse - they evacuated a tiny neighborhood of the slums that happened to be where several party members live and where most of the people they know and care about are from, but when you start climbing the tower and see how big the plates are it's pretty clear that the devastation is enormous - the ruins stretch as far as the naked eye can see (they literally look like they're the size of a small state), and everyone living on top of the plate died too. Reeve mentions "catastrophic figures"as well, and given how he is written as the bleeding heart member of the Shinra board, I doubt he was talking about structural damage. There's a lot of incidental NPC dialogue implying that peoples' families are dead and stuff too. I will agree that having Biggs *and* Wedge survive is a bit much, though. Grizzled Patriarch fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Apr 29, 2020 |
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