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Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

Randarkman posted:

We don't often like to talk about it, but there's just a whole bunch of stuff pointing to substantial occurences of corruption and grift in public procurement and construction projects in Norway. I'm fairly certain you have a bunch of politicians with essentially compromised interests and stakes in companies that are awarded public contracts and/or they give insider information on this to people who they know who do. Consequence of all of it being a pretty small circle all things considered.

And it doesn't just result in these delays like you see here and in the construction projects, but you also see other negative consequences coming out of it, such as in Bergen where I'm almost certain that grift, nepotism and other forms of corruption were very influential in causing the local authorities to approve the (very expensive) construction and opening of big new schools in the city center (public and private) without much regard for the fact that this would result in scool overcapacity (that is there were far too many school spots and too few students) across the district.
When this predictably happens the local authorities just shrugged and unilaterally voted to close down a number of public high schools outside of the city center in less wealthy areas (Laksevåg had about 3 schools closed IIRC, one of which I worked at) in order to adress the issue of overcapacity, saddling students with pretty long commutes as they were haphazardly relocated to other schools that could take them and the teachers and staff, many of whom were settled down with families in the local area to get new positions as far afield as Voss and beyond.

Small rant. But this whole thing just legitimately makes me loving angry.

Hi I work (among other things) in public procurement and administration of and around construction projects.

It's a heady mix of incompetence, ignorance of the consequences and huge businesses having shady backroom dealings with elected officials with compromised neutrality. Hth.

The reason is we're a small nation with powerful local syndicates and professional local politicians. It was always as thus and as thus shall always be.

E: vote Rødt.

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SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

PederP posted:

And if the most likely (IMO) outcome occurs - that this is not at all under control, she can point the finger at those who failed to act as they were asked, and blame the stricter measures on those people.

This was exactly the plan, apparently (re: Politiken). Such leadership. :allears:

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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the case of school capacity in Bergen in particular is incredibly egregious, and combined with karakterbasert opptak it leads to working-class kids in the city proper also getting absurd commutes. laksevåg has been shat on for decades, unfortunately

also lol schjelderup went straight from politics to a cushy job at a major developer, loving gangster business

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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he didn't even put the whole bybane fiasco properly to bed!!!! loving rear end in a top hat

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

V. Illych L. posted:

the case of school capacity in Bergen in particular is incredibly egregious, and combined with karakterbasert opptak it leads to working-class kids in the city proper also getting absurd commutes. laksevåg has been shat on for decades, unfortunately

also lol schjelderup went straight from politics to a cushy job at a major developer, loving gangster business

I'm not sure if this is specifically their doing, but I loving hate Høyre.

Fartbox
Apr 27, 2017
What's happening? Dri fu an only two? what is this?
Is this an avatar? I don't know rm dunk

As if every drat country isn't completely saturated by corruption. Your local random politican is always gonna cave when Corporation Man offers him a huge payday for something they can get away with

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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fwiw i've actually gotten a bit of respect for the guy heading bergen labour now, roger valhammer. he seems, idk, basically serious about running the city in a reasonable way, by which i mean that he hasn't seriously pissed me off in how he's handled any particular situation this far in his tenure

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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Randarkman posted:

I'm not sure if this is specifically their doing, but I loving hate Høyre.

if it's politics in bergen between cirka 1990 and 2016 it's Høyre

they've done so much damage to my town, with a gurning poo poo-eating grin, the nincompoops

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

R0 in Denmark has jumped from 0.6 to 0.9 since the re-opening started.

Katt
Nov 14, 2017

Happy may first

Första Maj :sweden:

Suttene May :denmark:

Cinco de mayo :finland:

MRLOLAST
May 9, 2013
Glad Valborg, Hyvää Vappua!
Only time you ever get to use your old student cap is if you visit Finland this evening.

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

Katt posted:

Happy may first

Spis de rike :norway:

Första Maj :sweden:

Suttene Femtredjsoghalvfjers May :denmark:

Cinco de mayo :finland:

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

Honestly I don't get why people congratulate each other on May day. Have people always done this or is it a recent thing? Seems like a weird thing to do, congratulations for what, being on the left? Because the 8 hour day was won 100 years ago? I really don't understand.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

I have mixed feeling about 1th of May taking place over shoddy facebook livestreams and World of Warcraft. Covid-19 never fails. :(

Katt
Nov 14, 2017

Pretty loving ballsy of the king to celebrate his birthday this close to may first. Is there a Swedish winter palace?

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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Grevling posted:

Honestly I don't get why people congratulate each other on May day. Have people always done this or is it a recent thing? Seems like a weird thing to do, congratulations for what, being on the left? Because the 8 hour day was won 100 years ago? I really don't understand.

source ur quotes

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

V. Illych L. posted:

source ur quotes

No really, I understand saying things like "god kampdag" but congratulating just seems weird to me.

Katt
Nov 14, 2017

8 hour day? Does anyone here return home from work 8 hours after leaving home when doing a 40 hour work week?

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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Grevling posted:

No really, I understand saying things like "god kampdag" but congratulating just seems weird to me.

do you congratulate people on constitution day

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

Grevling posted:

Honestly I don't get why people congratulate each other on May day. Have people always done this or is it a recent thing? Seems like a weird thing to do, congratulations for what, being on the left? Because the 8 hour day was won 100 years ago? I really don't understand.

1st of may is for being hungover or doing gardening. Unless you are one of the 1%.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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me, i do both, because it's cool to celebrate workers and because it's cool to celebrate the banning of jews and jesuits from the realm

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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Cardiac posted:

1st of may is for being hungover or doing gardening. Unless you are one of the 1%.

:catstare:

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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imagine being that much self-loathing lol

cardiac that's probably the most pathetic thing i've ever seen you post, you too deserve dignity despite your absurd choice of profession

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


what's wrong with gardening

Katt
Nov 14, 2017

Andrast posted:

what's wrong with gardening

Only property owners do gardening on a day off.

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

V. Illych L. posted:

do you congratulate people on constitution day

I don't. I consider that awkward too. But I don't like that day in general. I just think it's feels weirdly individualistic and identitarian to use the same phrase as people use on each other's birthdays on May 1st.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Grevling posted:

I don't. I consider that awkward too. But I don't like that day in general. I just think it's feels weirdly individualistic and identitarian to use the same phrase as people use on each other's birthdays on May 1st.

Yeah, it's just awkward, nothing special really. Congratulations are for birthdays and weddings and such, not Constiution Day or May 1st, we also don't do it for Christmas which also would seem awkward.

Anyway, it's recent thing isn't it? Feels like it for both 17th and 1st May that it's kind of taken off in the last 10 years or so that people congratulate each other on that. I can't really remember it always being a thing. Could be the follies of time, but it really does feel like a recent phenomenon that has taken off because of use on social media.

Katt posted:

8 hour day? Does anyone here return home from work 8 hours after leaving home when doing a 40 hour work week?

Nowadays there is no difference between my home and my place of work.

Randarkman fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Apr 30, 2020

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

V. Illych L. posted:

imagine being that much self-loathing lol

cardiac that's probably the most pathetic thing i've ever seen you post, you too deserve dignity despite your absurd choice of profession

In case you missed it, the 1% in this case are the people who actually care about why 1st of May exists.
The rest of us see it as a free day, kinda like Store Bededagen which is about as artificial.

Also, based on other subjects you post in, I would guess we are not actually that far away in profession.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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Cardiac posted:

In case you missed it, the 1% in this case are the people who actually care about why 1st of May exists.
The rest of us see it as a free day, kinda like Store Bededagen which is about as artificial.

Also, based on other subjects you post in, I would guess we are not actually that far away in profession.

right that is why it's pathetic - contempt for those who want a better world because they don't follow the majority opinion is jantelov as all get out, loving slave morality stuff

also on the second bit yeah we're adjacent which is why i allow myself to comment

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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comrades, come rally!

Government Handjob
Nov 1, 2004

Gudbrandsglasnost
College Slice

Cardiac posted:

1st of may is for being hungover or doing gardening. Unless you are one of the 1%.

Bruh, you just posted cringe.

PederP
Nov 20, 2009

1st of May is a mockery of what it celebrates - a mix of the drunken revelry that distracted workers from their plight in ages past and increasingly just a day off for the middle class - perhaps enjoying some nice take-away delivered by the actual proletariate. It's contemptible how most labor unions (with a few exceptions) complete ignore the gig economy and how it relies on a new underpaid proletariate denied even the most basic of labor protection through pro forma "business-to-business" contracts.

Until they start doing something about the gig economy, the speeches on the 1st of May are nothing but hypocrisy and make-believe.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



SplitSoul posted:

R0 in Denmark has jumped from 0.6 to 0.9 since the re-opening started.
Well I, for one, am utterly shocked. Who could possibly have predicted this? Someone please think of the economy some more, surely that'll help!

PederP
Nov 20, 2009

SplitSoul posted:

R0 in Denmark has jumped from 0.6 to 0.9 since the re-opening started.

Also infection rates among 13-19 year olds have doubled. SSI has a hypothesis that is due to teens lacking proper impulse control and having changed their behaviour recently. It's funny they don't even consider it might be linked to high schools being reopened for a good third of the students?

Or no, it's not funny. This re-opening is so poorly executed and monitored it approaches criminal levels of incompetence.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot
I like it; it gives you a lot more leeway to be outspokenly socialist with colleagues and acquaintances. It normalizes a lot of the language and ideas. It let's you annoy "libertarians" by posting the Internationale in the company slack with plausible deniability.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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PederP posted:

1st of May is a mockery of what it celebrates - a mix of the drunken revelry that distracted workers from their plight in ages past and increasingly just a day off for the middle class - perhaps enjoying some nice take-away delivered by the actual proletariate. It's contemptible how most labor unions (with a few exceptions) complete ignore the gig economy and how it relies on a new underpaid proletariate denied even the most basic of labor protection through pro forma "business-to-business" contracts.

Until they start doing something about the gig economy, the speeches on the 1st of May are nothing but hypocrisy and make-believe.

how does it feel to be a huge sourpuss

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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norwegian LO has the gig economy as its biggest target and constantly rants about it, the big unions are not idiots

class war doesn't have to be all bleak all the time, may day is an excellent carneval of politics and the singing and euphoria are necessary and good for the health and coherence of the movement

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

I love May day even though I think saying "gratulerer med dagen" is weird and out of place. I think it's right that it does good.

Government Handjob
Nov 1, 2004

Gudbrandsglasnost
College Slice
May Day is Christmas and May 17th at the same time, imho.

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Mooey Cow
Jan 27, 2018

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Pillbug
On May Day the employers pat their workers on the head, saying "congratulations on your day! (The rest of the year belongs to us)".

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