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Whitenoise Poster posted:Then what the gently caress was the point of the stupid ghost poo poo. Just to pointlessly piss off dumb internet people and a cheap excuse to end this part of the game with a pair of big fanservice boss fights? was eradicating advent children from the timeline not a noble enough goal initself
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I still think they just mean the structure of the game is going to be similar and you'll go to most or all of the same places and see a lot of the same things happen there, but they're not precluding any plot swerves. I wouldn't be super super surprised if the lesson ends up being that you have to accept your destiny (for Aerith in particular), but I don't think the end of this game is going to be totally meaningless.
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Whitenoise Poster posted:Then what the gently caress was the point of the stupid ghost poo poo. Just to pointlessly piss off dumb internet people and a cheap excuse to end this part of the game with a pair of big fanservice boss fights? Pissing off dumb internet people is better than any DLC they could have made for this.
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Sinteres posted:I still think they just mean the structure of the game is going to be similar and you'll go to most or all of the same places and see a lot of the same things happen there, but they're not precluding any plot swerves. I wouldn't be super super surprised if the lesson ends up being that you have to accept your destiny (for Aerith in particular), but I don't think the end of this game is going to be totally meaningless. they've also lied through their teeth about the intended direction of episode 1 multiple times prior to release so i'm not taking anything they say now as gospel
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With how good and how drat fun this one is, the only thing I need to know from SE is when the next one comes out.
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Nomura suggests elsewhere in the interview that the ending is building to something that will eventually be explained and make sense but that he can't talk about it yet. Maybe there'll be occasional weirdness like that cropping up throughout the remake series that eventually leads to a big reveal, but the majority of the games will still follow the big, memorable locations and scenes people expect to see.
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Proteus Jones posted:Pissing off dumb internet people is better than any DLC they could have made for this. Do you guys really not see the absurd contradiction in going "haha look at these losers getting mad it's not a 1:1 remake. *turns around* anyway I fully expect and desire a 1:1 remake from here on out." A ton of people seem to 100% agree with the angry fans but don't want to look uncool or caremad so they make fun of them while simultaneously hoping that 20% of the game was essentially a huge prank that won't matter.
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Tifa is gonna save Aerith, Clouds gonna die and Red will take his place as the awkward pretty boy everyone has the hots for.
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Genuinely want things to get more and more off the rails as the game continues. This is the number one thing that made me take notice and I'd even be okay with them "remixing" the story, but god I want this to dive into full blown surrealism by the end. Even if it ends up being a bad gamble, I can find a lot of corny or "cringey" things entertaining, so I'll still get my money's worth.
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Whitenoise Poster posted:Do you guys really not see the absurd contradiction in going "haha look at these losers getting mad it's not a 1:1 remake. *turns around* anyway I fully expect and desire a 1:1 remake from here on out." I'm down for a wild ride as long as it's still recognisably Final Fantasy 7. This game was recognisably Final Fantasy 7 with some wildness thrown in - which is fine by me. I'm more concerned how they divide the game up and handle mechanical aspects of it than changes to the plot.
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Whitenoise Poster posted:Do you guys really not see the absurd contradiction in going "haha look at these losers getting mad it's not a 1:1 remake. *turns around* anyway I fully expect and desire a 1:1 remake from here on out." I don't think that's what anybody's saying. just because they're teasing the idea of something happening doesn't mean it will happen and even if it does happen it will probably not happen the way you expect it to happen. there's a lot of things going forward in the story that they can change or expand on or toy with from different angles while still keeping what makes FF7 what it is, which is what they've being done so far and very well. what they've done is declare that there can and will be curveballs going forward. they probably won't be the curveballs you're expecting.
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Whitenoise Poster posted:Do you guys really not see the absurd contradiction in going "haha look at these losers getting mad it's not a 1:1 remake. *turns around* anyway I fully expect and desire a 1:1 remake from here on out." Nope don't agree with the angry fans. In fact I think they're idiots who have exactly no imagination or thinking skills and need everything spoon-fed to them in easily digestible nuggets of information. I'm also excited that it won't be a 1:1 remake. I can't think of anything more boring and will be incredibly disappointed if that's how things turn out going forward. stev posted:I'm more concerned how they divide the game up and handle mechanical aspects of it than changes to the plot. Also the intentional "we're slowing you down" chokepoints so they could load more textures will hopefully be reduced or eliminated, but that's likely a hardware thing that the PS5 will alleviate. I've been hearing the "oops, we loaded a rough low res texture" is more of a known Unreal bug that pops up, but whatever it is I hope there will be a fix for that soon. Proteus Jones fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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I don't care about a 1:1 remake at all personally. Like I think the most interesting way to handle it is to roughly follow the plot beats but use the space inbetween to explore new stuff / shore up characterization / throw the occasional curveball, and the possibility of split timelines allows for a lot of twists and turns while still being recognizably FF7. Doing a Gus Van Sant's Psycho version of FF7 sounds like an incredibly boring act of creative cowardice to me. Other people are free to disagree obviously.
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No, I think what you described sounds like my ideal FFVII experience. I'd really like to see more reactions from 3rd party members to things that happen instead of just something like "Cloud and Tifa freak out at each other while so and so just stands there." (which WAS in the OG btw). Would LOVE what they are doing with the character interactions to continue, I think there's going to be less other party members standing around and being confused about Sephiroth because they're probably going to save full blown reactions for during the Nibelheim flashback and onward.
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They've... already said they're going to change some things but they won't completely upend the plot. Like, hypothetically if we met up with Aerith again at the Ancient City and she announced that actually she intends to summon Holy to cleanse mankind from the planet completely and the squad begrudgingly accepts Sephiroth into their party to take her down then that would be a really cool concept but it's so far off the rails that it's absolutely not FFVII any more. Maybe it would make a cool Final Fantasy Versus VII ten or fifteen years down the line if any of us are still alive then but that's not what's coming down the pipe now.
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og ff7 doesn't have the "red 13 tries to smile" scene so it's already in danger of falling perilously behind the remake in my personal rankings
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Oxxidation posted:og ff7 doesn't have the "red 13 tries to smile" scene so it's already in danger of falling perilously behind the remake in my personal rankings OG FF7 lacks Charith and the wall market dancing sequence. Enough said.
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I think my big difference here is, with the single and sole exception of the plot ghosts and the murdering of, every single other change could of been casually slipped into a normal remake. Early sephiroth? Expanded characterization? Extra scenes? The minor avalanche members surviving? All of that and a hundred more things over the course of the next ten parts could be part of what I would consider a 1:1 remake. There is exactly one plot beat big and important enough to justify, even necessitate putting stupid rear end destiny spirits and alternate timeline nonsense in this game. Thats right, this time seph and cloud will kiss
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FFVII Remake Part 3: Dudes Kissin’
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Whitenoise Poster posted:Thats right, this time seph and cloud will kiss About fuckin' time
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BaDandy posted:About fuckin' time The golden ending we've been waiting for.
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Whitenoise Poster posted:I think my big difference here is, with the single and sole exception of the plot ghosts and the murdering of, every single other change could of been casually slipped into a normal remake. Early sephiroth? Expanded characterization? Extra scenes? The minor avalanche members surviving? All of that and a hundred more things over the course of the next ten parts could be part of what I would consider a 1:1 remake. If you consume the special drink in Corneo’s colosseum Sephiroth will join you for the Golden Saucer date.
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RatHat posted:If you consume the special drink in Corneo’s colosseum Sephiroth will join you for the Golden Saucer date. Turns out the drink was replaced with poison. It's either go on the date or don't get the antidote.
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Whitenoise Poster posted:Thats right, this time seph and cloud will kiss It'll still lead into Advent Children, but this time with gaynst.
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After looking up the characters from Crisis Core I’m beginning to think a side effect of the SOLDIER program is losing all body hair.
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Anyone know what the music at this specific moment is called, or have a link for it? it's the Nibelheim music I think but like in super spy mode. I love it so much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDVomVk9eIg&t=1763s
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RatHat posted:After looking up the characters from Crisis Core I’m beginning to think a side effect of the SOLDIER program is losing all body hair. Considering part of the process is literally taking a mako bath I imagine you're probably right. It's probably like sitting for hours/days in a tank of Nair.
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The shaving is manual. SOLDIERs are just imbued with the knowledge of generations past that bishi boys are the ideal way to be. Same reason Cloud can dance.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Anyone know what the music at this specific moment is called, or have a link for it? it's the Nibelheim music I think but like in super spy mode. I love it so much. Shining Beacon of Civilization? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYN4vnketVM
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zedprime posted:The shaving is manual. SOLDIERs are just imbued with the knowledge of generations past that bishi boys are the ideal way to be. Same reason Cloud can dance. You end up being really precise at swordplay when you have to shave with a Buster Sword.
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BaDandy posted:Shining Beacon of Civilization? Thank you, goon!
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I know it probably wasn't technically possible but it felt like Midgar was really sparsely populated. Sure the game felt long enough but I think it would have been nice to be sent to some of the other parts of the city, especially when we were blowing up reactors. Maybe just to drive home how many ways of life were now reliant on Mako or under the boot of Shinra in various different ways. Kind just to ramp up the impact of everything a little. Especially when they dropped the plate.
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Mako Man Randy Savage.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:I don't care about a 1:1 remake at all personally. Like I think the most interesting way to handle it is to roughly follow the plot beats but use the space inbetween to explore new stuff / shore up characterization / throw the occasional curveball, and the possibility of split timelines allows for a lot of twists and turns while still being recognizably FF7. Doing a Gus Van Sant's Psycho version of FF7 sounds like an incredibly boring act of creative cowardice to me. Other people are free to disagree obviously. I kind of agree with you, poo poo really should go off the rails now that they have committed. Falling back to a 1:1 remake not only pisses off those who want cloud and seph to kiss, it pisses off the fans who wanted a 1:1 remaster from the beginning. Nobody wins in that scenario.
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Proteus Jones posted:Pissing off dumb internet people is better than any DLC they could have made for this. 
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One thing worth noting is that the Ultimania interview was done before the game came out, back in March, so it's not reflecting them backtracking based on fan backlash or anything. My guess is that Kitase meant that the story will be the same in the big picture and that they'd be remaking/adapting all or almost all of the most iconic scenes and places that fans would want to see, but I think a lot of us assumed that anyway even after the ending. I guess we won't know what's really going on at least until part 2 comes out, though.
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I am an Aeifa shipper so I definitely want the plot to go awry. Also today I watched a stream of someone going through the Nibelheim flashback in the original and I am amped, it's gonna be a long wait
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I don't even want them to kiss, I just want Seph to do more and more elaborate, weird gestures until Cloud gets annoyed with him like he did the first time around.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I am an Aeifa shipper so I definitely want the plot to go awry. Ayyyyy!  I'm so on board for this, I have no faith we're gonna get it but my God I would be so happy!
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