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Ross DaouThot
Aug 31, 2018

when i hit that loud and open cspam the adam curtis music starts playing

nut posted:

Internet Speech Will Never Go Back to Normal

“In the great debate of the past two decades about freedom versus control of the network, China was largely right and the United States was largely wrong. Significant monitoring and speech control are inevitable components of a mature and flourishing internet, and governments must play a large role in these practices to ensure that the internet is compatible with a society’s norms and values.”

lol

before i hovered over the link i thought to myself

"hmm... the atlantic."

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Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016

Toplowtech posted:

It's pretty funny the guy who wrote "look at those crazy peasants believing things similar to modern conspiracy theories LOL" don't look at what happened after they started believing in them and do not come to the conclusion we are going the exact same way for the exact same result. No he is like "Do not be like those peasant guys, all that did to them is allow them to watch the people they hated being guillotined".

It's the wrongest most infuriating take.

taqueso posted:

Those peasants what a bunch of idiots thinking they were getting screwed

No kidding, not at all like today!

veepfake
Oct 21, 2005


Toplowtech posted:

The thing is in the decade preceding pre-revolution France tons of savage speculations did happen and at least one nobleman was sent to the Bastille to protect him from the death penalty he got from raping young flesh.
It's pretty funny the guy who wrote "look at those crazy peasants believing things similar to modern conspiracy theories LOL" don't look at what happened after they started believing in them and do not come to the conclusion we are going the exact same way for the exact same result. No he is like "Do not be like those peasant guys, all that did to them is allow them to watch the people they hated being guillotined".

Still fucks with me the pedophocracy is real. Feels like the methods and power needed to keep that form of sex slavery removed from the general public's eye would've needed to exist for an insanely long time

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Dune was a documentary

Giga Gaia
May 2, 2006

360 kickflip to... Meteo?!

veepfake posted:

Still fucks with me the pedophocracy is real. Feels like the methods and power needed to keep that form of sex slavery removed from the general public's eye would've needed to exist for an insanely long time



is all thats needed

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




from my notifications today

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




:cursed:

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

not totally comfortable being moderated by someone with epstein connections

Hardon Crime
Jan 15, 2020

hubba hubba hubba hubba

shame on an IGA posted:

Dune was prophecy

ftfy

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica

Egg Moron posted:

not totally comfortable being moderated by someone with epstein connections

It's okay, the mods have known and actually it's part of a long-running plan to bust them.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Squizzle posted:

from my notifications today



mods knew

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
Look guys, two D&D mods both being CIA assets does not a pattern make.

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

Helsing posted:

Look guys, two D&D mods both being CIA assets does not a pattern make.

no wonder the opinions in d&d are so bad, things are starting to make sense now

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

what are yall on about?

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


Helsing posted:

Look guys, two D&D mods both being CIA assets does not a pattern make.

idgi

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica

mods knew

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

mods flew

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009


Vilerat - "State Department Analyst"
Brown Moses - "Independent journalist who just happens to push viewpoints that suit the US/UK and is funded by entities that are basically CIA fronts"

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

though to be fair, it's possible Brown Moses is with British intelligence rather than with the CIA directly. lol

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

the ped program

https://twitter.com/BGrueskin/status/1256314320327184385?s=19

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


the ped-to-fed pipeline

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

still blows my mind that people think he acted alone and there was no US government/intelligence agency involvement. there are still people who think he was a one off, that he wasn't just one node in a global syndicate with the power to elect officials, wage wars, sell drugs, and murder people in max security prisons, that has existed for at least 100 years. but then again people who still doubt the syndicates existence are all pedophiles themselves so wcyd.

gh0stpinballa has issued a correction as of 22:04 on May 1, 2020

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

gh0stpinballa posted:

still blows my mind that people think he acted alone and there was no US government/intelligence agency involvement. there are still people who think he was a one off, that he wasn't just one node in a global syndicate with the power to elect officials, wage wars, sell drugs, and murder people in max security prisons, that has existed for at least 100 years. but then again people who still doubt the syndicates existence are all pedophiles themselves so wcyd.

i'm guessing it spun out of the catholic church's version around the time martin luther nailed his 95 theses to a church door

Cached Money
Apr 11, 2010


one of the scorpions album covers is literally child porn

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

piiinnn --click--

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

Spergin Morlock posted:

Vilerat - "State Department Analyst"
Brown Moses - "Independent journalist who just happens to push viewpoints that suit the US/UK and is funded by entities that are basically CIA fronts"

oh these dusty old bones i thought we had new arrivals

Cached Money
Apr 11, 2010

taqueso posted:

piiinnn --click--

my brain is making the sound a gearbox makes when you try to force it into gear without using the clutch, constantly

Regulus74
Jul 26, 2007

gh0stpinballa posted:

the ped program

The people in the replies going "well what else could they call the program? :rolleyes: Get your minds out of the gutter conspiracy theorists :smuggo:" make me suddenly glad my twitter was suspended.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

Remember when Ghislaine Maxwell's emails were hacked and then nothing happened?

Ograbme
Jul 26, 2003

D--n it, how he nicks 'em

Spergin Morlock posted:

Vilerat - "State Department Analyst"
Brown Moses - "Independent journalist who just happens to push viewpoints that suit the US/UK and is funded by entities that are basically CIA fronts"
Party Plane Jones- OSS handler for Operation Paperclip

Inverted Icon
Apr 8, 2020

by Athanatos

Ograbme posted:

Party Plane Jones- OSS handler for Operation Paperclip

And that's how we know we hit the money

nut
Jul 30, 2019

I read Chaos off this threads suggestion is there a post with similar recs because that consumed half of my week no problem

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

nut posted:

I read Chaos off this threads suggestion is there a post with similar recs because that consumed half of my week no problem

we have a chaos thread if you wanna go deeper on that book friend, but otherwise i would recommend

programmed to kill and weird scenes inside the canyon both by dave mcgowan

the united states of paranoia by jesse walker

the devil's chessboard

operation gladio by daniele ganser

the franklin ring by nick bryant (pure and primo epstein poo poo, i have a hunch larry king was a node in the network just like epstein)

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

gh0stpinballa posted:

the devil's chessboard

I read this and just crack pinged all over the place

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

gh0stpinballa posted:

we have a chaos thread if you wanna go deeper on that book friend, but otherwise i would recommend

programmed to kill and weird scenes inside the canyon both by dave mcgowan

the united states of paranoia by jesse walker

the devil's chessboard

operation gladio by daniele ganser

the franklin ring by nick bryant (pure and primo epstein poo poo, i have a hunch larry king was a node in the network just like epstein)

Should be noted that it's not THAT Larry King

animist
Aug 28, 2018
a bit back someone mentioned a book about different factions in American intelligence, one east coast and one west coast I think? what was that called?

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

comedyblissoption posted:

i ctrl+f'ed russia and of course

did russia steal xi's chair when it was his turn? no? then clearly, it works!

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

MizPiz posted:

Should be noted that it's not THAT Larry King

it should also be noted that daniele ganser is not THAT sybill edmonds

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

animist posted:

a bit back someone mentioned a book about different factions in American intelligence, one east coast and one west coast I think? what was that called?

You might be thinking of this post I made in the Chaos thread:

quote:

gh0stpinballa posted:

yep, and also twin it with the devils chessboard

Have you ever checked out a book called The Yankee and the Cowboy War by Carl Oglesby? It's an older conspiracy book but it tries to draw links between Dallas 63 and Watergate and views them as deep events (though it doesn't use that term as the the book predates Peter Dale Scott's coining of that term by several decades) in a clandestine power struggle between two loose coalitions of power players, one based in the North East and looking toward Europe and the Atlantic (the Yankees) and the other based primarily in the South West and focused principally on the Pacific and Asia. These two coalitions, which are more loose affiliations or power networks rather than stratified formal organizations, can be traced back to the Reconstruction period after the Civil War, but they came into conflict over their differing foreign policy agendas (with the Yankees opting for a less confrontation detente that was best suited to Europe while the Cowboys wanted a more confrontational rollback strategy that would halt the growth of decolonization and communist movements in Asia). Here's Oglesby's discussion of conspiracy theories, which I think is relevant to this thread as well as the Epstein one (hell, Epstein was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations):

quote:

Am I borrowing on Quigley then to say with the far right that this one conspiracy rules the world? The arguments for a conspiracy theory are indeed often dismissed on the grounds that no one conspiracy could possibly control everything. But that is not what this theory sets out to show. Quigley is not saying that modern history is the invention of an esoteric cabal designing events omnipotently to suit its ends. The implicit claim, on the contrary, is that a multitude of conspiracies contend in the night. Clandestinism is not the usage of a handful of rogues, it is a formalized practice of an entire class in which a thousand hands spontaneously join. Conspiracy is the normal continuation of normal politics by normal means.

What we behold in the Round Table, functioning in the United States through its cover organization, the Council on Foreign Relations, is one focal point among many of one among many conspiracies. The whole thrust of the Yankee/Cowboy interpretation in fact is set dead against the omnipotent-cabal interpretation favored by Gary Allen and others of the John Birch Society, basically in the respect that it posits and divided social-historical American order, conflict-wracked and dialectical rather than serene and hierarchical, in which results constantly elude every faction’s intentions because all conspire against each and each against all.

This point arose in a seminar I was once in with a handful of businessmen and a former ambassador or two in 1970 at the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies. The question of conspiracy in government came up. I advanced the theory that government is intrinsically conspiratorial. Blank incredulous stares around the table. “Surely you don’t propose there is conspiracy at the top levels?” But only turn the tables and ask how much conspiring these men of the world do in the conduct of their own affairs, and the atmosphere changes altogether. Now they are all unbuttoned and full of stories this one telling how he got his competitor’s price list, that one how he found out whom to bribe, the other one how he gathered secret intelligence on his own top staff. Routinely, these businessmen all operated in some respects covertly, they all made sure to acquire and hold the power to do so, they saw nothing irregular in it, they saw it as part of the duty, a submerged part of the job description. Only with respect to the higher levels of power, around the national presidency, even though they saw their own corporate brothers skulking about there, were they unwilling to concede the* prevalence of clandestine practice. Conspiratorial play is a universal of power politics, and where there is no limit to power, there is no limit to conspiracy.

The following passage also has very crack ping vibes to it:

quote:

It is certainly true, as Dorfman says, that Skolnick goes beyond the evidence in a self-discrediting way in claiming that shadows like the above demonstrate intentional poisoning in the 553 crash. Here Skolnick seems at his most lurid, turning, in Dorfman’s words, every “assumption” into a “conclusion,” every “hunch” into a “fact.”

Still, Skolnick’s informed misses teach us more of the truth of Watergate power politics than the baseless reassurances Dorfman prefers. That is because, first, Skolnick’s overall conception of what goes into politics, what constitutes it, what comes out, is currently rooted in real experience. So even wandering at his most hysterical through dismal swamp, as perhaps with the cyanide question (and perhaps not), Skolnick still makes more sense and does more good teaching than those who use modest rhetoric to tell us there is nothing wrong. Something in fact may be quite wrong, the wrong may be of Satanic magnitude, and there is no way the standard statistic-ridden, political-sociology models employed in conventional federal-academic discourse can even focus the structured character of what is wrong. These models, these assumptions, give us a lone madman here and a lone madman there, as though our time’s violent assault on presidential figures were the purest contingency, purest acts of God, unstructured, random events lying outside the events constitutive of “politics” proper and of no greater interest to the “political scientist” than the normal airplane accident or the normal heart attack.

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A4R8
Feb 28, 2020
:lol:

A4R8 has issued a correction as of 22:22 on Nov 8, 2020

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