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Reactionaries have always used this concern-trolling and abuser logic of reversing victim and offender. During the women's suffrage movement there were anti-suffragettes: wealthy white women who grasped that their class interests would be threatened if poor women and especially women of color were to start voting, taking political power away from their wealthy husbands. Of course they didn't say that, instead they just claimed to be the real feminists by protecting male-only franchise. They argued women have the real power in the existing system, because women 'vote in the bedroom', they control sex within the marriage and control their husband by sex see, so it's really been women voting all along. This woman's suffrage movement is a ruse by rakish ne'erdowell dudes to seduce votes from silly poor and single women and put the government under the control of sexist male playboys. Same tactic now. Supporting male patriarchy is woke and feminist because it's in the financial interests of wealthy white women who benefit from an unequal system, supporting equality is sexist and dudebro-adjacent
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StratGoatCom posted:When did it hit similar numbers on Hilldawg? at this point they had Killary up 7
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If anything this proves the party is locked in with Biden no matter what. Death march is the right word for it in so many ways.
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Sydin posted:Rank and file Dem voters who rely on liberal MSM have internalized it as a defense mechanism at this point. Any attack on the Dem establishment must just be sour grapes Berniebros and/or Russian trolls. Much in the same way that to those relying on Fox News any attack on Trump makes you an unpatriotic communist. It's an easy way to discredit anything that's inconvenient to how you want to view the world. Case in point. https://twitter.com/emilyelarsen/status/1256174855151591425?s=19 Trying very hard to think of a term I hate more than "due process" and coming up blank. terrorist ambulance posted:If you took a lot of adam smith out of context and presented it to modern day people they'd think it was written by a communist Try telling people that quote by Smith about workers needing to band together to defend their class interests as the only way to defeat capitalist exploitation and they'll call you a liar. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 18:34 on May 1, 2020 |
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Lemming posted:I don't disagree about the average American, but there's a significant subset of Democrats who have actually believed the progressive messaging that the establishment has lied about believing in, and the absurd heel turn which is going to require them to call Reade a lying slut for six months is absolutely going to crush them Yeah, elections are won at the margins. Ever since 2016 Democrats have messaged nonstop about being the party of protecting women, most Democrats obviously don't give a poo poo about that (party of Bill Clinton lol) except as a way to bash the other side, so the messaging isn't for them, it's for the people who do actually believe it and can be motivated to vote for Democrats when they weren't before. Those are the people who are going to be lost if the Dems run the Trump/Kavanaugh playbook on victims who accuse a Democrat, and the Democrats need those votes that's why they started adopting the mantle of #MeToo in the first place!
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May 1, 2020 18:32
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StratGoatCom posted:When did it hit similar numbers on Hilldawg? From what I can find (which only starts in June and includes both Johnson and Stein), IBD was consistently in the Clinton +1-4 range (outside of a tie in late August) before flipping to Trump right before the election. Edit: Found them for a 2-way race. At this time in 2016 IBD was Clinton +7 for a 2-way race, and only hit a Clinton +1-2 consistency from August on.
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quote:at this point they had Killary up 7 rare Magic card l00k posted:From what I can find (which only starts in June and includes both Johnson and Stein), IBD was consistently in the Clinton +1-4 range (outside of a tie in late August) before flipping to Trump right before the election. If poo poo is already smouldering now, they're in real trouble. 
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Lol hillary https://twitter.com/lineopaint/status/1256083854458122240?s=19
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StratGoatCom posted:If poo poo is already smouldering now, they're in real trouble. Glad to see your so gleeful about Trump winning and loving over the country again. Let me ask you this: how have you been affected by Trump (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ghost Leviathan posted:If anything this proves the party is locked in with Biden no matter what. Death march is the right word for it in so many ways. Well what would you like them to do? The presidential primaries are effectively over due to the pandemic, and the news broke after a whole bunch of states voted. Biden should have the decency to step down on his own, but the damage is done and replacing him won’t improve the party’s chances in November.
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Willo567 posted:Glad to see your so gleeful about Trump winning and loving over the country again.  at their deserved failure. That lot deserve trump, and will get what they warrant, but none of the rest of us do.
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Joe Biden should be prosecuted, and his congressional records until they are opened do not absolve him of any guilt from any criminal prosecution. Also, this remains the belief of most Americans, not democrat. VitalSigns posted:If the scandal causes Trump to win so be it
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TyrantWD posted:Well what would you like them to do? The presidential primaries are effectively over due to the pandemic, and the news broke after a whole bunch of states voted. lol at the bolded you mean they covered up the news until after a whole bunch of states voted, right this was always their plan, keep the scandal under wraps until the candidate wins the primary, if the scandal causes Trump to win so be it same thing they did in 2016 with Hillary's emails, her Wall Street speeches, etc, all that mattered was defeating progressives, not defeating Republicans
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StratGoatCom posted:The loving party is causing this by not moving heaven and earth to shitcan a loving rapist, and indeed, did so to coronate him. They aren't gonna do anything about it other then poo poo in the face of rape victims, so I'm gonna Let me ask you again: how have you/your loved ones been affected by Trump? And by the way, people who vote against Trump don't loving deserve him. Don't say people deserve poo poo to happen to them just because they're desperate to get Trump out Willo567 fucked around with this message at 18:45 on May 1, 2020 |
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Epic High Five posted:capitalism is fundamentally incapable of dealing with stuff like this, like by design, and the extreme capitalism we have right now isn't even willing to bring on board the sort of modest reforms that would trick people into thinking the system works or that electoral approaches can deliver relief ala the New Deal The system’s inability to do anything but grift and shovel money to the rich, even in the face of oblivion, is why I sincerely worry that there will be an explosion of political violence over the next few decades or maybe even a civil war. Democracies like the US can’t draw legitimacy from something like the divine right of kings. Their stability rests entirely on the people’s belief that if things get bad they can get involved and change things for themselves. They ARE the government, no there’s no point in trying to destroy it. When that belief goes away though the system becomes incredibly fragile. People no longer trust the government to look after their needs, and since they don’t think voting or running for office will accomplish anything that leaves only more violent options on the table when a new crisis hits. Just to be clear, I don’t think the coming depression will be the one that does it. It will suck and people will die but I think people are still well off ~enough~ and have enough faith in the government to wait for the system to work. But what about the next crisis? Or the one after that? Each of these “recoveries” where nobody actually recovers increases the odds that the next recession will eat into more than people’s credit and savings. People who go from owning homes to renting today will start becoming homeless a decade from now, or dying of untreated illnesses, or even dying of starvation. How many stories can people read about families killing and eating their pets before they decide that maybe the lofty ideals of nonviolence are overrated? It’s genuinely terrifying for me to think about. And no, I don’t think it will necessarily be the glorious socialist uprising we all secretly yearn for. Far more likely is the possibility that the fascist right is who comes out on top. It sounds nuts to think about your libertarian uncle going full Nazi but remember that ALOT of people will directly benefit from fascism, which promises to elevate a chosen few by robbing and exploiting a smaller minority. Especially compared to Neoliberalism, which is completely dysfunctional benefits nobody but the most wealthy. I fully admit I’m probably just be catastrophizing here. It’s entirely possible that the neolibs will wake the gently caress up and actually pass some reforms out of sheer desperation and this whole thing will blow over for another century, but watching how the Democrats are handling things now it’s hard to be optimistic. E: There’s also a chance that the military does a totally-not-a-coup to “calm things down” and then just never gives up power. So that’s fun. readingatwork fucked around with this message at 18:50 on May 1, 2020 |
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quote:Let me ask you again: how have you/your loved ones been affected by Trump? Considering I'ma gonna get hosed by the economy making GBS threads the bed because of him, yeah. Again, I'm gonna save my opprobrium for the fucks who bungled any chance of stopping him, because Trump don't care.
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TyrantWD posted:Well what would you like them to do? The presidential primaries are effectively over due to the pandemic, and the news broke after a whole bunch of states voted. there's half a dozen other bloodless neoliberal ghouls that will murder poor people and foreigners as much as biden will but have (probably) not raped anyone (yet), they can just switch him out it's not like the dem base will ever not just blindly agree with anything the dem leadership tells them
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Willo567 posted:Glad to see your so gleeful about Trump winning and loving over the country again. Wow must be nice for you that you didn't realize the country was hosed until Trump took office. Glad you managed to make it through 8 years of Obama/Biden without being affected, lucky you. Got any more taunts you want to throw down from your ivory tower?
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Trabisnikof posted:Except as was just posted earlier, Democrats aren’t doing better at picking up swing governorships or senate seats. You keep posting it but it's still wrong. In Obama's first term, the GOP gained 8 governors during Obama's first term. During Trump's term, the Dems gained 9.
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Willo567 posted:Glad to see your so gleeful about Trump winning and loving over the country again. Noones gleeful about the odds of trump getting re-elected, my dude. But if the dems really wanted to win, they wouldn't be pushing so hard to get a different rapist in the white house.
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May 1, 2020 18:45
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Willo567 posted:Let me ask you again: how have you/your loved ones been affected by Trump? We have failed the DNC again. If only we'd stopped believing women sooner.
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Mat Cauthon posted:Try telling people that quote by Smith about workers needing to band together to defend their class interests as the only way to defeat capitalist exploitation and they'll call you a liar. Smith and Marx are interesting to read in parallel because they both come to a lot of the same conclusions about the failings of Capitalism, it's just that Smith thinks it's salvageable whereas Marx does not. Everybody quotes the invisible hand poo poo but doesn't read the parts where Smith visits factory towns in Scotland and sees workers doing the same repetitive task for 12-14 hours and then as soon as their shifts end going out, drinking themselves into a stupor, and straight up beating the poo poo out of each other because it's the only way they can find to release some of the pent up frustration, and Smith concludes "if you actually want this system to work even remotely long term you can't keep treating workers like they're sub-human."
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VitalSigns posted:lol at the bolded Funny how the DNC is somehow all powerful and completely incompetent based on the point someone wants to make. The DNC were ready to consolidate behind someone else to take on Bernie or keep splitting the vote if that’s what it took to prevent him reaching the threshold. Biden’s own camp weren’t even expecting to catapult to the top the way he did. Even after SC they were still considering dropping out if they didn’t close enough of the gap on the Super Tuesday. The DNC didn’t cover up Hillary’s emails either. That was a scandal that began before a primary vote was cast. Bernie chose not to make it an issue during the campaign, but it was still the top story on the Democratic side of things. How many people here knew who Tara Reade was in late February? Or early March? Even progressive news outlets weren’t promoting the story back then.
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is pepsi ok posted:Wow must be nice for you that you didn't realize the country was hosed until Trump took office. Glad you managed to make it through 8 years of Obama/Biden without being affected, lucky you. Got any more taunts you want to throw down from your ivory tower? Tell me how Obama/Biden has screwed you over. I can tell you that Trump left the Kurds to die, almost instigated a war with Iran, has told people that COVID-19 is nothing, and has elevated radical right wing groups.
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TyrantWD posted:Funny how the DNC is somehow all powerful and completely incompetent based on the point someone wants to make. The DNC were ready to consolidate behind someone else to take on Bernie or keep splitting the vote if that’s what it took to prevent him reaching the threshold. Biden’s own camp weren’t even expecting to catapult to the top the way he did. Even after SC they were still considering dropping out if they didn’t close enough of the gap on the Super Tuesday. they're focused on and good at protecting their own and fighting the left, they're bad at everything else because they don't care about anything else Reade came forward last year but unfortunately she came forward to a Dem-run and Republican-owned catch and kill operation, and since her abuser was a powerful senior figure in their club they told her to pound sand. Now they are running Weinstein-style smear campaigns against her, directed in part by Anita Dunn, who ran smear campaigns for Weinstein it's all out there in the open, they're not lying or hiding anything anymore, they're just hoping that you'll see everything they really are and still vote for them because they aren't ever going to change
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TyrantWD posted:Well what would you like them to do? The presidential primaries are effectively over due to the pandemic, and the news broke after a whole bunch of states voted. Biden's sexual assault accusation isn't his only complaint, it's not news that Biden is a loving pervert and in fact here you go: https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1251896736248926208 I was forced to vote during a pandemic, the selection of a senile sex pest was already undemocratic by that measure alone. It's not like the Blue No Matter Who folk seem to care, so I'm not going to buy that we have to be stuck with this when we have 6 months to fix it. Willo567 posted:Tell me how Obama/Biden has screwed you over. How about we don't have a pointless victim contest because selecting presidential candidates this way seems to be extremely flawed!
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My Uncle had a hard time getting adequate healthcare because he was poor and he died in 2013. gently caress Obama and gently caress his VP
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Popy posted:My Uncle had a hard time getting adequate healthcare because he was poor and he died in 2013. gently caress Obama and gently caress his VP The only way I and my wife could afford healthcare in 2013 was through Obamacare. Medicaid expansion was supposed to be able to cover the poor, and GOP governors are the ones that stopped it from doing so.
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Willo567 posted:Let me ask you again: how have you/your loved ones been affected by Trump? Why aren't you apoplectic with rage at the Democratic party for pushing forward and protecting a rapist instead of being mad at people who hate rapists
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Willo567 posted:Tell me how Obama/Biden has screwed you over. I lost everything in the 08 recession and had to move back in with my parents after a small bit of surgery ended up costing me $10k. Obama did nothing to help me at the time but he moved heaven and earth to make sure the people that hosed me over didn’t go to prison and we’re made whole in the end. gently caress Obama. He was a liar and a conman who stabbed everyone who worked their asses off to get him office in the back.
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RottenK posted:there's half a dozen other bloodless neoliberal ghouls that will murder poor people and foreigners as much as biden will but have (probably) not raped anyone (yet), they can just switch him out it's not like the dem base will ever not just blindly agree with anything the dem leadership tells them Do you really think people will just fall in line if the DNC crown a nominee who didn’t actually win the primary or someone who maybe didn’t even compete? Not a chance. Beyond that, do you think the Democrats win in November after being forced to replace the nominee for being a rapist? Like I said, the damage is done. Don’t expect the party to worry too much about rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Does anyone really think that Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer wouldn’t be eager to kick Biden to the curb if it meant they got to be majority leaders in January?
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I still can’t square: Biden is supposed to win (the primary) easily so that makes it OK to take away the right to vote for millions of Americans. Biden is supposed to win (the general) easily so that makes it BAD for me to not deliver my one vote to Biden. Either votes don’t matter in a landslide or they do. If they matter then disenfranchising millions of Americans is terrible and undermines Biden’s victory to the point that you can’t call it democratic. If they don’t matter then no one has a moral obligation to vote for Landslidin’ Biden. (Obviously this changes if you think Biden might lose to Trump, but so far 0 pro-Biden posters have taken that position.)
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Willo567 posted:Let me ask you again: how have you/your loved ones been affected by Trump? agreed, people suffering under Trump definitely don't deserve what the Democratic Party is doing to them. Throwing the election to Trump by nominating a rapist is truly a despicable tactic by a DNC desperate to keep Trump in power
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Trabisnikof posted:I still can’t square: I've consistently taken the position that I don't care who you vote for. I'm not telling people to vote for Biden. I just think he'll win.
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Thanks for all the refrains of "All you Bernie or Bust types are just here on the forums or on Twitter, there are way less of you than you think, most people like Biden!" I love being when data and time ends up proving all these dumbass libs wrong.
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Trabisnikof posted:I still can’t square: Because you're thinking your vote has power and is a personal message that you're sending to the party that says "I support this!". The party views your vote as something that is deserved. They didn't need it in the primary so they don't ask for it but they do need it in the general so if you don't give it you're a bad person who should be shamed. At no point is it about what you want/think/feel.
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TyrantWD posted:Do you really think people will just fall in line if the DNC crown a nominee who didn’t actually win the primary or someone who maybe didn’t even compete? They obviously think people will just fall in line with whatever, they're already telling people to believe this guy respects the hell out of women (who are all crazy liars anyway) https://twitter.com/ramrants/status/930108293069938689 "Just fall in line with young gay Biden or midwestern lady Biden, it's all the same" seems like a much smaller ask than "yo don't believe any women who complain about the guy seen here grabbing little girls"
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Willo567 posted:Tell me how Obama/Biden has screwed you over. I'd be glad to. - I lost half my career earning potential in the recession. - My dad, who worked his entire life in construction, lost his home and had to file for bankruptcy. - I had to pay out the rear end for healthcare premiums and I still put off going to the doctor out of fear of insane hospital bills. - I had to watch the resurgence of the kinds of groups that put people like me in camps go completely unchecked. - I had to watch friends move back with their parents and settle for menial jobs which they still hold today. - I guess war doesn't affect me directly, but since you brought it up, Obama bombed seven different countries and took all the damage that Bush did to the Middle East and made it permanent. If you want to vote for the rapist, just loving do it. That's your right. But if you want to act like you're doing something noble and that I'm the privileged one because I don't want 4 more years from the guy who already gave me 8 terrible years you can come suck the poo poo right out of my rear end in a top hat.
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