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Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

Ms Adequate posted:

No I get that the perception of success begats more support, but Corbyn is gone now and the left is somewhere between adrift and smashed to pieces, so if you want to keep trying to do good you have to be ready for it to loving suck and have no guarantees of success, and to be ready to try anyway.

Yeah that's called "hope".

That good point you just made is why people jacking off over the hope is a lie meme should be told to gently caress off.


Edit: actually rather than tell people to gently caress off we should try to win them over to a better position but you get what i mean

Vitamin P fucked around with this message at 01:17 on May 2, 2020

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endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Vitamin P posted:

They didn't even mention doing 'good' so get that right, it was explicitly prescriptive, the only positive value was 'personal meaning' and hope was presented as irrelevant.

Even your misinterpretation is dumb as hell. Activism and not giving up is extremely difficult, expecting people to somehow keep trying to do good without any hope that the better world they're working for is actually possible is just ridiculous. Do you think all the people that got politically activated because Corbynism suddenly proved that things don't have to keep getting worse were lying?

:jerkbag:

Maybe slow down and think for a second before you accuse others of misinterpreting statements.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52508836

I'm convinced they keep showing pictures of it for a reason but to me there's just something very wrong about seeing baby faced squaddies shoving things in people's mouths :/

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

endlessmonotony posted:

:jerkbag:

Maybe slow down and think for a second before you accuse others of misinterpreting statements.

Yeah my bad I just read the exact words that you wrote.

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Vitamin P posted:

Yeah my bad I just read the exact words that you wrote.

Funnily, so did Ms Adequate and she had a completely different understanding as to what I meant.

She got it at least roughly correct too, and you didn't. Makes you wonder why.

You can do things for a hope of a better world, or for the thrill of victory, but you're just setting yourself up for disappointment and disillusionment. Sometimes doing the right thing doesn't pay off. Sometimes there's no chance for the outcome you want, no matter how hard you try. Doesn't mean you shouldn't try to do the right thing.

And since none of us are born with a reliable inner sense of right or wrong - or even an understanding of the true consequences of our actions - the only guides left are either trusting other people know what they're doing and following along... or finding meaning in what you do, knowing you're comfortable with being the person you were, no matter how things end up unfolding.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Ms Adequate posted:

Aye, agreed. Wild how rapidly it went after he died.

Also, Praxcast: Appreciate that Euro episode last week, but also for the new ep how much time does Jamie spend coming up with the incredible similies he drops in each episode?
They're my fave bits of the podcast, the Tim Martin one was incredible.

HolHorsejob
Mar 14, 2020

Portrait of Cheems II of Spain by Jabona Neftman, olo pint on fird

crispix posted:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52508836

I'm convinced they keep showing pictures of it for a reason but to me there's just something very wrong about seeing baby faced squaddies shoving things in people's mouths :/

New thread: Make SFW images pornographic!

Shogi
Nov 23, 2004

distant Pohjola

endlessmonotony posted:

...a completely different understanding as to what I meant.

She got it at least roughly correct too, and you didn't.

You can do things for a hope of a better world...

Your original post hinges on semantics so it’s not surprising that two people read it differently. You started with ‘never hope’, then - as I understood it - said that people should seek a kind of inner peace rather than naively expecting any real-world outcomes. That people should find their own meaning and act in accordance with virtue - something like that?

That quest for ‘meaning’, personal or otherwise, is itself hopeful, and realistic hope is part of psychological health. Becoming comfortable with your self and finding a unity between your thoughts, values and actions requires hope.

Maybe that Transformers villain meme is a tiny bit facile and unhealthy is all I’m sayin.

kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

Shogi posted:

Maybe that Transformers villain meme is a tiny bit facile and unhealthy is all I’m sayin.

we can do 40k instead if you prefer

Marmaduke!
May 19, 2009

Why would it do that!?
And then there's God of War, in which the main character repeatedly tells his son to keep his expectations low, and then when I looked to see if there are any good quotes, apparently he won the previous game based on the Power of Hope. So I guess the moral is, even the mopey fucks saying not to hope are actually more hopeful than the rest of us, deep down, but are just being edgelord posers.

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

crispix posted:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52508836

I'm convinced they keep showing pictures of it for a reason but to me there's just something very wrong about seeing baby faced squaddies shoving things in people's mouths :/

I much prefer this test to the other one!

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Payndz posted:

Edit: ha, they've already amended the subhead on the main online page to note the difference between 'tests done' and 'tests sent out'. Bit late though, chaps.

Funny how news websites always do this

"Oooooops we lied* but we fixed it (several hours later after millions have already seen it)"

*we never lied though of course, we clarified

CancerCakes
Jan 10, 2006

The initial push notification to millions of phones is what matters, no one reads the news anyway

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

It's Meltdown May and while there's no way it can equal last year what major figure do we all reckon is going to go absolutely nuts? Everyone is online now most of the time so there's a huge range of possibilities but I'm hoping for Starmer and one of the big name TERFs to just flip their poo poo over something.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
SNP going big for austerity

https://twitter.com/COSLA/status/1256496301577027584?s=19

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

namesake posted:

It's Meltdown May and while there's no way it can equal last year what major figure do we all reckon is going to go absolutely nuts? Everyone is online now most of the time so there's a huge range of possibilities but I'm hoping for Starmer and one of the big name TERFs to just flip their poo poo over something.

It was Elon musk yesterday

Shogi
Nov 23, 2004

distant Pohjola
British Gen X pop culture shite in ‘a bit cynical’ shocker

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/thetwerkinggirl/status/1256241393913204736?s=19

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/judeinlondon2/status/1256509988262096896?s=19

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid
to be fair to him, I think it's the business/tory ghouls that are actually the driving factor. they've been at it full tilt and the media haven't really been giving starmer the oxygen of publicity

e: also he explicitly asked for a plan, and this isn't really a plan they're just going to open everything back up while infection rates are still higher than they were when we went in and magically everything will go back to normal because we're bored of lockdown so let's go back to pretending pandemics aren't real

XMNN fucked around with this message at 10:42 on May 2, 2020

Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007




Fuck you say?

Josef bugman posted:

5, is a friendly looking number.

I take umbrage with this

5 is a stern looking number with a soft side. You got the curve at the bottom which is the classic sign of a Friendly Number but then it terminates in a straight line at the top just as you're getting to know it. 5 will give you directions but it won't stop to chat. 5 calls its parents regularly but can't bring itself to say "Love you guys." Think Hank Hill and you've got 5.

8 is a Friendly Number. It's cheerful and round and you can't harm yourself with it. 2 also counts since it's a gentle swan.

0 is Wacky, as is 3, and the hilarious duo 6 and 9.

Other Stern Numbers include: 4, 7, 1. Rigid, upright, tough.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

Bardeh
Dec 2, 2004

Fun Shoe
You can use this tool to look at all deaths in your area with Covid on the death certificate (at least I'm assuming that's how it works)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...er-output-areas

It's eye-opening that if I look at my relatively affluent area, there has been one death. If I go into the nearby town and look at the deprived areas, the number of deaths rockets up. You could overlay areas of relative deprivation onto this map and the correlation would be extremely strong.

Bardeh fucked around with this message at 10:47 on May 2, 2020

hemale in pain
Jun 5, 2010




HMRC invited me to join some stupid loving 'Self-Employment Income Support Scheme webinar'. like no, im not sitting through some boring poo poo please just tell me if i'm actually going to be paid or not and then send me money jesus.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
:thunk:

https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1256502504411496448?s=20

bionic vapour boy
Feb 13, 2012

Impervious to fun.
I'm barking like a seal that their takeaway is "we've done TOO GOOD A JOB communicating". Brilliant stuff. We're all going to die

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

good ep on thursday peeps 👍

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
i've not listened to the podcast or any podcast and i'm not going to

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Bardeh posted:

You can use this tool to look at all deaths in your area with Covid on the death certificate (at least I'm assuming that's how it works)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...er-output-areas

It's eye-opening that if I look at my relatively affluent area, there has been one death. If I go into the nearby town and look at the deprived areas, the number of deaths rockets up. You could overlay areas of relative deprivation onto this map and the correlation would be extremely strong.

England only, unfortunately.




Jose, listen to the pod.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
lmao

https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1256341945510756352?s=20

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Of all Icke’s wild theories the notion that any of the global ‘elite’ have any kind of plan is perhaps the most laughable

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003


Or maybe people dont trust the gov that it’s “safe”?

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
sat next to the architect of austerity specifically says she refuses to finger point

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1255980675733356548?s=20

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009

My favourite story of the day.

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


TACD posted:

Of all Icke’s wild theories the notion that any of the global ‘elite’ have any kind of plan is perhaps the most laughable

It's a plan just like in Battlestar Galactica.

Meaning they had one goal and hosed it up and are now desperately winging it while fighting internally.

Samael
Oct 16, 2012



I work at a post office and just got a urgent email down saying that regular letters and large letters won't be sent on Saturdays now, which means that they have an absolute ton of mail to be sent out. So if you have got mail to send, I would strongly recommend sending it via signed for or even special delivery if you need it there asap because I have been seeing delays of up to a week or two so far and it's bound to get worse before it gets better.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Songbearer posted:

I take umbrage with this

5 is a stern looking number with a soft side.

Five? No no. Not five. Give me another. I'm scared of fives. Five is evil, brother. The half-way digit. The Saluting Snake. No fives. It's the unflushable number.

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

This US women's soccer team equal pay lawsuit is starting to look quite misjudged, as is their reaction to the verdict on twitter.

A lot of UK news articles seem to be missing the detailed meat of the numbers when covering this story.

In a nutshell, it turns out that:
(i) the women's team were offered identical terms to the men's team (a key difference being higher bonuses), but previously rejected them, in preference for different terms with higher guaranteed pay - e.g. they are paid if they don't play games, whereas the men are only paid if they participate in matches.
(ii) the women's team were paid more than the men's team on a cumulative basis ($24.5m vs $18.5m)
(iii) the women's team were paid more than the men's team on a per-game basis ($221k vs $213k)
(iv) the men's team would have been paid more, had they been on the terms of the women's team

It looks very much like they're regretting the deal they signed, because with the benefit of hindsight they would have been paid an even greater amount under the higher bonus structure of the men's team given the games they won. They're trying to have their cake and eat it through equality legislation. Spinning the verdict as "valuing women less", when it was undisputed by the plaintiffs that the women's team were paid more than the men's over the period in question, and that they'd been offered the same terms before, is pretty cynical IMO.

quote:

The history of negotiations between the parties demonstrates that the WNT rejected an offer to be paid under the same pay-to-play structure as the MNT, and the WNT was willing to forgo higher bonuses for benefits, such as greater base compensation and the guarantee of a higher number of contracted players,” Klausner wrote.

“Accordingly, plaintiffs cannot now retroactively deem their CBA worse than the MNT CBA by reference to what they would have made had they been paid under the MNT’s pay-to-play terms structure when they themselves rejected such a structure,” he said.

Klausner left intact claims the USSF discriminated in the money it spent on commercial airfare, hotel accommodations, and medical and training support services.

A trial is scheduled for June 16 in federal court in Los Angeles.

“We are shocked and disappointed with today’s decision, but we will not give up our hard work for equal pay,” Molly Levinson, spokeswoman for the women’s players, said in a statement. “We are confident in our case and steadfast in our commitment to ensuring that girls and women who play this sport will not be valued as lesser just because of their gender.”

And the judgement, for those who want the source: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6881171-WomensSoccerSummaryJudgment.html

Samael posted:

I work at a post office and just got a urgent email down saying that regular letters and large letters won't be sent on Saturdays now, which means that they have an absolute ton of mail to be sent out. So if you have got mail to send, I would strongly recommend sending it via signed for or even special delivery if you need it there asap because I have been seeing delays of up to a week or two so far and it's bound to get worse before it gets better.

Huh. It's funny how much that must vary across the country. We've still got normal mail delivery times as of a couple of days ago.

Prince John fucked around with this message at 12:57 on May 2, 2020

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!




Exactly, because her reptilian race are immune to the virus they’re not putting the effort into stamping it out.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

quote:

There's still a chance for rebellion and ultimately revolution

Without a way to properly challenge the various businesses that hold a grip on the offices of power(Power supplies, manufacturing, computing, industries, etc) would a 'revolution' aid much in itself? How do you deal with that aspect of the problem? The wealthy/powerful are so very enmeshed with each other that I'm not sure simply changing the leadership even outright to someone unconnected like the Green Party or some such would be enough without dealing with all the lobbies and such too.

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happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

I said this in previous UK threads, Sky News had their reporters travel about Italy showing parts deserted over sombre horror style music.
And then acting concerned in a full hazmat suit in Italian ICUs with people dying and hoping they could get one croak on camera.
No wonder the public is scared shitless.

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