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Son of Rodney posted:Does anybody know if these covid apps are actually idea and will have a positive impact? Someone having access to a whole populations movement sounds incredibly distopian to me and like something that Will be used as a dry run for more population control. Iceland has such an application, and they have the privacy control organisation and only them full control over the data. People in Iceland trust that organisation that the data will not be coupled with any other data sets and will be destroyed in the end, so it is widely used. I wouldn't trust the Dutch government to keep such data safe, because I have seen how that has worked in the past from the inside: 8 years ago I had worked a bit on a parking app that used license numbers of cars to register parking fees in large city garages. I had advised on separating those data from the official license number registration that was coupled to personal owner info and tax and insurance data. I assumed that data administrators would respect the procedures, because in the end all security fails when the technical staff starts breaking protocol on purpose. Then one night, on instruction of the CEO, there was a download of the data vault with communication data that allowed coupling of the data, and that download was given to the tax office, which wrote thousands of fines for cars that were taxed for 'work only' and were found parking in weekends near big theme parks. OK, those people were cheating tax, and legally the tax office has enormous might in data gathering, but it taught me that one cannot trust promises here.
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Imagination: it works like the South Korean system. Reality: It works like the Iowa caucus system.
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Warbadger posted:Can you imagine any government, company, etc. ever doing this right? Even if the first government that enacts the thing does so very competently with complete anonymity and zero exploitable issues there's basically a zero percent chance it'd stay that way for more than a decade or so. Once the government tracking your every movement becomes normalized it'd be comparatively easy for a later administration to take that last step and enact some COMMON SENSE, CRIME STOPPER legislation on a wave of outraged soccer mom support over the flavor of the month moral panic or tragedy to make it increasingly less anonymous. Why do you like criminals and covid 19 death so much
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May 2, 2020 15:14
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^ This (surveillance apps for contact tracing) will be on SA no doubt the new tipping debate times 1000
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May 2, 2020 15:14
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The Australian government already had a test of whether or not they could be trusted with the public's personal data. They created an opt-out central database for medical records and swore up and down it was going to be 100% secure. That medical data has since been made accessible to the police (without need for warrants), hacked multiple times, and sold to third party private companies. It's not just about trusting the government to not be evil (which you shouldn't), you also need to trust that they aren't inept (which you definitely shouldn't).
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May 2, 2020 15:15
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It’s not like goons have any contacts to trace anyway.
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May 2, 2020 15:16
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What if the contract tracing app was also a no strings hookup app
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bird with big dick posted:What if the contract tracing app was also a no strings hookup app Just link it to Tinder, Grindr, Yiffr and Whatevrr to make sure your dates are disease free.
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Warbadger posted:Can you imagine any government, company, etc. ever doing this right? Even if the first government that enacts the thing does so very competently with complete anonymity and zero exploitable issues there's basically a zero percent chance it'd stay that way for more than a decade or so. Once the government tracking your every movement becomes normalized it'd be comparatively easy for a later administration to take that last step and enact some COMMON SENSE, CRIME STOPPER legislation on a wave of outraged soccer mom support over the flavor of the month moral panic or tragedy to make it increasingly less anonymous. I think Palantir is already doing this and telling cops where "crime hot spots" are so the cops are going to those spots and being primed to look for criminals, aka Black Men.
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Also the Australian covid tracing app doesn't work on iPhones unless it's running in the foreground, which means you can't answer phone calls or anything. It works in the background on Android phones. I've heard from some people on social media that the app wouldn't work at all on their phones, I'm guessing because their phones are too old. And did we mention that they're uploading the contact data on the Amazon cloud and not an in-house government server? There was a bit of a kerfuffle when people realised that the data could be subpoenaed by the US police under the CLOUD Act but the Australian government has assured us that the Australian Biosecurity Act would prevent that from happening. Besides, they already use the Amazon cloud to store a bunch of other data and that's worked out fine so far! The Australian prime minister initially said the app would be voluntary, then he later said that if they didn't get the minimum 40% uptake they might have to think about making it compulsory and apparently his party kicked his rear end for saying that because the next day he said that it would definitely positively 100% be voluntary only, but only 16% of the population has put it on their phones and the initial rush has worn down to almost zero now so it looks like we won't end up anywhere near the 40% required minimum.  A few sources for extra reading: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-28/covidsafe-tracing-app-data-may-not-be-protected-from-usa/12189372 https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...428-p54o05.html https://www.theage.com.au/politics/...501-p54p53.html
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Australian teenagers need to go around and add the app to their parents and grandparents phones. Just draft every 13y/o there with subliminal messages in cartoons and on cereal boxes (or tiktok, i guess) to go install the virus tracker on their relatives phones.
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Georgia reports nearly 1,000 new Covid-19 cases in the past 24 hours
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Z the IVth posted:Just link it to Tinder, Grindr, Yiffr and Whatevrr to make sure your dates are disease free. i went to a tinder hookup cuz i'm an idiot march 30th and the 2-3 weeks that followed in April waiting to die for being stupid were harrowing..not worth it, dumbest move possible i live alone, so i didn't bring that risk back at least and i'm isolating so no other interactions during that time but the few people i told IRL lost their poo poo on me rightfully so
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May 2, 2020 15:58
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That will make the next trip to FL safer.
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zer0spunk posted:i went to a tinder hookup cuz i'm an idiot march 30th and the 2-3 weeks that followed in April waiting to die for being stupid were harrowing..not worth it, dumbest move possible We've all made bad choices, all you can do is try to be better today than you were yesterday. Glad you're ok
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I’m basically making wine from a fancy modern version of this next weekend
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Video surfaces of park ranger pushed into Lake Austin, suspect arrestedquote:A park ranger who was trying to disperse a crowd on a sunny Thursday at Lake Austin says he was pushed into the water. Police say a 25-year-old has been arrested in the case.  
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May 2, 2020 16:45
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Bleh, cases in MD are marching ever upwards, but it looks like deaths and hospital use are plateauing. Yay I think!
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/01/trump-team-blocks-anthony-fauci-testifying-before-congress/3070048001/quote:Donald Trump team blocks Anthony Fauci from testifying before congressional committee
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pro starcraft loser posted:Bleh, cases in MD are marching ever upwards, but it looks like deaths and hospital use are plateauing. Yay I think! Is it because all the hospitals are full now?
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Fatkraken posted:Is it because all the hospitals are full now? nah, I have friends at a few of the major hospitals and in MD they never got overwhelmed, yet
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Contact tracing apps are pretty much just a feelgood thing with way too little benefit, and considering the development time spent on the apps, probably full of privacy holes https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2020/05/me_on_covad-19_.html
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ymgve posted:Contact tracing apps are pretty much just a feelgood thing with way too little benefit, and considering the development time spent on the apps, probably full of privacy holes i think i would lose my mind if i got a notification on my phone that just said "YOU HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH COVID  "
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ruddiger posted:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/01/trump-team-blocks-anthony-fauci-testifying-before-congress/3070048001/ They're totally going to kick out Fauci and replace him with some grifter quack who says what the administration wants him to, aren't they Is Dr. Oz busy?
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ymgve posted:Contact tracing apps are pretty much just a feelgood thing with way too little benefit, and considering the development time spent on the apps, probably full of privacy holes aren't they a violation of privacy by default?
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davidspackage posted:They're totally going to kick out Fauci and replace him with some grifter quack who says what the administration wants him to, aren't they Now you've done it
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Big Beef City posted:aren't they a violation of privacy by default? I mean more like even if you think the privacy compromises of a perfectly working tracing app are reasonable, this is something that's developed under budget and with severe time constraints, and there will be database leaks
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pro starcraft loser posted:Bleh, cases in MD are marching ever upwards, but it looks like deaths and hospital use are plateauing. Yay I think!  anyone mentioned this yet? a governor using national guard troops to protect ppe from the federal gov
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zer0spunk posted:i went to a tinder hookup cuz i'm an idiot march 30th and the 2-3 weeks that followed in April waiting to die for being stupid were harrowing..not worth it, dumbest move possible Probably not the best idea, but you have a far greater chance of contracting Coronavirus going to the grocery store or picking up takeout for dinner than meeting one single person who probably isn't ill. 1-on-1 engagements were never the problem.
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naem posted:
Well he has most likely seen the usa blatantly steal ppe from other countries, so this is absolutely reasonable.
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Well he has most likely seen the usa blatantly steal ppe from other countries, so this is absolutely reasonable. the article mentions that they diverted the plane mid-flight so it would land in a different airport where they had ng troops waiting, all to buy them enough time to unload it and get it safely hidden in an undisclosed location 
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davidspackage posted:They're totally going to kick out Fauci and replace him with some grifter quack who says what the administration wants him to, aren't they No, it'll be Phil.
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unpacked robinhood posted:The govt can already track your phone however they want without a custom app. what is un-social peer pressure
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:No, it'll be Phil. Doubt it well ok maybe https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article242094646.html
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i know it was from a couple pages ago and is now ancient history, but the idea of a bunch of australian "protestors" showing up to protest except no one remembered to bring any signs so its just a bunch of sad people milling around is hilarious
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I’m in a rural part of the states and contract tracing , at this point, seems like a waste of resources in almost all instances. Most people are still going to work and doing what they usually do . If it’s as contagious as it seems, it’s absolutely everywhere. I would never install any such app. The feds can watch everything all ready , nothing we can do about that , but any additional app with that design is just going to allow additional people to see that data. No thanks
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What would they do if the feds showed up. Hold onto the boxes really tight?
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SHISHKABOB posted:What would they do if the feds showed up. Hold onto the boxes really tight? You're asking what sorts of conflicts could arise from two heavily armed militias clashing over material resources?
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