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Salt Fish posted:" lol these dumb chuds are bored of the lockdown and going outside and being in crowds" its about mental harm reduction
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:My daily tea on the balcony report is that everyone has given up. Austin traffic is up more every day. Mask usage peaked a week ago at like 75% and is way down now. I see more large groups of people walking together now which was basically non-existent in April. the big problem is that we never had a clear-cut date for when this would be Done, because everyone was half-assing it interfering with the projections so it was "When we're done I guess we'll be done" i.e., indefinite and now I'm remembering the giant meltdown itt 2 weeks ago about that term, and when "indefinite" goes long enough people stop caring because there's no end in sight
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we should be able to do things that are mentally painful, for the greater good, and the fact that we cannot has assured a chinese future/present lmao
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May 3, 2020 23:20
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Salt Fish posted:Which isn't exactly evidence that it's safe. Seems hard to measure, like how would you even begin to study it? https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1 quote:Methods: Case reports were extracted from the local Municipal Health Commissions of 320 prefectural cities (municipalities) in China, not including Hubei province, between 4 January and 11 February 2020. We identified all outbreaks involving three or more cases and reviewed the major characteristics of the enclosed spaces in which the outbreaks were reported and associated indoor environmental issues.
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May 3, 2020 23:20
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:I've repeatedly asked for and searched for examples of outdoor places resulting in outbreaks and have come up empty every time. judging from these pictures of NYC parks this weekend I think we're about to find out in a couple weeks
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May 3, 2020 23:20
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https://twitter.com/Eries23/status/1256757161293574144?s=19
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May 3, 2020 23:23
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like every other country doesnt live in fear of the slightest of temporary discomforts to where they will rise up in armed revolt (wearing masks) over having to wear masks
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May 3, 2020 23:24
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https://twitter.com/AchmatX/status/1256691575146590208?s=20 https://twitter.com/AchmatX/status/1256691582788648961?s=20 actually some parks are closed so maybe the truth is in the middle? 
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May 3, 2020 23:24
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SKULL.GIF posted:judging from these pictures of NYC parks this weekend I think we're about to find out in a couple weeks I hear that over and over and then don't hear poo poo about the dud cases. Where was the outbreak from France's Smurf festival? Where was the supercluster from Florida's Spring break? When are the chud protests all going to break out? And then it never happens. Maybe the chud protests will start now that they are holding hands and singing. Where are the outbreaks occurring? Churches, restaurants, family households, prisons, meatpacking plants, skilled nursing facilities. All indoor places where people have prolonged contact with each other. But not outside! If you want an outbreak to happen outside then you need to stick a lot of people real close to each other and keep them in sustained contact. Those, repeatedly, are the ingredients that matter.
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May 3, 2020 23:25
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Hey, remember this guy? https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/27/republican-fundraiser-company-coronavirus-152184 quote:Republican fundraiser looks to cash in on coronavirus Yeah, turns out he was just taking money and not delivering anything lol https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...6b7a_story.html quote:Maryland cancels $12.5 million PPE contract with firm started by GOP operatives
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May 3, 2020 23:25
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:I've repeatedly asked for and searched for examples of outdoor places resulting in outbreaks and have come up empty every time. We have absolutely no contact tracing as of like early April what are you expecting Might as well ask for proof people got it from being coughed on
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May 3, 2020 23:26
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i maintain Americans would be doing much much better at this if they put daily and total deaths on all the electronic highway signs. right now, they're all like "practice social distancing, don't tailgate" and gently caress right off with that tbh
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May 3, 2020 23:27
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anime was right posted:if this thing didnt murder marginalized ppl at catastrophic rates id be like, hell yeah, gather motherfuckers I saw a tweet earlier where somebody said that losing a relative to Covid is going to be a universal experience for African Americans who live through this
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May 3, 2020 23:28
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:I hear that over and over and then don't hear poo poo about the dud cases. Where was the outbreak from France's Smurf festival? Where was the supercluster from Florida's Spring break? When are the chud protests all going to break out? The overwhelming bulk of US cases in places with just hog wild community spread aren't being traced lmao
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May 3, 2020 23:28
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BMX Ninja posted:Mask question. virus dies eventually on all surfaces without a host, afaik, so I have been taking my used masks and putting them aside, with plans to resuse or wash them later, and using them in rotation
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May 3, 2020 23:28
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BMX Ninja posted:Mask question. Surgical masks are for protecting others, not you. If your surgical mask isn't getting visibly soiled or becoming moist and sloppy and gross you can just keep reusing it. In NYC the guidance we had was to wear surgical masks at all times - keeping one "clean" one for when we aren't having patient contacts, and then wearing a different one over our N95 which we disposed of if we ran patients that could have contaminated it (sick fever coughs, etc.). So you can definitely reuse that surgical mask a whole lot.
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May 3, 2020 23:29
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shovelbum posted:The overwhelming bulk of US cases in places with just hog wild community spread aren't being traced lmao Yeah and in China where they actually were tracing it one out of over 300 multi-person outbreaks occurred outside so what's your point again?
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May 3, 2020 23:30
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Apraxin posted:lots of negative feelings in the thread this morning, how about an inspirational quote/fanfic to chase those blues away? having a normal one
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May 3, 2020 23:30
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Bruce Hussein Daddy posted:did u get ur roni test result? Yeah it was negative but my doctor doesn't think I am (I don't think she trusts the tests) but I'm feeling a little bit better this afternoon actually. Mornings are still bad with my lungs however my entire body isn't under crushing pain right now but my throat hurts. She'll maybe have me get an antibody test if they pass some trial but I think it's pointless. I think I have something else, somehow, maybe? I've been really sick e: thank you for asking 
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May 3, 2020 23:30
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The original outbreak started from a few seeders from airports and ports. Reopening starts from 100.000s of seeders spread uniformly over the country. This is gonna be bad.
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May 3, 2020 23:31
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BMX Ninja posted:Mask question. I have 2 masks and I spray them with Lysol. I imagine that with 10 masks and only going out once a week you can just let the virus die off from time as long as you keep them separated
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May 3, 2020 23:33
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Were there large outdoor gatherings of unmasked people in China between mid January and mid February?
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May 3, 2020 23:35
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Skypie posted:i don't think anyone even fuckin reported on it because showing workers doing something to stand up against their corporate overlords would conflict with everyone's media messaging this is why peaceful protests are pointless
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May 3, 2020 23:35
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I think the outbreaks now are going to come from places that have lots of people gathered and generating droplets through talking, exertion, etc... So churches, gyms, warehouses, salons, etc.... The more regions create connected graphs of people at these places the worse things will be. I don't think places that open parks and beaches will be very relevant.
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May 3, 2020 23:36
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Salt Fish posted:Were there large outdoor gatherings of unmasked people in China between mid January and mid February? Yes people in China do in fact go to parks etc...
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May 3, 2020 23:36
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:I think the outbreaks now are going to come from places that have lots of people gathered and generating droplets through talking, exertion, etc... So churches, gyms, warehouses, salons, etc.... The more regions create connected graphs of people at these places the worse things will be. I don't think places that open parks and beaches will be very relevant. watching what happens in the chud states during meltdown may is essential
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May 3, 2020 23:37
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:god i can't wait to live this stupid loving shithole country at the first possible opportunity  but I doubt any other decently run country is going to be welcoming Americans any time soon.
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That's one hell of an edit https://twitter.com/nyt_diff/status/1257071441901694976?s=20
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May 3, 2020 23:37
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facetoucher cat posted:Yeah it was negative but my doctor doesn't think I am (I don't think she trusts the tests) but I'm feeling a little bit better this afternoon actually. Mornings are still bad with my lungs however my entire body isn't under crushing pain right now but my throat hurts. She'll maybe have me get an antibody test if they pass some trial but I think it's pointless. I think I have something else, somehow, maybe? I've been really sick MadJackal was saying there was something up/wrong with the new tests they got from one of his previous posts like the tests were coming back negative when he/they knew the patients were 100% positive for roni
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May 3, 2020 23:38
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:Yes people in China do in fact go to parks etc... China and everywhere else that tracked effectively went like straight up inside after a few cases
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SKULL.GIF posted:judging from these pictures of NYC parks this weekend I think we're about to find out in a couple weeks everything is a couple weeks away and has been since March
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Paramemetic posted:Surgical masks are for protecting others, not you. If your surgical mask isn't getting visibly soiled or becoming moist and sloppy and gross you can just keep reusing it. In NYC the guidance we had was to wear surgical masks at all times - keeping one "clean" one for when we aren't having patient contacts, and then wearing a different one over our N95 which we disposed of if we ran patients that could have contaminated it (sick fever coughs, etc.). Thanks. We're only wearing them on the basis that we might be symptomless carriers and don't want to spread the roni to anyone else. I just wasn't sure what level of shelf life/reusability they might have. It's also a bit weird wearing them outdoors here. I live in a very white area and the tiny Asian population here has been wearing them for months. I'm a bit socially anxious so the first few times I went to the local shop masked up felt a bit weird because nobody else was wearing one.
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shovelbum posted:The overwhelming bulk of US cases in places with just hog wild community spread aren't being traced lmao They are being traced in other countries, though. I'm a bit surprised that there haven't yet been clusters which centre around open or semi-enclosed spaces like shopping centres and transport hubs. Maybe we haven't yet reached the critical mass where that will happen or maybe there's an additional element wh we haven't yet identified involved in transmission. Time will tell.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:Yes people in China do in fact go to parks etc... oh come on we all saw the pictures of people in China being actually prepared in Jan/Feb. Remember the bleach trucks? The people flying back in full body PPE? I'm american and I was already buying extra food and supplies in the 2nd week of february and you're telling me people were shoulder to shoulder on the jogging trail in Beijing?
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shovelbum posted:China and everywhere else that tracked effectively went like straight up inside after a few cases The study I linked was sampling data from non-Hubei provinces that did not actually go "straight up inside" because the epidemic was contained at the test-and-trace phase there.
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got any sevens posted:this is why peaceful protests are pointless peaceful protesting will never work and america has been duped into believing that peaceful protesting is the only legitimate way to protest and get your message heard
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Salt Fish posted:oh come on we all saw the pictures of people in China being actually prepared in Jan/Feb. Remember the bleach trucks? The people flying back in full body PPE? I'm american and I was already buying extra food and supplies in the 2nd week of february and you're telling me people were shoulder to shoulder on the jogging trail in Beijing? Yes those pictures from Hubei province represent how the entirety of China looked at the time.
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We don't know really fundamental traits like if there's immunity post infection or what it does to the body but yeah let's open er up lol
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:The study I linked was sampling data from non-Hubei provinces that did not actually go "straight up inside" because the epidemic was contained at the test-and-trace phase there. One of the huge spreader events was the women's equality march in spain quote:The politics alone are daunting. Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez, weak after forming a minority government, likely didn’t want to risk his fragile hold on power by banning large gatherings, experts say. Instead, he allowed thousands to attend soccer games last week, as well as permitted a 120,000-strong feminist rally in Madrid to proceed.
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Thank you that's one of the first major ones I've found. That also looks very dense. Marches are also going to generate a lot of droplets from shouting so this seems like it has all of the necessary ingredients. Outdoor concerts likely have similar risk too. Notorious R.I.M. has issued a correction as of 23:49 on May 3, 2020 |
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