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CharlieFoxtrot posted:A significant part of the critical establishment in cinema recognizes the Academy Awards as pure politics and celebrity worship, which is why indie and art cinema are recognized as spaces with clearer artistic voices i believe that while this is correct it is in fact a minority position and stuff like harry potter will be something that endures culturally and so is viewed as art from our era in the future. to prove this i present the entire artform known as "opera"
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also art that endures due to pure politics and celebrity can be applied really easily to the reverence and preservation of classical music and specific composers within it and the sometimes complete loss of music the upper class didnt concern themselves with, whether thats unpopular composers or lower class music like different folk musics.
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May 4, 2020 02:41
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Lt Jon Kavanaugh posted:Its a poo poo series but its popular. But I think even a diehard Potterhead wouldn't try and claim its anything other than a fun book about magic and adventures. You are 100% wrong, especially about diehard Potterheads who unashamedly claim it is a meaningful story about prejudice and the flaws of government or whatever. Likewise if you think people don't connect "wins an Oscar" to "Is artistically relevant" then you haven't seen many conversations about movies TBH.
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May 4, 2020 03:34
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ImpAtom posted:You are 100% wrong, especially about diehard Potterheads who unashamedly claim it is a meaningful story about prejudice and the flaws of government or whatever. Yeah but those potterheads are only talking to other potterheads about it. Harry potter isn't part of the western canon and it won't ever be. And Oscars are really only relevant the year they're awarded. Like I said the only time you're gonna hear about Shakespeare in love is people laughing about how it won an oscar at all. All this is just distracting from the fact that unless your definition of art is 'literally anything that exists', videogames are not art except for MGS2. Peace.
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May 4, 2020 03:54
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Lt Jon Kavanaugh posted:Yeah but those potterheads are only talking to other potterheads about it. Harry potter isn't part of the western canon and it won't ever be. And Oscars are really only relevant the year they're awarded. Like I said the only time you're gonna hear about Shakespeare in love is people laughing about how it won an oscar at all. Again, no. You are incorrect. Harry Potter is assigned reading in schools. There are inexplicably college courses about it. I don't agree it is art but you are joking with yourself if you think people don't try to present it as art because it was a book series they liked and had vague themes about racism being bad. And if your argument is "video games are not art except MGS2" you're basically doing the same thing you deride because you're choosing a big AAA title you're familiar with which features poop jokes and cyborg ninjas.
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May 4, 2020 03:59
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Videogames are not set except for Journey, Shadow of the Colossus, and Toe Jam and Earl.
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ImpAtom posted:And if your argument is "video games are not art except MGS2" you're basically doing the same thing you deride because you're choosing a big AAA title you're familiar with which features poop jokes and cyborg ninjas. They've irrelevant to MGS2 being art. Would you say Moby Dick isn't art because of the chapter where Ishmael and Queequeg have to sleep together? Would you say James Joyce's letters about Nora's farts aren't the artistic refinement of the love letter?
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May 4, 2020 04:06
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Some of ya'll have incredibly elitist views of what qualifies as art and what doesn't.
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The moment when one realizes art is not an ontologically static category but an unending battlefield for different social groups vying for prestige is an eye-opening one
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May 4, 2020 04:08
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Internet Kraken posted:Some of ya'll have incredibly elitist views of what qualifies as art and what doesn't. my posts are art
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May 4, 2020 04:10
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:The moment when one realizes art is not an ontologically static category but an unending battlefield for different social groups vying for prestige is an eye-opening one my posts are art
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May 4, 2020 04:10
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Internet Kraken posted:Some of ya'll have incredibly elitist views of what qualifies as art and what doesn't. Agreed
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My genuine bona fide art gauge only clicks into bottom tier when ten boobies have been presented in the work.
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Lt Jon Kavanaugh posted:Yeah but those potterheads are only talking to other potterheads about it. you say that like that isnt a giant chunk of the population and that popularity isnt the main defining feature a work requires to become enshrined forever its very easy to look back at the past as if the art we are left with was naturally what was the best but its just the most popular, tons of stuff is lost forever just because it wasnt well known enough or highly valued enough by the right people.
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May 4, 2020 04:20
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Lt Jon Kavanaugh posted:They've irrelevant to MGS2 being art. Would you say Moby Dick isn't art because of the chapter where Ishmael and Queequeg have to sleep together? Would you say James Joyce's letters about Nora's farts aren't the artistic refinement of the love letter? a harry potter fan can make this same argument about harry potter very easily CharlieFoxtrot posted:The moment when one realizes art is not an ontologically static category but an unending battlefield for different social groups vying for prestige is an eye-opening one lots of people having very eye opening moments constantly in the "tlou2 leaks" thread Stux fucked around with this message at 04:24 on May 4, 2020 |
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May 4, 2020 04:20
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Stux posted:you say that like that isnt a giant chunk of the population and that popularity isnt the main defining feature a work requires to become enshrined forever Tons of popular stuff is lost but many art isn't appreciated in its time as well. We clearly have different views on what art is. The harry potter books are gonna live on as popular childrens books. They aren't going to live on as art. Stux posted:a harry potter fan can make this same argument about harry potter very easily Absolutely, because it was a dumb point to make in the first place. Instead of saying thing isn't art because of x or y you should be asking why is thing art. For an actual attempt to get back on topic instead of arguing about the most subjective thing in existence, has there been any leaked footage with zombies?
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Popularity isn't everything in art. Sometimes a piece of art is totally ignored or even actively scorned when its created, and only became considered art later on after enough influential people wrote persuasive cases for it to be considered as such. But that alone holds a degree of merit; people wouldn't be able to make persuasive cases out of something to be considered art if it didn't have anything going for it. What is considered 'art' longterm often boils down to how much people can talk about something and sound like they are making a point. The real question here is 'how much can you get out of talking about TLOU' and if this thread is any indication, its quite a bit. Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 04:33 on May 4, 2020 |
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May 4, 2020 04:31
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the harry potter books and star wars are going to live on as the new shakespeare and you cant stop it
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Stux posted:the harry potter books and star wars are going to live on as the new shakespeare and you cant stop it You say that as if the works of Shakespeare weren't the popular entertainment of his time.
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May 4, 2020 04:35
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or, perhaps, twas my point
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May 4, 2020 04:35
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opera is proof that the designation of what is worthwhile art has been and will always been meaningless
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May 4, 2020 04:36
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Opera owns. Sights and sounds with nothing meaningful behind them are great. Nothing besides big emotion.
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May 4, 2020 05:12
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The only art I recognize as art is the weed mission in FarCry 3.
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May 4, 2020 06:36
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Art is whatever the reddit front page deem worthy of its attention. Have you heard about this Hitler guy? Apparently he made some paintings. Makes you think.
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May 4, 2020 07:27
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Lt Jon Kavanaugh posted:For an actual attempt to get back on topic instead of arguing about the most subjective thing in existence, has there been any leaked footage with zombies? The "us" in last of us actually refers to the zombies. After the first game all the zombies are killed and only Ellie remains as an infected so she is the last of "us", trying to survive the attempts of the jacked lady ending her fungal species.
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ErrEff posted:Or use the unlockable skins to bring even more joy to your viewing. Experience all the brutality scenes again with 'Donut Ellie' enabled or replay the 'Abby vs Ellie' fight using the Joel skin! Druckmann made them get rid of the Donut Jake unlockable because it was mean to fat people.
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May 4, 2020 07:43
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also joel did nothing wrong you morons
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Mantis42 posted:also joel did nothing wrong you morons
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ilmucche posted:The "us" in last of us actually refers to the zombies. After the first game all the zombies are killed and only Ellie remains as an infected so she is the last of "us", trying to survive the attempts of the jacked lady ending her fungal species. I mean, considering the way cordyceps spreads it's a miracle it managed to become a civilization-ending threat in the first place. Also Ellie vs buff lady would make a great wrestling storyline.
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Sassy Sasquatch posted:I mean, considering the way cordyceps spreads it's a miracle it managed to become a civilization-ending threat in the first place. Also Ellie vs buff lady would make a great wrestling storyline. I thought you just had to breathe it, and the mad angry people spread it because they're trying to chase everyone down. And i'm not sure miracle is the right word to use there 
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ilmucche posted:I thought you just had to breathe it, and the mad angry people spread it because they're trying to chase everyone down. The miracle of fungal life ! I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert at fungi but real-life cordyceps spreads when insects get in contact with its spores yes. (there are dozens of varieties of cordyceps, each targeting a specific species of ants, wasps or whatever) It then overrides their motor functions to get them moving to high ground, grasp a branch or leaf or anything stable enough, then sprouts the gently caress out of them and release more spores into the air. From my understanding of it insects infected by the cordyceps are not particularly infectious until they reach that final stage, which is why ants sometimes manage to detect and isolate infected individuals before they sprout for instance. You can see how when applied to humans this would be a problem in terms of infectivity. Plus I suppose having infected individuals climb lampposts and trees before dying was not the tone they were going for.
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Sassy Sasquatch posted:The miracle of fungal life ! This sounds both incredibly funny and absolutely terror inducing, if done right.
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Ham posted:This sounds both incredibly funny and absolutely terror inducing, if done right. Infected person climbs up a tree, clings to it until they die. Turns out that dead humans aren't really designed to cling to trees, so they instantly fall out.
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Ham posted:This sounds both incredibly funny and absolutely terror inducing, if done right. Yeah a difficult to detect infection that encourages its victim to change their behavior slightly towards being around more people and then gets them as close to as many people before they explode is loving horrifying. Mind control into suicide bombing that exploits the basic sociality of people is horrific. And as people come to understand the vector of the infection, they become increasingly suspicious of friendly people, leading to high paranoia. I mean, look at what a much less virulent disease that doesn't end in zombies is doing to the social fabric of the world right now. P.S. There is a study that suggests pre-symptomatic flu-infected people find themselves wanting to go out and party more than usual. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1047279710001651
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BisbyWorl posted:Infected person climbs up a tree, clings to it until they die. I suppose rigor mortis would help keep the body in place but man, that is indeed both bleak and hilarious. I wish Naughty Dog would have gone a little bit more colorful/wild with the zombie designs though, there's a lot of room for some crazy stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROQrbWkV4HI
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Hey all, I've been waiting on VG to get back to me, so I could ensure my expectations for this thread lined up with forum policy. Regardless of where this leak has come from, or why, the fact of the matter is that this leak was illegally obtained and is considered  Datamining of publicly release content is, and has always been, A-OK. Posting videos/screenshots/ of unreleased content is not and will earn you a probation/ban.It boils down to an issue of consent. A demo is consensually released, a leak is not.  The next person to directly link to the leak eats a week vacation. Please stop posting it, and I hope you can understand the reasons behind it. Thank you.
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Sassy Sasquatch posted:I suppose rigor mortis would help keep the body in place but man, that is indeed both bleak and hilarious. I wish Naughty Dog would have gone a little bit more colorful/wild with the zombie designs though, there's a lot of room for some crazy stuff. quote:The more numerous a species is, the more likely it is to fall victim to the killer fungus No matter how many times you read about or watch that, it'll always remain terrifying that it can happen on such a macro scale.
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Infinitum posted:It boils down to an issue of consent. That's some, err, extremely strong wording considering the usual subjects in which something would be talked about with those words. Although I guess as this is also porn, just gore porn, it may be understandable. Ham posted:This sounds both incredibly funny and absolutely terror inducing, if done right. Yeah, but you'd have to do it right, TLOU is all about farting higher than your own rear end and taking yourself extremely seriously while being pretty much cookie cutter.
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Sometimes a word is just a word mate.
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Sometimes, but you could also say that the no warez rule applies and leave it at that.
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