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Coohoolin posted:There's also this, far more niche piece of holocaust revisionism. This is not entirely fair, given that TFOF was written in the Sixties, and was the source of the 'negative myth' (the idea that fascism was more defined by what it opposed than what it stood for) that Nolte railed against in the Eighties when he became a far-right Holocaust denier. This is not to say it was a great book - it was a quasi-mystical mess that basically saw Hitler as an evil sorcerer - but it was a key work in the early Marxist discourse about fascism.
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Darth Walrus posted:This is not entirely fair, given that TFOF was written in the Sixties, and was the source of the 'negative myth' (the idea that fascism was more defined by what it opposed than what it stood for) that Nolte railed against in the Eighties when he became a far-right Holocaust denier. This is not to say it was a great book - it was a quasi-mystical mess that basically saw Hitler as an evil sorcerer - but it was a key work in the early Marxist discourse about fascism. Was this you by any chance? https://twitter.com/Iaculus/status/1257458807694901251?s=19
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Venezuela captured some US mercenaries trying to coup Maduro. https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1257491295947415553?s=20 lol.
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WhatEvil posted:Venezuela captured some US mercenaries trying to coup Maduro. If this is Trump's Bay of Pigs then lol.
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Munin posted:If this is Trump's Bay of Pigs then lol. But smaller and more pathetic, Trump's Bay of Piglets.
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baka kaba posted:PROTECT ARE NHS that's my  thanks for listening
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baka kaba posted:why would he need those? this is the bookshelf of an intellectual titan, its shelves the tomb of a thousand vanquished enemies 
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Payndz posted:Reminds me of when I was living in Italy and I went into the village pizzaria to find that the front 3/4 of the interior was actually a WW2 'museum' filled with life-sized dioramas of Axis soldiers and displays of weapons and flags. (IIRC, the only Allied items on display were some hats.) And the till receipt had a picture of Mussolini on it. Well, the Italians didn't get to keep much Allied memorabilia.
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After all that talk about food yesterday I only ate a small pork pie and drank 8 beers in the evening, feel absolutely awful this morning. Yearning for a plate of emu meatballs and some reverse osmosis coca cola. Isle of Wight is the test bed for the governments new 'track and trace' app. quote:A new contact-tracing app for managing the coronavirus outbreak will be piloted on the Isle of Wight this week, the health secretary has confirmed, despite concerns its centralised setup carries privacy risks and will reduce uptake. Most of the population of the Isle of Wight are over the age of 50, so it'd be interesting to see how many people have smartphones and general usage of the government app. Also, 'human contact tracers' sounds like a rubbish blade runner.
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WhatEvil posted:Venezuela captured some US mercenaries trying to coup Maduro. Isn't Maduro the Yank's man?
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Z the IVth posted:Isn't Maduro the Yank's man? Nah Maduro is the Jeremy Corbyn of South America
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Z the IVth posted:Isn't Maduro the Yank's man? Are you confusing Maduro for Guaido?
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Jel Shaker posted:Nah Maduro is the Jeremy Corbyn of South America lol no. This is a terrible comparison. Corbyn is a highly principled democratic socialist who believes in compromise & all sorts of slightly naive ideals like that. Nicolas Maduro is corrupt, authoritarian & cynical. This is a terrible comparison unless you're the Daily Mail & think Corbyn is Stalin but with more anti-semitism
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This Gove bookshelf stuff really bummed me out. I'm under no illusions as to how the media machine conspired with inside sources at Labour to make the AS thing a "thing", but it's just really frustrating how cynically it all plays out. Literally nobody important argued this in good faith so when Gove's bookcase was seen, the same people who were screaming about Corbyn's anti-semitic eyebrow movements were silent about Gove's reading habits. It is, at least, a good moment to point Liberals to when they think they're going to make the right-wing poo poo itself by pointing out hypocrisy or double standards. It's part of a reason they all have a giant lob-on for Keir Starmer. They think he's going to trap Johnson and his ilk in some logical net of forensic questioning at PMQs, and his whole front bench will explode like robots. When in reality he might get a "win" on the coverage of PMQs, and precisely gently caress all will change otherwise. winegums fucked around with this message at 09:44 on May 5, 2020 |
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winegums posted:This Gove bookshelf stuff really bummed me out. I'm under no illusions as to how the media machine conspired with inside sources at Labour to make the AS thing a "thing", but it's just really frustrating how cynically it all plays out. Literally nobody important argued this in good faith so when Gove's bookcase was seen, the same people who were screaming about Corbyn's anti-semitic eyebrow movements were silent about Gove's reading habits. In many cases not just silent but actively defending
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winegums posted:This Gove bookshelf stuff really bummed me out. I'm under no illusions as to how the media machine conspired with inside sources at Labour to make the AS thing a "thing", but it's just really frustrating how cynically it all plays out. Literally nobody important argued this in good faith so when Gove's bookcase was seen, the same people who were screaming about Corbyn's anti-semitic eyebrow movements were silent about Gove's reading habits. They literally don't care about change, they just care about scoring a point for their team in politicsball.
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Labour has released the 7 Core Principles by which it will provide good, unifying opposition during the crisis
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CGI Stardust posted:Labour has released the 7 Core Principles by which it will provide good, unifying opposition during the crisis in a way this is heartening. this tells us we never have to talk or think about the labour party ever again. thank you, mr starmer, for the gift of liberation. thank you for respecting us enough to tell us early in your term that we are no longer required to endlessly debate the internal affairs of the labour party, that it is a waste of time.
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justcola posted:Isle of Wight is the test bed for the governments new 'track and trace' app.
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forkboy84 posted:lol no. This is a terrible comparison. Corbyn is a highly principled democratic socialist who believes in compromise & all sorts of slightly naive ideals like that. Nicolas Maduro is corrupt, authoritarian & cynical. This is a terrible comparison unless you're the Daily Mail & think Corbyn is Stalin but with more anti-semitism ask me about my political compass  
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CGI Stardust posted:Labour has released the 7 Core Principles by which it will provide good, unifying opposition during the crisis love that redundant color chart
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forkboy84 posted:lol no. This is a terrible comparison. Corbyn is a highly principled democratic socialist who believes in compromise & all sorts of slightly naive ideals like that. Nicolas Maduro is corrupt, authoritarian & cynical. This is a terrible comparison unless you're the Daily Mail & think Corbyn is Stalin but with more anti-semitism imo it's best not to adopt the language of people who think you are just as inhuman as maduro or indeed any venezuelan who supports him. you've immediately conceded too much ground to people who will gladly see you in a ditch next to him.
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CGI Stardust posted:Labour has released the 7 Core Principles by which it will provide good, unifying opposition during the crisis Loving the randomly allocated colour coded boxes and weird alignment of the numbers TACD posted:lol are they still planning to ignore the API Apple and Google came up with for this specific situation in favour of their own one that a) runs down the battery, b) isn’t anonymous and c) doesn’t work? they were saying you have to leave Bluetooth on all day but apparently the app will save your battery life! My experience on public sector IT projects is that it never works properly, 4 people know how it works but won't tell anyone and it costs ten times as much as anything else.
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Necrothatcher posted:love that redundant color chart
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Necrothatcher posted:love that redundant color chart Keir Starmer spends the entire PMQs demanding to know whether the Tories have "done the green one yet", much to everyone's bafflement. The Guardian declare him the winner of PMQs.
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CGI Stardust posted:Labour has released the 7 Core Principles by which it will provide good, unifying opposition during the crisis If we need a national consensus we might as well pack it in. We can't even agree on whether milk goes in our tea first or last.
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winegums posted:This Gove bookshelf stuff really bummed me out. I'm under no illusions as to how the media machine conspired with inside sources at Labour to make the AS thing a "thing", but it's just really frustrating how cynically it all plays out. Literally nobody important argued this in good faith so when Gove's bookcase was seen, the same people who were screaming about Corbyn's anti-semitic eyebrow movements were silent about Gove's reading habits. Bobstar posted:Keir Starmer spends the entire PMQs demanding to know whether the Tories have "done the green one yet", much to everyone's bafflement. Pissed me right off tbh, his general approach to questioning was p much identical to Jez, except that he then just sorta goes along with it & moves on when the Govt give him an open goal. & Raab is impressively poo poo at PMQs too, worse than May even. Johnson is gonna eat him alive.
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Necrothatcher posted:love that redundant color chart At least they haven't picked seven shades of red like the tories have been doing with blue for their briefing bar charts
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CGI Stardust posted:Labour has released the 7 Core Principles by which it will provide good, unifying opposition during the crisis 
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gh0stpinballa posted:imo it's best not to adopt the language of people who think you are just as inhuman as maduro or indeed any venezuelan who supports him. you've immediately conceded too much ground to people who will gladly see you in a ditch next to him. Personally I don't think there's any value in pretending any strongman wrapping themselves in a red flag should uncritically be taken as my ally but my politics are closer to anarchism than anything else these days & I know what you think about that so I doubt we'll agree on this. But the cynical politics where "the enemy of the US is my ally" has done absolutely gently caress all good for the left. It is simultaneously possible & in fact desirable to be morally consistent on condemning US imperialism & Chinese or Russian imperialism, not because of how some liberal with a boner for foreign intervention will react but because it is in fact the right stance to take. Maduro is a poo poo. He is less of a poo poo than Guaido would be but that's a spectacularly low bar to set. It's not conceding any ground, it's just where I stand. Maduro is not good, but if the US gets his way he'll be replaced by someone who does an even worse job because they will be in a long, rich vein of US backed free market fundamentalists in South America & that'll be a disaster for the poor there.
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I can see the broadcasters having some fun with that 7 point plan: "So, Mr opposition spokesperson, could you remind us what point 4 is again? What, can't you remember?"
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forkboy84 posted:Personally I don't think there's any value in pretending any strongman wrapping themselves in a red flag should uncritically be taken as my ally but my politics are closer to anarchism than anything else these days & I know what you think about that so I doubt we'll agree on this. But the cynical politics where "the enemy of the US is my ally" has done absolutely gently caress all good for the left. It is simultaneously possible & in fact desirable to be morally consistent on condemning US imperialism & Chinese or Russian imperialism, not because of how some liberal with a boner for foreign intervention will react but because it is in fact the right stance to take.
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CGI Stardust posted:Labour has released the 7 Core Principles by which it will provide good, unifying opposition during the crisis what is the point
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CGI Stardust posted:Labour has released the 7 Core Principles by which it will provide good, unifying opposition during the crisis I like the little blocks of colour. They've won my vote.
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Pistol_Pete posted:I can see the broadcasters having some fun with that 7 point plan: "So, Mr opposition spokesperson, could you remind us what point 4 is again? What, can't you remember?" Don't be silly. The adults are in the room now. They're far too sensible and competent, and know all the secrets of managing media coverage. What will happen is they'll spend so much time drilling the order and colours of their very important list that they'll not notice when footage is released of Michael Gove literally running around nursing homes shooting people
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XMNN posted:lol is this like the brexit tests again It's an excuse to support whatever the government does
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