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XMNN posted:lol is this like the brexit tests again Hey those brexit tests were meant to be the cleverest thing ever until the election happened, it got explained to me in great boring detail. e: 1921 was when the Tulsa Race Riots took place in the USA Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 11:20 on May 5, 2020 |
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XMNN posted:lol is this like the brexit tests again Keir Starmer's difficult second album.
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Isomermaid posted:Something about that card's design made me react negatively to it instantly and I just worked out it's mostly that font. The text is all "serious political tests" but graphically it screams "7 levels of hot chicken wings, how spicy can you go?"
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Guavanaut posted:The left are such children. If you don't run around nursing homes shooting people how can you possibly know if that's a good thing or a bad thing? Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Once people see Michael Gove shooting people, they'll be sure to condemn him. This is the correct order for these events. Bobstar fucked around with this message at 11:33 on May 5, 2020 |
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CGI Stardust posted:Labour has released the 7 Core Principles by which it will provide good, unifying opposition during the crisis Only 2, 3 and half of 6 are even relevant. More words = more decorum? Or is that opposition for opposition's sake?
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CGI Stardust posted:Labour has released the 7 Core Principles by which it will provide good, unifying opposition during the crisis What a load of rubbish. They can't even centre a number in a box in Word (or possibly powerpoint) and expect to run the country? :smdh: Labour HQ need a boot up the bum for all things 'office adminy' and that goes double for Welsh Labour. I'm all for not wasting money but really.
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I guess when they said Keir was going to be forensic they were thinking about colour coded charts and dirt_texture02.png applied to the background of official documents. Where I live you'd have thought lockdown had lifted anyway. People sat in parks and outside pubs smoking fags and drinking cans, families parking cars up and running round, shops are starting to reopen. I live in a wee town in West Yorkshire but hearing similar stuff elsewhere.
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I look forward to both parties bravely agreeing that 'keeps people safe' is an important goal, Boris and Keir warmly shaking hands and smiling for the camera is recognition of the national unity at this troubling time. Then with that out of the way Boris can get back to forcing people to work in dangerous situations and Keir can get back to letting him do so.
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CGI Stardust posted:Labour has released the 7 Core Principles by which it will provide good, unifying opposition during the crisis looks familiar 
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like I don't understand who that graphic or the message in general is aimed at. is it labour members? is it the general public? I'm interested in politics and I can barely summon the energy to actually look at it. cut it down to 3 or 4 points max, make them concise and maybe there's a chance people will be able to remember them. As it is, if they ever get mentioned on the news again it will either be as "labour's tests" as a whole without further explanation, or like pistol_pete said as a gotcha question or just make it "the plan must be good, and not bad" because its basically the same thing and will have the same effect (literally nothing) e: Doccykins posted:
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CGI Stardust posted:Labour has released the 7 Core Principles by which it will provide good, unifying opposition during the crisis Hmm yes a very forensic use of colour, finally we have a strong opposition.
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gh0stpinballa posted:in a way this is heartening. this tells us we never have to talk or think about the labour party ever again. thank you, mr starmer, for the gift of liberation. thank you for respecting us enough to tell us early in your term that we are no longer required to endlessly debate the internal affairs of the labour party, that it is a waste of time. Isomermaid posted:Something about that card's design made me react negatively to it instantly and I just worked out it's mostly that font. The text is all "serious political tests" but graphically it screams "7 levels of hot chicken wings, how spicy can you go?" Mains
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Points 1 and 3 on that graphic are basically the same thing (1 implies 3) All of the colour choices except 2 and 4 are basically unreadable for people with visual impairments. Great job!
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Just remember that there's always a difference between taking office and taking power and it's power that you want to have. Also read Lenin and Luxemburg.
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GazChap posted:Points 1 and 3 on that graphic are basically the same thing (1 implies 3) 
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It looks like Italy's official coronavirus deaths were about half the excess deaths (for March). https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-05/italy-coronavirus-death-toll-much-higher-than-reported-istat/12214396 If that holds, then I believe that would put Italy's total deaths approaching 60k.
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GazChap posted:Points 1 and 3 on that graphic are basically the same thing (1 implies 3) 4 is in direct opposition to 1 & 3
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Pablo Bluth posted:It looks like Italy's official coronavirus deaths were about half the excess deaths (for March). While it's obvious that the government didn't prepare in time and has us stuck at this plateau of deaths because the lock down isn't hard enough and there's no scope to actually do anything due to lack of preparation I'm hesitant to shout too loudly about how massively bad the death rate is contrast to much of Europe because we don't have a universal comparison between all of them and also sadly who the hell knows how everyone will deal with future waves. It's better to just press the point that we had more time than others and so we should be doing better rather than comparable or obviously worse than Spain or Italy.
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forkboy84 posted:Personally I don't think there's any value in pretending any strongman wrapping themselves in a red flag should uncritically be taken as my ally but my politics are closer to anarchism than anything else these days & I know what you think about that so I doubt we'll agree on this. But the cynical politics where "the enemy of the US is my ally" has done absolutely gently caress all good for the left. It is simultaneously possible & in fact desirable to be morally consistent on condemning US imperialism & Chinese or Russian imperialism, not because of how some liberal with a boner for foreign intervention will react but because it is in fact the right stance to take. meh i just think the risk you run when you frontload an anti-imperialist statement with loads of "don't get me wrong he's so corrupt and evil" stuff is that you can undermine the "we shouldn't invade or overthrow them tho" part of it. if people ask me about corruption or electoral fraud or whatever i just say "that is completely irreleveant to the question of whether we should be stealing their gold/arming contras/overthrowing them". i seriously don't know where this cartoonish figure of the leftist as diehard supporter of US enemies exists these days outside of phil grieves twitter followers. gh0stpinballa fucked around with this message at 12:47 on May 5, 2020 |
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i think the western narrative of the syrian war unravelling so spectacularly may have caused a generation of people who came of age in the last decade to perhaps over-correct in how they present their anti-imperialist politics. which leads to some semi-ironic-but-not-really juche boosting at the extremes for example. possibly this is who you mean by enemy of my enemy types. the old school cranks have always been there but nobody likes those people anyway.
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gh0stpinballa posted:i think the western narrative of the syrian war unravelling so spectacularly may have caused a generation of people who came of age in the last decade to perhaps over-correct in how they present their anti-imperialist politics. which leads to some semi-ironic-but-not-really juche boosting at the extremes for example. possibly this is who you mean by enemy of my enemy types. the old school cranks have always been there but nobody likes those people anyway. It's the Phil Graves unironic Tankies, it's the CPGB-ML types, the Morning Star often engages in that sort of foreign affairs whatabboutery, and sure, there's not many of them and they are mostly old enough to be dead within the decade but the Morning Star is the real-world media most notable left-wing voice by some margin. (I know the way I wrote this makes it sound like the CPGB-ML are behind the Morning Star rather than the CPB. loving splinters of splinters of splinters, it gets hard to talk about all these loons) It's like I have no issue understanding why the Bolsheviks did the October Coup in 1917 & yet take issue with what they did once they had power & turned on the left-SRs & the anarchists & the other "left communists" to use the term of the time. Yeah, if I was talking to a wider audience I'd be less equivocal but basically this is a thread full of people who are at worst Labour soft left all the way to ancoms & ML-ists so it feels fair to remind that not all of the bluster against Maduro is US lies, some of it comes from reality. It's just that the solution isn't overthrowing him with Venezuela's equivalent of Bolsonaro, Fujimori or god forbid Pinochet, it's replacing him with someone sincerely committed to communism, to each according to their need.
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Who wants to find out why Sir Kier is asking Boris Johnson to build a national consensus on coronavirus? tough poo poo it's behind the times pay wall https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-im-asking-boris-johnson-to-build-a-national-consensus-on-coronavirus-ctpqwnht3
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It is four weeks since I was elected leader of the Labour Party. In my acceptance speech I made a commitment to the British people: that I would do my utmost to guide us through these difficult times, to serve all of our communities and to strive for the good of our country. I stand by that commitment. I said in that speech that we would have the courage to support the government when it was doing the right thing. That is why we supported lockdown, why we supported its extension and why we will support the government later this week when lockdown is reviewed. Saving lives and livelihoods must be our first priority. But, as I also said four weeks ago, Labour must have the courage to challenge the government when mistakes are being made. The government went into this crisis unprepared and have been behind the curve ever since: too slow to enter lockdown, too slow on testing, too slow on personal protective equipment, too slow to set out an exit strategy. We need to learn from those mistakes. We cannot be as unprepared for the next phase of this crisis. That is why I called on the government last month to publish an exit strategy. Not for the lockdown to be lifted, but for a national strategy for how businesses, public services, communities and families could plan and be supported for the future. I welcome the government’s commitment to now do that. But this cannot be written in isolation. Nor can it be done without an honest conversation with the public. There are no quick fixes to this crisis. We are in this for the long haul. The British people have made huge sacrifices and if we are to take them with us, then they have to be part of the debate about what comes next. I want to see a national consensus, building on the expertise of business groups, trade unions, public services and other relevant organisations. And I want Labour to be a part of that conversation. Today I have set out the seven core principles for the government’s exit strategy. These core principles are designed to ensure businesses, public services and communities are supported and kept safe in the weeks ahead. That means ensuring robust protections when people go back to work or use our public services. A massive expansion in testing and tracing. Having a structured approach to easing and tightening restrictions. And building the NHS’s resilience for the winter. A vaccine will of course be critical to ending this pandemic. We are unlikely to see one developed for many more months, but it is imperative that we start work now to build the capacity and infrastructure required to distribute it when it is ready. These are the principles that I will be taking to the prime minister when we speak later this week. And these are the arguments I will be making on behalf of the British people.
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Jose posted:starmer is responsible for this bullshit tone policing A wee wave to Michael Gove at the 34s mark?
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peanut- posted:It is four weeks since I was elected leader of the Labour Party. In my acceptance speech I made a commitment to the British people: that I would do my utmost to guide us through these difficult times, to serve all of our communities and to strive for the good of our country. I stand by that commitment. thank you, doesn't actually say much and it's a lot shorter than I expected. He doesn't even really explain his tests, maybe it was printed with a graphic? I was mostly just a bit disappointed at getting linked by several labour mps to an article behind a murdoch pay wall, when surely he must have made a very similar statement somewhere else. Also, what on earth does "that is why... we will support the government later this week when lockdown is reviewed" actually mean? The other things they courageously (loving lol) supported the government on that he cites are things where the government's actual decision is known, i.e. whether we went into lockdown and whether we came out of it, so you could be for or against them. How do they know they're going to support the government's decision later this week when they don't know what it is or why they made it?
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forkboy84 posted:It's the Phil Graves unironic Tankies, it's the CPGB-ML types, the Morning Star often engages in that sort of foreign affairs whatabboutery, and sure, there's not many of them and they are mostly old enough to be dead within the decade but the Morning Star is the real-world media most notable left-wing voice by some margin. (I know the way I wrote this makes it sound like the CPGB-ML are behind the Morning Star rather than the CPB. loving splinters of splinters of splinters, it gets hard to talk about all these loons) yeah i would agree  im sorry if i said something lovely to you about anarchists btw, i do find it a very interesting concept i just went thru a phase where i kept encountering anarchists who were all about invading syria, iran, etc for some reason. the internet has poisoned a lot of minds.
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Jippa posted:People are seriously pissed off that mcdonald's isn't reopening in their area. gently caress. That's going to make it impossible to get to the Sittingbourne M&S for shopping. (M&S is my supermarket of last resort if everything else has too long queues or has been picked bare)
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Guavanaut posted:It's anti-Northern prejudice. Greggs will be serving the North though so as usual it's the Midlands that ends up with nothing. I assume it's cause their delivery depot is somewhere close to the Dartford crossing. e: actually that doesn't make sense with Luton and Harrow maybe they've picked the 15 closest to London with reasonably low footfall Julio Cruz fucked around with this message at 14:16 on May 5, 2020 |
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Julio Cruz posted:I assume it's cause their delivery depot is somewhere close to the Dartford crossing. They clearly hate whippets and flat caps.
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