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This is funny because if Democrats have to fall in love then Biden is guaranteed to lose because nobody actually likes him and it's not like he has any way of making people excited for his rapist rear end. So if your friend's argument is true, that's just another extremely strong reason for why Biden needs to be replaced.
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I've had people suggest that the problem is that people aren't excited or happy for Biden, while on Trump's side they're all in. I'm worried that'll be the election gap, because while the average person would rather have Biden, they won't actively go out and try for that, compared to Trump or his team getting a Facebook ad pushing him over someone who might barely make a dent in them if he wins.
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May 5, 2020 06:21
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Scientist Al Gore posted:I'd bet if we got in a time machine, went to any place that had elections and ask people in that era what they thought about whomever was running you'd immediately be bombarded how every politician running simply isn't good enough for a vote. Or the two or even three party system suck what we really need is an alternative! You can ask Trump voters right now and they'd say they're stoked and are super happy with their guy Being pumped to vote for somebody you like is only an aberration with the modern Dems lol. There have been a few elections where both sucked rear end and everybody hated them but the term "populist" exists for a reason
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May 5, 2020 06:55
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bobjr posted:I've had people suggest that the problem is that people aren't excited or happy for Biden, while on Trump's side they're all in. I'm worried that'll be the election gap, because while the average person would rather have Biden, they won't actively go out and try for that, compared to Trump or his team getting a Facebook ad pushing him over someone who might barely make a dent in them if he wins. Correct, this was a big and known factor from day 1 and is the natural result of ramming through a loser puttering away in 5th place with zero campaign infrastructure. Sounds like it'll be a rough 6 months pulling him across the line, good luck to them!
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May 5, 2020 07:00
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Scientist Al Gore posted:I'm not trying to patronize anyone, it's just how things tend to work out of the majority of the time and lets face it most people don't want a revolution! Why? Because they know there have been plenty of times in history that even well meaning revolutions have ended up being completely destroyed with their leaders in jail, dead, etc. and several feet back from where they started. Scientist Al Gore posted:Don't get me wrong, the 1960 Civil Rights Movement was awesome. Go America! shut the gently caress up you stupid cracker how loving dare you even for an instant equate your disgusting ideology with the blood sweat and tears shed by the leaders of the struggle for civil rights, who, might i remind you, WERE loving MURDER DOWN TO THE LAST ONE OF THEM BY THE loving WHITE SUPREMACIST STATE where the absolute gently caress do you get off in thinking you have the remotest RIGHT to dare lay claim to a single WORD of those that loving DIED so that no one would have to suffer from from both the incredible harm of white supremacy and the relentless harm of deprivation, and yes, indeed, the horrors of capitalism????? how loving DARE YOU e: Scientist Al Gore posted:Agreed entirely, if anything I kind of feel like Malcom X was severely underrated. Crazy life story, too bad it was cut short. if chuds are the face of white supremacy, you are the other side of that coin get the gently caress out with your horseshit "just asking quwuwestions uwu" routine (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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A big flaming stink posted:shut the gently caress up you stupid cracker everything this guy said x1000 but less politely (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I actually get the impression that Scientist Al Gore is more representative of what your average liberal believes and isn't posting in bad faith (as opposed to the various other posters who come into here and are obviously hostile to the left to begin with). They probably genuinely don't realize why the opinions they're expressing are wrong and off-putting, because those opinions are mostly the sort of things that are taken as common sense in liberal discourse. Like, their understanding of the Civil Rights Movement is deeply flawed, but it's flawed in a way that is natural to someone of a liberal inclination who lives in the US (or is otherwise exposed to a similar view of history). The way most people are taught history, historical events basically have clear and immediate causes with a handful of key figures driving them. So it's not surprising that someone would come away with the impression that something like the Civil Rights Movement was the result of some people suddenly seizing the moment and convincing politicians to pass the 1964 Civil Rights Act, rather than a long and ongoing power struggle where the tension finally reached a point where the US government decided that it was best to concede some basic rights. Scientist Al Gore posted:The way the word liberal has been used by many of the "leftist" posters in this thread - I don't mean this as a pejorative is incorrect. Neo-liberal is exactly what they are describing when they used the term liberal. It's wrong and no one anywhere else from mass media to academia will you find it used in such a way because that isn't what it means. "Liberal" is an extremely vague term by itself that can technically overlap with neoliberals and a variety of other ideologies. In the US, the only self-described left-leaning liberals who aren't neoliberals tend to be some strain of social democratic, which is a better descriptor for what your most left-leaning US liberals believe (not opposed to capitalism but believe in a strong welfare state).
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A big flaming stink posted:shut the gently caress up you stupid cracker Best post of this entire thread so far
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May 5, 2020 08:47
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scientist al gore believes that the struggles and strife of civil rights activism are there for him to point at, straining and struggling to understand only to puke out 'wow, cool black people'
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May 5, 2020 09:02
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A big flaming stink posted:shut the gently caress up you stupid cracker Succinct, accurate, and to the point. You're completely entitled to your ideology, Scientist Al Gore, but don't act as if you can speak for those who lost their lives during the Civil Rights Movement.
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May 5, 2020 09:08
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imagine someone who looks at the civil rights movement and says 'actually, both sides are wrong' that's scientist al gore
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*note: scientist al gore actually believes that one side isn't wrong but refuses to admit it
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May 5, 2020 09:10
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Scientist Al Gore posted:If politics is a game, it's a game of inches. You move forward a little bit, you move backwards a little bit. Rarely, you get some super cool opportunities like the Civil Rights movement in the 1960s but even then that was especially brutal, extremely risky and despite a great outcome the success was paid in blood. Politics are not, in fact, a game.
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May 5, 2020 09:50
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M4A, Wealth Tax, and some Pro-Labor policies is like the bare minimum im looking for in electoralism. Basic Human Rights should be a easy bar for the progressive Democratic Party to clear.
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hey scientist al gore are you saying that i should, in fact, be happy with biden's plan to make it so i can marry in 25 instead of 30 years, because get 5 years is better than nothing right? how long until you can get married without worrying about losing healthcare you need to function and live?
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Actually I think you'll find that the history of civil rights consists entirely of minorities very politely asking that the bad men stop oppressing them until upper middle class liberals granted them exactly as many civil rights as was possible at the time out of the kindness of their hearts. So basically white PMC liberals are the real heroes of the civil rights movement and you need to support them unconditionally or else.
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May 5, 2020 11:06
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destroy my fragile body with a probe if you must, but know this: the poster scientist al gore is a creep and not welcome in my home (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 5, 2020 11:23
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the_steve posted:Shared the Ryan Grim story, which didn't count because The Intercept is apparently an "unknown" publication. Lol The Intercept broke the loving Snowden story. Members of the alphabet soup agencies are banned from reading it, which is a testimony to its legitimacy.
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May 5, 2020 11:37
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dex_sda posted:Lol The Intercept broke the loving Snowden story. Members of the alphabet soup agencies are banned from reading it, which is a testimony to its legitimacy. Ryan Grimm is the journalist who first reported on the Ford accusations against Kavanaugh so it's even more nakedly hypocritical
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May 5, 2020 12:25
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A big flaming stink posted:shut the gently caress up you stupid cracker  , to be honest.
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The funniest part of that liberal dipshit's post is that they think a moderate social Democrat asking for a basic social safety net is a "revolution".
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It's one of the most reductive, white-washing, horseshit descriptions of the civil rights movement I've ever read. It's almost impressive how insulting it is.
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Scientist Al Gore posted:If politics is a game, it's a game of inches. You move forward a little bit, you move backwards a little bit. Rarely, you get some super cool opportunities like the Civil Rights movement in the 1960s but even then that was especially brutal, extremely risky and despite a great outcome the success was paid in blood. The end result of this political philosophy is the destruction of our civilization in climate Armageddon so maybe it's not too good idk
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May 5, 2020 12:52
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Cpt_Obvious posted:My point was that you can draw a direct line between the liberal divinity of the market and the fascist divinity of the state. Both systems seek to replace the worship of God with the worship of the anchoring political structure. This is interesting. Could you expand a little on the stock market being a political structure? The only thing I can really think of is people get wealth in the stock market and thus have more access to power structures.
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I don't think I've read something, including chud ramblings, that got me as genuinely angry asquote:If politics is a game, it's a game of inches. You move forward a little bit, you move backwards a little bit. Rarely, you get some super cool opportunities like the Civil Rights movement in the 1960s Like, I literally woke up, read that again, and said 'gently caress that guy' out loud despite having seen it last night. It also 100% encapsulates the main DNC position on things.
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May 5, 2020 13:38
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I don’t understand how this story never got more traction https://twitter.com/prokchorp/status/1257503054578008075?s=21
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May 5, 2020 13:42
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A big flaming stink posted:shut the gently caress up you stupid cracker
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May 5, 2020 13:44
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All the “I believe Joe Biden” stories gloss over how the man is historically famous for lying.
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May 5, 2020 13:46
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Maaaaybe you guys would stop flipping out at Scientist Al Gore if you just read what he said, instead of writing things between the lines and then reading them. He's saying the most anodyne liberal poo poo ever (the civil rights movement was good! the world has gotten better over... centuries!) and you guys are melting down because you're reading it as (civil rights leaders were liberal heroes! history is a straight line to fairness and equality!). Is it really this hard to have a conversation with somebody you disagree with?
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Mellow Seas posted:Maaaaybe you guys would stop flipping out at Scientist Al Gore if you just read what he said, instead of writing things between the lines and then reading them. He's saying the most anodyne liberal poo poo ever (the civil rights movement was good! the world has gotten better over... centuries!) and you guys are melting down because you're reading it as (civil rights leaders were liberal heroes! history is a straight line to fairness and equality!). Is it really this hard to have a conversation with somebody you disagree with? Except they aren't just saying that the civil rights movement was good. You can actually read the other words they wrote and maybe even draw meaning from them!
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Mellow Seas posted:Maaaaybe you guys would stop flipping out at Scientist Al Gore if you just read what he said, instead of writing things between the lines and then reading them. He's saying the most anodyne liberal poo poo ever (the civil rights movement was good! the world has gotten better over... centuries!) and you guys are melting down because you're reading it as (civil rights leaders were liberal heroes! history is a straight line to fairness and equality!). Is it really this hard to have a conversation with somebody you disagree with? This is satire, right?
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Mellow Seas posted:Maaaaybe you guys would stop flipping out at Scientist Al Gore if you just read what he said, instead of writing things between the lines and then reading them. He's saying the most anodyne liberal poo poo ever (the civil rights movement was good! the world has gotten better over... centuries!) and you guys are melting down because you're reading it as (civil rights leaders were liberal heroes! history is a straight line to fairness and equality!). Is it really this hard to have a conversation with somebody you disagree with? The Civil Rights Movement was awesome! Go America! 
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'Politics is frequently a choice between the lesser evil. That's just politics' I say, as they shove me into the oven
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sexpig by night posted:It also 100% encapsulates the main DNC position on things. It really does. I think one of the most visceral guh things I've ever read was someone explaining to me in a condescending manner that the democrats gave us rights as recently as the whole gay marriage thing. I don't remember who said it or where I saw it, but the idea that we should be grateful to our establishment betters for any morsel of liberty they deign to grace us with (because that's obviously how it works) was utterly maddening. I don't know how to deal with the fact that a big portion of the country firmly seems to believe "if you're not decorous to them they won't give you rights!" and that that's somehow a desirable state.
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Mellow Seas posted:Maaaaybe you guys would stop flipping out at Scientist Al Gore if you just read what he said, instead of writing things between the lines and then reading them. He's saying the most anodyne liberal poo poo ever (the civil rights movement was good! the world has gotten better over... centuries!) and you guys are melting down because you're reading it as (civil rights leaders were liberal heroes! history is a straight line to fairness and equality!). Is it really this hard to have a conversation with somebody you disagree with? Could you please knock it off with the tone policing? Just because people weren’t dainty with him doesn’t mean they misread him. “Anodyne liberal poo poo” deserves no quarter. People gave good reasons why they were frustrated — this kind of whitewashing view of real struggle is disrespectful to those who put their lives on the line for progress. It’s a view that ought to be firmly repudiated. quote:If anything, I assure you at least 1960s Civil Rights marches would shocked to here anyone claiming the way to political reform is through not voting. Like this sentence is infuriating just on its face. Yes I’m sure those in the 1960s Civil Rights movement would be shocked at the notion of not voting for the segregationist who eulogized Strom Thurmond. misadventurous fucked around with this message at 14:34 on May 5, 2020 |
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Ershalim posted:It really does. I think one of the most visceral guh things I've ever read was someone explaining to me in a condescending manner that the democrats gave us rights as recently as the whole gay marriage thing. I don't remember who said it or where I saw it, but the idea that we should be grateful to our establishment betters for any morsel of liberty they deign to grace us with (because that's obviously how it works) was utterly maddening. We gave you gay rights! *gave exactly one right, still isn't sure about the T*
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Mellow Seas posted:Maaaaybe you guys would stop flipping out at Scientist Al Gore if you just read what he said, instead of writing things between the lines and then reading them. He's saying the most anodyne liberal poo poo ever (the civil rights movement was good! the world has gotten better over... centuries!) and you guys are melting down because you're reading it as (civil rights leaders were liberal heroes! history is a straight line to fairness and equality!). Is it really this hard to have a conversation with somebody you disagree with? Maybe they should read a book instead of stumbling in here and talking about how no one wants to do revolution because it's hard and that's why they need to vote for a rapist.
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https://twitter.com/T4RIG/status/1257202099387019264?s=20 This guy is sounding better and better!
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Epic High Five posted:uh buddy ur fuckin nominee is literally telling us to vote for the man, maybe get with the party line on this and encourage us to I voted for Bernie in Ohio even after he dropped out. I don't really care who you vote for in the general, or if you vote at all. ManBoyChef posted:where did I say I wanted trump to win. I just hope biden loses. The former is the necessary result of the latter. They are mutually inclusive. Xombie fucked around with this message at 14:51 on May 5, 2020 |
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