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Vasukhani posted:So i finally purchased this, mainly because I wanted to drive a lotus 49 and grand prix legends was getting boring (I even managed to win a race against the AI ghost of jim clark), anyway, with the safety rating, to get out of rookie is slow driving and just making laps a viable strategy? There is no reason to actually "race" the first races right? Or do you get more SR for finishing well? If you've conquered GPL you're going to be fine competitively in iRacing. Getting out of rookies is very easy, but it requires you to have a non-racing mindset. The only thing that is important while you are a rookie is avoiding incidents. Any time a green message appears at the top of your screen you have failed. This means do not engage in on-track battles, do not try and Cole Trickle your way through pile ups, and always try and exist in a pocket of clean air so the people you are sharing the track with (who generally don't have this mindset) cannot reach you to gently caress you up. If you can drive races with 0 incidents, you will be surprised at how quickly your SR rises. After that you can start engaging your racecraft and worrying about where you finish.
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I wish I could go back in time and give myself the same advice, because it took me nearly a year and a half to get out of rookies, courtesy of me not getting it and rage-quitting the entire service. I probably won 80% of the races I did in that period but because I got on average 10 incidents a race doing it (all off tracks from trying too hard) the wins didn't mean poo poo and I stayed a rookie.
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May 5, 2020 00:56
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"Don't race in rookies" is bad advice though. It's treating iRacing like an MMO where you're trying to shortcut the grind to level 20 so you can start accessing the PVP content. The point of rookies is to learn how to race with other cars without crashing, not to tiptoe around at 80% speed whilst social distancing yourself 20 seconds behind the next car at all times. Learn all that stuff in rookies where the stakes are lower, or you're likely to find yourself graduating to a D Licence but with no idea how to race safely and closely, and causing accidents as a result.
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May 5, 2020 07:42
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Not to mention rolling around slowly is going to give you a low iRating when you get to D class, so the people you'll be racing when you get to D will likely be people who've done the same thing to get out of rookies. So the racing is going to be worse, you'll have bad or boring races, get wrecked out/wreck people more and generally have a more miserable time.
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May 5, 2020 09:25
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Some of the Sheep posted:If you've conquered GPL you're going to be fine competitively in iRacing. Getting out of rookies is very easy, but it requires you to have a non-racing mindset. The only thing that is important while you are a rookie is avoiding incidents. Any time a green message appears at the top of your screen you have failed. This means do not engage in on-track battles, do not try and Cole Trickle your way through pile ups, and always try and exist in a pocket of clean air so the people you are sharing the track with (who generally don't have this mindset) cannot reach you to gently caress you up. I'm out of rookies. This debate between "racing/ non-racing" is a little moot, I basically settled on an in-between where I didn't contest space with faster cars and only passed lapped traffic on straights. Which I guess is how you are supposed to be driving in Iracing. Mostly scored top 5s and 10s.
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May 5, 2020 09:34
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Yeah, driving around the back doesn't help you because you don't learn what boneheads you're dealing with, but trying to race them hard is also impossible. "Learn how to race" should really be more like "learn how to avoid bad drivers".
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May 5, 2020 10:23
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Vando posted:Yeah, driving around the back doesn't help you because you don't learn what boneheads you're dealing with, but trying to race them hard is also impossible. "Learn how to race" should really be more like "learn how to avoid bad drivers". this 100%.. Learn to drive with idiots and what they look like etc.
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May 5, 2020 12:50
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I'll drive around with the idiots but I don't like starting with them. My irating took a nose dive when I started to learn the skip cause I'm pretty new to iracing so I'm with terrible drivers right now so I like to start behind everyone then catch up and start racing once everyone is spaced out
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May 5, 2020 14:31
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You need to learn to handle a race start at some point, better to do it in the lower level series' than end up only ever making it past lap one occasionally in the faster cars. Seriously every "trick" to getting out of rookies, or raising your SR is basically handicapping yourself by not learning the good habits and techniques you're supposed to be learning in those slower cars and lower stakes races.
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May 5, 2020 14:42
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There should be sprints where rookies have to do the first 2 laps of a race over and over until they stop crashing on turn 1 
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May 5, 2020 14:47
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Hot Karl Marx posted:I'll drive around with the idiots but I don't like starting with them. My irating took a nose dive when I started to learn the skip cause I'm pretty new to iracing so I'm with terrible drivers right now so I like to start behind everyone then catch up and start racing once everyone is spaced out A good role of thumb is just don't really try to contest anything lap one, stay out of trouble and you'll find yourself in fifth or sixth by lap 3, after that, you can race without the kamikazes. I need a new wheel with actually functioning FF, they are all sold out or 1,400 USD now due to the pandemic tho 
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May 5, 2020 15:20
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The easiest way to do well in skips is to get a decent grid position and learn to avoid the lap 1-2 wrecks. This will pretty much always drop you into the top 5 going into lap 3. It doesn't really get much better in skips, at least as far as splits I've seen.
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May 5, 2020 15:28
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njsykora posted:Seriously every "trick" to getting out of rookies, or raising your SR is basically handicapping yourself by not learning the good habits and techniques you're supposed to be learning in those slower cars and lower stakes races. This, a million times this. People are so obsessed with getting away from "the idiots" and, for no reason I can understand, think that once they get that magical D class license they'll somehow not be surrounded by people who did the same thing, and are now still racing among "the idiots" (as well as being one) but now in much faster cars. 
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May 5, 2020 15:51
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I'm going for C class so I can get back into the Miata races, except not with rookies.
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May 5, 2020 15:52
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I got my D road and D oval licenses pretty rapidly, and after getting my rear end kicked in the skippy six or seven times, I’m already back to the rookie MX5 series to git gud. (I really want to like the SRF, but holy gently caress the oversteer is just beyond me so far.) Also, I got my D oval license, got into the ARCA series to “get away from the idiots,” the same week the ARCA series was at Talladega. That was a frustrating poo poo show. Doesn’t matter how clean and well you run, some dipshit is going to bumpdraft you off the podium to the back of the pack.
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May 5, 2020 16:01
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Rincey posted:People are so obsessed with getting away from "the idiots" and, for no reason I can understand, think that once they get that magical D class license they'll somehow not be surrounded by people who did the same thing, and are now still racing among "the idiots" (as well as being one) but now in much faster cars.
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May 5, 2020 16:40
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Rincey posted:This, a million times this. I just wanted my drat irank or whatever  plus there is a specific car i want to race
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May 5, 2020 17:06
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MrYenko posted:I got my D road and D oval licenses pretty rapidly, and after getting my rear end kicked in the skippy six or seven times, I’m already back to the rookie MX5 series to git gud. Yeah. You can't really bump draft with the ARCA car very well because the nose goes under the rear of the car in front and just scoops them up.
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May 5, 2020 18:54
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Vasukhani posted:I need a new wheel with actually functioning FF, they are all sold out or 1,400 USD now due to the pandemic tho Hey, if you're in the US, shoot me an email to my username at gmail, I have something you might be interested in.
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May 5, 2020 20:19
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Getting out of Rookie should be both easy and a good learning opportunity this week. Legends are at USA. It's a long 40 lap race so you can qualify and learn to race in traffic. Tires fall out pretty well over the course of the race so you will learn tire management and also how to race different lines. This is about as easy as it's going to get at the lower licences and the Legends are super fun to drive.
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May 5, 2020 20:58
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I had just started iRacing a 5 years ago when life decided to kick me in the testicles and I had to stop. I had advanced out of rookies and started racing skips where I was finishing mid-pack when I manage to not get killed. After such a long hiatus would you guys recommend going back to rookies or toughing it out in the skip?
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May 5, 2020 20:58
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KodiakRS posted:I had just started iRacing a 5 years ago when life decided to kick me in the testicles and I had to stop. I had advanced out of rookies and started racing skips where I was finishing mid-pack when I manage to not get killed. After such a long hiatus would you guys recommend going back to rookies or toughing it out in the skip? I like the skip. I don't like the MX5. I recommend skips, but that's personal bias.
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May 5, 2020 21:02
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The new mx5 on the new tyres is way harder for rookies than it was before. I signed up in feb 2019 and was out in rookies in 4 races with 2 or 3 wins. I'm not that good, my only wins come from those early days and now I only have about 5 wins in about 130 races. Similar experience and stats with oval, although the street stock on the new tyres is still easy but a lot more fun. I find the mx5 now much harder to drive than the skippy, and I'd even say it's harder than driving GT3s. Skippy should be the rookie car imo.
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May 5, 2020 21:06
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Yeah, I tried the mx5 after a long hiatus and it was like driving on ice, though maybe because all I drive is the skip
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May 6, 2020 00:53
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I made class C 
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I just went from Rookie to D, and yeah, the Skip Barber is a hell of a lot grippier than the MX5-5.
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May 6, 2020 05:00
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Learn to race is great advice for someone new to simracing altogether, but if you're already quick and experienced from other titles, then driving rookie races with a wheel-to-wheel and race to win strategy is only going to frustrate you. As I said no-one made it clear to me that I merely needed to drive cleaner to advance so I bounced right out of the service for over a year. When I came back with the correct mindset I blew all the way through to A class in around a month, and with a 3k iR to go with it so I was never driving around at the back.
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Some of the Sheep posted:Learn to race is great advice for someone new to simracing altogether, but if you're already quick and experienced from other titles, then driving rookie races with a wheel-to-wheel and race to win strategy is only going to frustrate you. As I said no-one made it clear to me that I merely needed to drive cleaner to advance so I bounced right out of the service for over a year. When I came back with the correct mindset I blew all the way through to A class in around a month, and with a 3k iR to go with it so I was never driving around at the back. If you are an experienced sim racer you should already have the situational awareness and wreck anticipation/avoidance skills that would allow you to rapidly proceed to a D-licence, surely? Not trying to be a dick but if you're getting continually wrecked out of Street Stock or MX5 races to the point that it's obliterating your SR, then maybe that experience elsewhere isn't as relevant as you think it is.
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May 6, 2020 09:50
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If you've been sim racing for years and have never done public lobby online racing in that time, your skills aren't that transferrable to iRacing.
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May 6, 2020 09:53
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njsykora posted:If you've been sim racing for years and have never done public lobby online racing in that time, your skills aren't that transferrable to iRacing. This is true, in the old papy sims AI is basically pro, it will almost never make mistakes and not like fly out of racing lines
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May 6, 2020 10:18
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Vasukhani posted:This is true, in the old papy sims AI is basically pro, it will almost never make mistakes and not like fly out of racing lines That AI is nothing at all like racing humans so if you've never done that, definitely don't try to fast track yourself through the rookie series.
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May 6, 2020 10:47
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The ego that leads people to believe they're better than the rookie series and should be in the big leagues as soon as possible is exactly what causes so many accidents and poor decisions in racecraft.
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May 6, 2020 16:28
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Getting out of rookies while racing wasn't even that hard. In most of the races I did, almost half of the field bit the dust in turn 1. As long as I made it through that, there was hardly anyone left to wreck me.
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Wolfy posted:Getting out of rookies while racing wasn't even that hard. In most of the races I did, almost half of the field bit the dust in turn 1. As long as I made it through that, there was hardly anyone left to wreck me. I was just frustrated by being very clearly intentionally wrecked a few times. But you're right its v easy after that, just have to learn that you can't assume the other driver is not going to make a mistake.
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May 6, 2020 17:00
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Intentional wrecking is pretty rare. Someone intentionally taking an action that results in you getting wrecked is common, and rarely considered anything beyond a racing incident precipitated by idiocy.
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May 6, 2020 17:23
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I made it out of rookies on literally the first or second day just doing spec miata. It's not that hard. Besides, anyone can game their safety rating by just doing time trials. Drive the skip around an oval for a few hours - bam, free 4.0.
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May 6, 2020 17:44
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Mr. Powers posted:Intentional wrecking is pretty rare. Someone intentionally taking an action that results in you getting wrecked is common, and rarely considered anything beyond a racing incident precipitated by idiocy. guy kamikaze'd me right outta pits
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May 6, 2020 18:05
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I got 4x on a fairly clean race one time when I was trying to catch the person I was chasing after the last corner on the last lap when they decided they didn't like me or something and slammed on the brakes immediately after crossing the finish line. Someone else in the race sent me a message saying that guy is a dick for doing that also lol.
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May 6, 2020 18:10
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Keep in mind that individual events like that don't matter long-term. SR is an average, those individual stupid 4x events suck but those won't determine whether or not your SR is A or B or C.
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IOwnCalculus posted:Keep in mind that individual events like that don't matter long-term. SR is an average, those individual stupid 4x events suck but those won't determine whether or not your SR is A or B or C. I'm not complaining, dont think anyone is, it is deffo a good system and makes races much more intense and interesting
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