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Pussy Cartel posted:Doesn't look like anything I've posted, what's your point? I didn't say you did, just wanted to point out that that ship sailed a while ago
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Xombie posted:I didn't say anything about voting for him. "Hoping" for a result is not voting. this seems like a bizarre distinction without a difference very few people hope the person they vote against wins
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May 5, 2020 18:41
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VitalSigns posted:when was this Why I'm voting for Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson for president, by Jesse Ventura
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RBA Starblade posted:I didn't say you did, just wanted to point out that that ship sailed a while ago I don't think adding to the disingenuous posting really contributes anything of value to the discussion.
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May 5, 2020 18:42
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VitalSigns posted:this seems like a bizarre distinction without a difference Last I checked voting is a literal physical action you have to go take. I am unware of any states where you have to vote by psychic force.
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May 5, 2020 18:42
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Xombie posted:Please read this carefully: I have not told anyone to vote for Joe Biden. So then what's the use of writing posts like these? Xombie posted:The Bernie or Bust crowd transferring to wanting Trump to win several months ahead of the schedule I predicted a few weeks ago, I see. You claim you're a dispassionate neutral observer that cares not if anyone votes for Biden, then you sardonically say that "Bernie or Bust crowd" wants to see Trump get re-elected even more than before.
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Xombie posted:Why I'm voting for Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson for president, by Jesse Ventura Jesse Ventura voted for Jill Stein in 2016
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Xombie posted:Why I'm voting for Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson for president, by Jesse Ventura Jesse Ventura posted:If you dare sit there and say a third party can't win the presidency, then I want to know how many times you've won the lottery. Seriously, if you already know the future, how come you aren't banned from purchasing lotto tickets?  That's some grade A political analysis.
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RBA Starblade posted:I didn't say you did, just wanted to point out that that ship sailed a while ago Disingenuity is not the same thing as using satire in an attempt to highlight the ridiculousness and contradictory nature of someone's posts. Sorry bud.
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The fact that this article is titled "Jesse Ventura gets show on Russia Today" is just the icing on the cake.
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May 5, 2020 18:44
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COVID-19 posted:You claim you're a dispassionate neutral observer that cares not if anyone votes for Biden, then you sardonically say that "Bernie or Bust crowd" wants to see Trump get re-elected even more than before. The point is that I expect some part of the leftist twitter and the Bernie or Bust crew to jump the gap of the horseshoe and end up actually being pro-Trump. That's not the same thing as trying to stop them.
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May 5, 2020 18:46
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Xombie posted:Last I checked voting is a literal physical action you have to go take. I am unware of any states where you have to vote by psychic force. so let me just make sure I understand you: you're saying that anyone voting for Howie Hawkins is fine as long as they hope Howie loses, but if they hope Howie wins then they are Trumpers somehow. well it doesn't make any sense, but at least you're no longer insisting Jesse Ventura invented time travel
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:Disingenuity is not the same thing as using satire in an attempt to highlight the ridiculousness and contradictory nature of someone's posts. Sorry bud. I'm sorry to say that despite doing your part you're no Verhoeven.
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May 5, 2020 18:49
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I'm not trying to convince the Bernie or Bust crowd to vote D either. I'll continue to happily explain why voting (D) is the right thing to do in this election, but I certainly have no expectation that I'm going to convince a Something Awful Bernie or Buster over the internet to do the right thing. Honestly I'm becoming more and more down with y'all doing your protest vote. Do it, feel good, and if things go the way I hope they do then we win a huge victory without you and can then safely write you off while the actual progressives follow the Virginia model and do the hard work to make the nation and the world better off.
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May 5, 2020 18:50
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Xombie posted:I'm not voting for Biden as the lesser evil. I'm voting for him because he gives me the highest chance to get my student loans forgiven. I also don't think that this is a convincing argument for other people to vote for him. Fair, but recognize that others are voting based on other things than “what materially helps me personally the most.”
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May 5, 2020 18:51
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Xombie posted:The point is that I expect some part of the leftist twitter and the Bernie or Bust crew to jump the gap of the horseshoe and end up actually being pro-Trump. That's not the same thing as trying to stop them. Can you describe this "horseshoe" theory to me? What does that entail, exactly?
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May 5, 2020 18:52
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How are u posted:I'm not trying to convince the Bernie or Bust crowd to vote D either. I'll continue to happily explain why voting (D) is the right thing to do in this election, but I certainly have no expectation that I'm going to convince a Something Awful Bernie or Buster over the internet to do the right thing. You think it's the right thing to do but you also think it's too hard so it's not worth trying lmfaofaofoagoagoiajgaogsdlgahsv a;dfsads'lasdfl'
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How are u posted:Honestly I'm becoming more and more down with y'all doing your protest vote. Do it, feel good, and if things go the way I hope they do then we win a huge victory without you and can then safely write you off while the actual progressives follow the Virginia model and do the hard work to make the nation and the world better off. I'm sure the fossil fuel companies are shaking in their boots.
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How are u posted:... then we win a huge victory without you and can then safely write you off... Quoting this for posterity.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:By that logic, if you live in a swing state and you don't vote for Trump, you're 100% helping Biden win the election. Their logic isn't just broken for this reason; it also implies that any absence of support for Biden helps Trump. So by not phone-banking for Biden, you are helping Trump. Heck, that's even worse than not voting for Biden - you might have persuaded more than 1 people to vote for him! If you say "the burden of voting is less than the burden of phone-banking" (though this is kind of questionable depending on where you live), then someone could just phone or text-bank for 30 minutes! And this is even more true if you don't live in a swing state! Why aren't Xombie and How are u phone/text-banking for Biden? Why aren't they donating $20 to him? Do they want Trump to win? Where is the line drawn where someone can be condemned for not taking action to stop Trump? I don't see any reason to randomly draw that line at voting, since minimal volunteering or donating can have a greater effect. Xombie posted:I'm actually allowed to criticize whoever I want. Perhaps there is a reason why you get so much more riled up about someone like Ventura, who doesn't really have anything to do with the variety of things bad about this country and its actions, than you do someone like Biden. Perhaps that says something about your own beliefs and ideology. Phone posted:ventura's not even running, why are you wasting a million calories over this? are you just doing it for the love of the game? did you wake up and mix your scalding hot coffee with a scolding cold one this morning? did you just want to browse through imdb today? which is it? It's the same reason they despise Glenn Greenwald. Because their perception of politics is fundamentally about a cultural conflict, the things that motivate them emotionally tend to be based in "what type of person" the politician is, and "person who is outside of the mainstream and/or believes wacky conspiracy theories*" is up there with rednecks in terms of the types of people they absolutely despise. So they'll hypocritically use policy/ideological arguments against the people they hate that also apply to the people they like (except usually much worse), but this isn't surprising because those arguments were only ever post hoc rationalization for their gut dislike towards those people to begin with. * that liberals don't believe, since they obviously have their own fair share of wacky conspiracy theories
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How are u posted:I'm not trying to convince the Bernie or Bust crowd to vote D either. I'll continue to happily explain why voting (D) is the right thing to do in this election, but I certainly have no expectation that I'm going to convince a Something Awful Bernie or Buster over the internet to do the right thing. Cool. I hope you're just as happy when the water shortages hit due to our inaction to combat climate change. Don't worry, I'm sure that Joe Biden will get that all handled by the time he's been dead for 15 years.
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COVID-19 posted:Can you describe this "horseshoe" theory to me? What does that entail, exactly? the theory is that anyone who criticizes the Washington consensus on austerity, endless war, rich and powerful men's license to rape, etc is a right-winger and exactly like Trump in other words, agreeing with Trump on austerity, endless war, and rape, is woke and progressive, disagreeing with Trump makes you the real Trump
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Lemming posted:You think it's the right thing to do but you also think it's too hard so it's not worth trying lmfaofaofoagoagoiajgaogsdlgahsv a;dfsads'lasdfl' It doesn't really add anything to the thread to pretend like any of us are going to change the others' minds.
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COVID-19 posted:I'm sure the fossil fuel companies are shaking in their boots. They're shaking in their boots right now, actually, because the entire industry is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. e: that's a little hyperbolic, but do some reading on oil & gas because things in the US right now are dire for them. How are u fucked around with this message at 18:57 on May 5, 2020 |
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Lemming posted:You think it's the right thing to do but you also think it's too hard so it's not worth trying lmfaofaofoagoagoiajgaogsdlgahsv a;dfsads'lasdfl' Would you even accept for a minute that I'm arguing in good faith?
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How are u posted:I'm not trying to convince the Bernie or Bust crowd to vote D either. I'll continue to happily explain why voting (D) is the right thing to do in this election, but I certainly have no expectation that I'm going to convince a Something Awful Bernie or Buster over the internet to do the right thing. I'm not sure I feel comfortable with how gleefully you're writing off us racial and sexual minorities who don't feel comfortable with the increasingly right-wing positioning of the Democratic Party, especially while you continue to put yourselves forward as our champions and use us as tools to keep ostensibly progressive voters in line. How are u posted:Would you even accept for a minute that I'm arguing in good faith? I want to believe that you're arguing in good faith, but you (and a lot of other Democrats in general) seem oblivious to the distinction between your professed championing of our struggles versus the extremely limited and questionable material benefit the Democratic Party brings us, especially compared to the many oppressive systems it labours hard to reinforce.
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How are u posted:They're shaking in their boots right now, actually, because the entire industry is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. President Biden will rescue them
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How are u posted:Would you even accept for a minute that I'm arguing in good faith? No, I absolutely think you are, which is why I think that post was a perfect distillation of your worldview
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COVID-19 posted:Can you describe this "horseshoe" theory to me? What does that entail, exactly? If you have no knowledge of political ideologies or any sort of moral compass, then everything looks identical. So, fascism and socialism and anarchy are all exactly the same. Liberalism, having no moral value or judgement on the ills of society, becomes the only true solution. BTW, where does anarchy rest on the horseshoe spectrum? Somehow it always gets left out when people claim "if you go so far left you end up on the right."
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How are u posted:Would you even accept for a minute that I'm arguing in good faith? Your arguing in good faith, while you write off people with valid reasons for being fed up with the Democrats, seems worse to me than if you were just a troll.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:If you have no knowledge of political ideologies or any sort of moral compass, then everything looks identical. So, fascism and socialism and anarchy are all exactly the same. Liberalism, having no moral value or judgement on the ills of society, becomes the only true solution. It's the post you throw the horseshoe around
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Ytlaya posted:Why aren't Xombie and How are u phone/text-banking for Biden? Why aren't they donating $20 to him?. Because I don't have any interest in convincing other people to vote for him. They are both known quantities and anyone who is "undecided" is kind of an idiot. quote:Perhaps there is a reason why you get so much more riled up about someone like Ventura, who doesn't really have anything to do with the variety of things bad about this country and its actions, than you do someone like Biden. Perhaps that says something about your own beliefs and ideology. There's no reason for me to get "riled up" about Biden in this thread. There are plenty of other posters pointing out how bad he is. I don't disagree about how bad he is. He's literally the worst candidate the Dems could have put forward, of all available options. The Ventura debate came from me simply replying to a tweet about him to point out that he's a Libertarian, and everyone asking me why I think that.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:BTW, where does anarchy rest on the horseshoe spectrum? Somehow it always gets left out when people claim "if you go so far left you end up on the right." Xombie posted:"left libertarian" as a belief system is simply "there are problems in the world, let's do nothing about them". It is the very epitome of FYGM. This would be how a lot of liberals view anarchism.
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COVID-19 posted:Can you describe this "horseshoe" theory to me? What does that entail, exactly? Horseshoe theory is a self defense mechanism that allows you to justify centrism by convincing yourself that if you went too far left you'd actually be as bad as the people on the right, through some inscrutable and nebulous process, therefore it's good that you aren't further left you're just being a big boy
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How are u posted:They're shaking in their boots right now, actually, because the entire industry is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. I'm sure Biden won't pump money into these companies to keep them afloat in the same way the administration he was part in bailed out financial companies to keep them afloat last time we had one of our regularly-scheduled catastrophic collapses.
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Pussy Cartel posted:I'm not sure I feel comfortable with how gleefully you're writing off us racial and sexual minorities who don't feel comfortable with the increasingly right-wing positioning of the Democratic Party, especially while you continue to put yourselves forward as our champions and use us as tools to keep ostensibly progressive voters in line. I'm writing off (and just for this election, not like, forever) the Something Awful left that would rather see Trump elected than Joe Biden (if he ends up the candidate). Please don't put words in my mouth and make me out to be writing off such incredibly broad categories like "racial minorities" and "LGBTQ people". Unless you claim to speak for all racial minorities and LGBTQ people.
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How are u posted:They're shaking in their boots right now, actually, because the entire industry is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. WTF are you talking about? The Saudis and the Russians finally just sat down to hash out an oil deal. Oil is going to be loving fine.
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Xombie posted:He's literally the worst candidate the Dems could have put forward, of all available options. But also, curse those Bernie or Busters for refusing to vote for the rapist nominee (the one with the D next to his name)
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COVID-19 posted:But also, curse those Bernie or Busters for refusing to vote for the rapist nominee (the one with the D next to his name) I never told them to vote for Biden. I'll continue to point this out, as it's a fact.
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COVID-19 posted:I'm sure Biden won't pump money into these companies to keep them afloat in the same way the administration he was part in bailed out financial companies to keep them afloat last time we had one of our regularly-scheduled catastrophic collapses. If he tries he will face incredible pushback from the people who helped get him elected, that I know. I'm confident we can win that fight and make sure that a bailout comes with conditions that set up the managed-decline of the industry.
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