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Sandwolf posted:It’s not really a great move as a townie, if that’s what you are, to constantly describe D1 as a desert of content. How have you made it this far without any reads? I don’t think you’re scum cuz you took a similar line of logic in HP, but like, there’s a lot to go on out there. If you think DBD is town (and you appear to), who’s a better candidate to lunch today? I'm going to offer an alternative, even though it is D1. Because I am nice. How about varrinn, guys and gals? Varinn posted:Immediately busting your poo poo out and then backpedaling into "haha it was a joke, i'm like a ghost or a dog and just sort of do things randomly. im harmless!" is definitely a good way to play the game. Varinn posted:It was the immediate "oh, that was a random kill. there was no reason" post afterwards that seals it for me. trying to immediately disclaim any responsibility for "wasting" a kill. Varinn posted:it would've been infinitely more reassuring if the post afterwards had been "gently caress. i legit thought there was a chance he was scum. oh well lmao" like its still goofy but understandable (i would absolutely pop off with a daykill like that, its very funny) Varinn posted:mafia never changes. we'll never be free of "actually, thinking thats suspicious is the TRULY suspicious thing." "aha, well thinking that thinking thats suspicious is even MORE truly suspicious!" Apart from some white noise joking, that's it from him for two days. Then he shows up with a bunch of drive-by non-cases. Varinn posted:liger: Seems fine, actually. Prickly, but not desperate under fire. Also blue cheese and shoestring was the correct answer. Varinn posted:also anyone voting for jivjov should go hit the books. if you think you can get a good read on a new player on day one, please deduct a number or three from your mystery solving score Varinn posted:also, im holding a press conference to let everyone know i will NOT be reading the tom and andy skirmish. im cautiously walking in a big half circle around it and pretending i cant see it so i don't have to engage. who has time to read posts that big Varinn posted:Okay I finished reading. ##vote varinn
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hambeet posted:merk is pulling a long form version of “u mad?”
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Keane, I understand why you’re annoyed that I’m boiling the case down to “lol 8 years,” but can you make that same case without pulling from those games? You’re talking about how Voodoo is leaning on his meta, I agree that’s bad, but also he’s barely played in a long-loving-time. Maybe simple memory has become faulty (eight years). I don’t think it’s convincing to point at someone and say “Ha! That’s inconsistent with what you said eight years ago! And you leaning on it now as if it’s established fact is scummy!” Because it’s been eight years.
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LordNad posted:I'm here, I'm just in Japan but set an alarm specifically to be up and here before the deadline for discussion. Hmmm yes Very convincing
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May 5, 2020 23:18
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yuming posted:If you want to make your case against me then go ahead and do it. I'm just asking you to explain your own thought process. You already explained why you don't think scum would fourth vote Amnistar but what you originally took objection to was hambeet and DBD questioning the first three votes.
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May 5, 2020 23:21
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CCKeane posted:Gut calls here, but I think yuming's points on Hambeet resonated a bit, and I do feel like somebody made some good points on Kumba. You’ve probably just got gas
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Sandwolf posted:Keane, I understand why you’re annoyed that I’m boiling the case down to “lol 8 years,” but can you make that same case without pulling from those games? Right! But that's not the issue! I asked him why he thought a lurker execution would help the town, and he responded with: Voodoofly posted:How many games have you played with me??? So he's going to a meta reasoning here, right? But it's a defensive reasoning - Voodoofly is just saying that's what he does - and not a persuasive reasoning - that town would benefit from a lurker execution. When presenting with an opportunity to persuade me, he declined it and set himself up as that just being something he does. Like, let's remove me calling him on his meta entirely. Do you think that exchange is something town does?
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May 5, 2020 23:23
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CCKeane posted:It kind of feels like you're thinking more that yuming is scum because you got a negative reaction to your case on her, kind of strengthening your call there, would that be close to about where you are? I wouldn't say I think she's scum because of it since I thought prior to it, but it does reinforce my opinion I had already. I don't know where I'd stand if something completely different happened, but probably still on yuming unless someone else did some way scummier poo poo. It's just weird how some people can completely see the inconsistency/weirdness (TNL/hambeet) but it's dead on arrival to everybody else.
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May 5, 2020 23:23
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CCKeane posted:Right! But that's not the issue! I asked him why he thought a lurker execution would help the town, and he responded with: Also NOTE HERE SANDWOLF I'll say it twice and put your name around it a few times so you'll pay attention SANDWOLF SANDWOLF SANDWOLF this doesn't pull from old games SANDWOLF SANDWOLF SANDWOLF
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May 5, 2020 23:24
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CCKeane posted:Do you think that exchange is something town does? Yes. I have seen merk do exactly what you’re describing (refuse to respond to a case, point to a misunderstanding as reasoning to ignore a case) and he was town. I think Voodoofly blowing you off is lazy, but I don’t think it’s intrinsically scummy.
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May 5, 2020 23:25
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Yo who’s reading on your phone? That looks kinda cool with the purple name highlight
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May 5, 2020 23:26
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yuming posted:And hambeet is not voting. And you’re ignoring a very valid question. The Ninth Layer posted:Okay so remind me again why the people voting for easy target Amnistar weren't making an easy entry into the thread?
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Sandwolf posted:Yo who’s reading on your phone? That looks kinda cool with the purple name highlight Hey Sandwolf what do you think of this case
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I'm going to start this off by saying the scummiest thing I'm looking for is connections. At this point in day 1, Lord Nad is getting a lot of traction. This isn't how a scum lynch goes. You have to have resistence, with the other scum team indirectly blocking for that person. Lord Nad saw the same things I did, as well as other players, in that Officer Liger's vote and play in the beginning of the game was scummy. This has been talked to death. Why Officer Liger is better than Lord Nad, is that there are no connections to Lord Nad. Lord Nad has defended himself from accusations. Officer Liger did not post any content until I called him out on it, and yet we had multiple players indirectly defend him when THERE WAS NO REASON TO. Why connect yourself by calling his actions town, when they were objectively scummy? Placing a joke vote on someone as they have picked up other serious votes is objectively scummy, and yet we have players defending him and calling him townie: OFFICER LIGER posted:it's always jokephase. life without humor is one that is bland and without flavor. This quote is from after I called him out for not giving any reads or providing any content or voting at all. This is from page 12. Before this post, these players said they had town reads on him, defending Officer Liger when there was no reason to. Jose Valasquez posted:3rd vote or not, LIGER's vote was pretty obviously a joke vote, I hate cases based on obvious joke votes Jose Valasquez posted:HP is the only game I've played with Liger but this is the opposite vibe I got from him there and he wasn't pro-town in that game Tom Tucker posted:The votes on Liger are votes of opportunity ironically disguised as votes because of a vote of opportunity, which it was clear it was not. I get a townie vibe from Liger. Tom Tucker posted:Dude you followed up a "I need to see more" serious post with a joke post that wasn't super funny and added a real vote to a growing launch - this is scummy behavior it is hard to argue that. I still think you are town despite that but at least acknowledge it. Amnistar posted:The case is bad, Liger's vote is clearly joke (regardless of Liger's alignment) and latching on to that one as the problem is stupid. Token Female posted:I don't disagree that it's a vote that can get things moving. But I don't think LIGER sees it that way. I think you might still feel burned after HP mafia. Note: Officer Liger didn't vote for me in HP, I wouldn't feel burned by Liger. But nice try trying to throw emotion into a decision I made. These are all defenses of Liger BEFORE they started posting seriously. There is no reason to defend a scummy action, and it's silly to be connecting yourself. Lord Nad, however, has no one defending him. Not once. This is exactly how a town lynch goes. Officer Liger has people defending him for NO REASON. This is how a scum lynch goes. Let's lynch Liger
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May 5, 2020 23:32
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Scum are unlikely to stick their neck out to defend one of their own gaining traction on D1. Far MORE likely that they present another option and start pushing for that one, vehemently, while likely never addressing the scumbuddy they’re hoping to protect.
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May 5, 2020 23:35
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The Ninth Layer posted:Hey Sandwolf what do you think of this case Kinda light, but not the worst case I've seen on D1 Fake edit: oh poo poo wrong account
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May 5, 2020 23:36
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Sandwolf posted:Yo who’s reading on your phone? That looks kinda cool with the purple name highlight Shame that the quoting sucks rear end
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May 5, 2020 23:41
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It's okay I'm sure we'll malaise into a Nad/Liger/me vote
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May 5, 2020 23:41
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thoughts: agreed w/ keane re: TT's case on LordNad. the case is bad. i don't think lordnad is scum. varinn: i think the 'let's start out with a question!!' thing is, more often than not, a scumtell, posting under the guise of contributing. he's mostly been a non-entity, despite posting with some frequency, which is another scumtell. most posts are one-off shitposts. this post in particular, hoo boy: Varinn posted:liger: Seems fine, actually. Prickly, but not desperate under fire. Also blue cheese and shoestring was the correct answer. some scummy setup theory thrown in for good measure, a callout of KK (though I agree, that post is bad), yet no vote followup. highly suspicious, i'd say i'd upgrade varinn to my scum #1 at the moment DBD's recent frustration reads genuine to me. i recall DBD's posts being more flippant as scum, not long posts detailing frustrated feels. merk's game feels like my own scum game here, where he is trying to suggest mafia players should be posting with intractable logic motivating them instead of emotionally posting by the hip, so to speak. i have done similar things many times, and merk is literally persuasive for a living (or at least he was 5 years ago, i am out of the loop now i suppose!), so he's very good at it. there's a few things of merk's that look really fake. for example merk posted:This is going to sound really crappy of me, and I’m sorry, but the frustration you’re trying to evoke is not ringing true. Your post is just too long for that frustration to actually be realistic. first off, everyone writes differently; second off, all of merk's posts are short. this reads, to use a word already overused in this game, as performative.
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The Ninth Layer posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3921683&pagenumber=19&perpage=40#post504625331 To me, the problem with the kumba case is that I pretty much agree with him. LIGER looks scummy (kumba made a point of coming back to the thread late and pointing out where he would have hypothetically voted, which I appreciated), Varinn looked bad to me around the same time, the blue-cheese exchange wasn't particularly substantive one way or the other. He sounds like he's pinging off of the same things that I am.
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May 5, 2020 23:43
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CCKeane posted:Kumba says, opening up a nice fresh coors light. how dare you impugn my honor that way. i would never drink anything more sophisticated than natty ice
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May 5, 2020 23:43
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kumba posted:thoughts: Who's your pick as scum from these folks? TOP PICK.
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gently caress. i forgot about the pet thing, and i can't find the post with the current counts. what page is that on
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May 5, 2020 23:45
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CCKeane posted:Who's your pick as scum from these folks? TOP PICK. i literally said varinn in the post keane my goodness
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i see andy made a much longer case than i did. good. ##vote varinn varinn's posting reminds me of legendary mafia superstar imgay.
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kumba posted:i literally said varinn in the post keane my goodness You did! I am sorry.
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This right here. It's one thing if you don't agree with a case, but most of the defense has been "My gut pings" or "Liger's just having fun". Khris Kruel posted:Note: Officer Liger didn't vote for me in HP, I wouldn't feel burned by Liger. But nice try trying to throw emotion into a decision I made. I'm sticking with my initial read. I don't agree with the case on DBD and it looks like it's going to come down to Me, DBD or Liger so ##vote Officer Liger
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i am now eating baked cavatappi for dinner. i will gladly chat and respond to inquiries but truth be told i am unlikely to read this whole thread again before the deadline, because i am exhausted and also 
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May 5, 2020 23:49
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CCKeane posted:You did! I am sorry. i forgive you. 
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May 5, 2020 23:50
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kumba posted:i am now eating baked cavatappi for dinner. i will gladly chat and respond to inquiries but truth be told i am unlikely to read this whole thread again before the deadline, because i am exhausted and also SOUNDS LIKE THE CAVATAPPI ISN'T THE ONLY THING GETTING BAKED AM I RIGHT?
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I actually do have a scum merk vibe based on his interactions with dbd, based on two games I’ve played scum with merk. *looks sideways to Keane*
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KK there's no way a bunch of scum are going to rush in and throw themselves in front of Liger if he's a scumbuddy - they'd likely be ignoring him. LordNad got votes but stalled out ~5, and we've had a ton of people come in and say the case is bad or they don't buy it. I get what you're saying - by most measures townie lynches are easier because there's less push back, but there's been plenty of pushback on LordNad.
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in fact, I’m so keen on that vibe I’ll go walkabout over it ##vote merk
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hambeet posted:in fact, I’m so keen on that vibe I’ll go walkabout over it ##vote merk If yuming has no traction then let's try merk!
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Tom Tucker posted:KK there's no way a bunch of scum are going to rush in and throw themselves in front of Liger if he's a scumbuddy - they'd likely be ignoring him. I really don't believe scum would completely ignore someone. I think they would try to push the cash away from them. I don't think everyone defending liger is scum, I think it's bad play to connect yourself to someone that had literally only posted jokes before hand. That is ridiculous. How are joke posts townie?
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I'm here tryin to make reads and seeing a late push from kruel who is still tunneling me, Nd and who is voting the other top vote leader without any real reason given why. voting me is a bad idea.
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Deadbeat Dad posted:##vote merk 
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its one thing to say someone is giving you town reads for posting content. It's quite another to defend someone when they are only posting joke posts
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unless your scum in which case voting me is a really rely swell idea.
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