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Cpt_Obvious posted:You said dozen. Yes, I did say that. I didn't mean to be misleading, I was just kinda stunned to see the insta-reply lumping everyone into the same boat hence why I asked about FDR.
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Scientist Al Gore posted:Yes, I did say that. I didn't mean to be misleading, I was just kinda stunned to see the insta-reply lumping everyone into the same boat hence why I asked about FDR. FDR fits in that category too, just maybe a bit more left than the other guys.
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Yinlock posted:this was tried this primary, the party responded by nominating the worst possible candidate purely out of spite Biden is towards the middle of the X axis and the top of the Y. KingNastidon posted:I'd ask why you're sure my job is secure and life won't change, but I'm confident you more than anyone has the details. Aren't you the pharma ghoul who spent months in the primary thread concern trolling about the awful effects of universal healthcare?
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May 6, 2020 01:57
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COVID-19 posted:FDR fits in that category too, just maybe a bit more left than the other guys. Do you find this accurate?  Crowd Chart - The Political Compass
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May 6, 2020 01:57
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vote for joe so he can finish the job barack started: https://twitter.com/ryanlcooper/status/1257787045721800707
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May 6, 2020 01:58
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Scientist Al Gore posted:Do you find this accurate? first off, china has never been a US president, it's a country
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May 6, 2020 01:59
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Scientist Al Gore posted:Do you find this accurate? That Mao isn't more authoritarian should tell you everything you need to know, lmfao
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May 6, 2020 01:59
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May 6, 2020 02:01
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Doctor Jeep posted:vote for joe so he can finish the job barack started: It's darkly ironic that the main thing that kept Obama from destroying the social safety net and plunging us into an even more right-wing hellscape was Republicans being so adamantly against working with him that they wouldn't let him give them everything they wanted.
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May 6, 2020 02:03
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KingNastidon posted:In terms of current delegates, maybe. In terms of expected delegates through end of race given his strength in South and outside coasts, no. Lol, seriously? "Sure, Biden was in last place if you only count the delegates that he actually had. But, if you count all of the delegates he could maybe possibly have, then he was clearly in first place!" Hey, my favorite football team didn't make it to the Super Bowl last season because they didn't win enough games. But, if we add in all the games that they could have won, then the Steelers actually won their 7th ring!
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Phone posted:first off, china has never been a US president, it's a country This is where I ended up per the Political Compass Test. 
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Roland Jones posted:It's darkly ironic that the main thing that kept Obama from destroying the social safety net and plunging us into an even more right-wing hellscape was Republicans being so adamantly against working with him that they wouldn't let him give them everything they wanted. the same thing was gonna happen during slick willy's second term, a grand bargain with republicans, and then the lewinsky scandal happened monica lewinsky and the tea party turned out to be the heroes you needed, but didn't want and now the candidate is biden, the guy whose only wish is a pat on the head from republicans
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May 6, 2020 02:10
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Scientist Al Gore posted:This is where I ended up per the Political Compass Test. So how does it figure out where you are on the chart?
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Scientist Al Gore posted:This is where I ended up per the Political Compass Test. then it's obviously a bad test
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Doctor Jeep posted:then it's obviously a bad test Its famously bad/biased and you end up in the green unless you explicitly say the holocaust didn't happen, but you wish it did.
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Scientist Al Gore posted:This is where I ended up per the Political Compass Test. cool? Marxalot posted:Its famously bad/biased and you end up in the green unless you explicitly say the holocaust didn't happen, but you wish it did.  i am a world knower. e: the great thing about being in the cohort of school children who were exposed to the full battery of standardized testing is that you get to look at all of these simple 2d chart quizzes and extrapolate instantly what the underlying mapping is Phone fucked around with this message at 02:21 on May 6, 2020 |
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Doctor Jeep posted:the same thing was gonna happen during slick willy's second term, a grand bargain with republicans, and then the lewinsky scandal happened Biden literally does not want the Republicans to lose the 2020 election, which makes all the "Vote Biden or you're helping Republicans" takes doubly ironic. quote:Democratic front-runner Joe Biden surely has an abundant list of concerns as he chases down the nomination: An ascendant small-town mayor at the top of the polls in Iowa, an underrated Sanders campaign, and the GOP plan to stymie the impeachment process with allegations of Biden family corruption could be chief among them. But on Friday, as part of his eight-day No Malarkey tour of Iowa, the former vice-president expressed an unexpected 2020 anxiety. Literally afraid of the GOP facing consequences for their actions and telling Republican voters to otherwise stay Republican even if they vote for him. This is the guy people insist will get a Democratic majority and do good things, the one who is campaigning on going back to the days when Republicans blocked everything the Democratic president did and is doing everything in his power to make sure it ends up that way again. The downballot will probably be bad for Dems even if he wins if he keeps this rhetoric going forward. Also, if we're going to link political quizzes here, at least share one that isn't well-known as awful, yeah. Personally I kind of like this one the most of the ones I've seen so far. It even generates you a little flag based on your results, which is a neat touch. Though the translation is a bit rough in some places. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 02:25 on May 6, 2020 |
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May 6, 2020 02:20
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Scientist Al Gore posted:This is where I ended up per the Political Compass Test. are you running for president followup: does not voting for you count as a vote for someone equally lovely
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May 6, 2020 02:27
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Scientist Al Gore posted:Do you find this accurate? No. Because the spectrums presented are bullshit. People have all kinds of insane (and often contradictory) beliefs. Where do I put somebody who is pro gay rights but thinks whistleblowers should go to prison? Where do you put somebody who wants Medicare for all and free guns for all school kids? What we call the “left” and “right” are not coherent ideologies. They are coalitions of various groups who’s interests align. You cannot neatly place people on a chart like this because you will inevitably fail to account for some major part of their ideology and history. As an example, think my first example was nuts? That was actually Obama, who (eventually) supported gay rights but actively fought to jail reporters who reported on government scandals. Life is just not as easy as “person go here on chart therefore good hurr hurr!” Fake edit: Also, yes. The authoritarian/libertarian spectrum, while more valid than the left/right one, has similar issues. Most people commonly considered libertarian will become wildly authoritarian the instant their personal interests are at stake. We think of authoritarians in terms of liking big government but in reality it’s more about loyalty towards toxic power structures than anything else. In this sense Obama is absolutely an authoritarian.
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I took the quiz and I'm literally in the bottom left corner. Can anyone who actually thinks this is accurate explain to me how my answers decide where I am on the chart?
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Gumball Gumption posted:I took the quiz and I'm literally in the bottom left corner. Can anyone who actually thinks this is accurate explain to me how my answers decide where I am on the chart? Your answers add or subtract to your score on either axis, with "Strongly Agree/Disagree" having a larger effect than merely "Agree/Disagree". Getting an "extreme" result on it is really just a result of being consistent in your beliefs, even if they're fairly mild for the most part.
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Roland Jones posted:Your answers add or subtract to your score on either axis, with "Strongly Agree/Disagree" having a larger effect than merely "Agree/Disagree". Getting an "extreme" result on it is really just a result of being consistent in your beliefs, even if they're fairly mild for the most part. Huh interesting. And I can see how those values are decided and how the weighting works?
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It’s also hilarious now that I think about it to assume people make political decisions based on whether they like big/small government or whatever and not their own immediate material interests.
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PerniciousKnid posted:FDR imprisoned Japanese and socialist citizens so he's not left, and he's not a libertarian, but he's probably on the left side of the square. You know who else imprisoned a bunch of ethnic minorities and socialists? Stalin Seriously, the idea that leftists never do any of this bad stuff is just the No True Scotsman fallacy for breadtubers. Although I agree in FDR’s case he was a basic liberal with a group of further left cabinet appointments and near unheard-of congressional majorities.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Huh interesting. And I can see how those values are decided and how the weighting works? it's literally just a bucket of questions per axis, strong = 1 point, normal = 0.5 point, put a point at where you wind up on the x and y axes. like for the question about if you think a gay couple should be able to have a child, it's +1 to libertarian if you strongly agree.
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Marxalot posted:Aren't you the pharma ghoul who spent months in the primary thread concern trolling about the awful effects of universal healthcare? I mean if you find concern trolling to be poking holes in the impenetrable consensus that primary voters knew exactly what Bernie style M4A was, how it was different than other non single payer "M4A" plans, and how it may affect the race (e.g., Why old dems support this when current Medicare is subsidized by private insurance? Is there enough evidence to answer how this will be paid for and will voters know whether they'll be better/worse off? Is this actually going to sway votes to Bernie?) then yes. Seems to be a relevant concern troll given the confounding results of Biden winning primary despite seemingly high support for "Medicare For All." I do and have supported single payer for what it's worth, but it's possible to implement it poorly. the_steve posted:Lol, seriously? I think the more apt football analogy would be something like: "The Miami Dolphins current lead the AFC East 2-0 after 2 games, or a little more than 10% of the total schedule. Their ability to achieve an early lead was driven favorable week 1/2 opponents and Pats/Bills/Jets all played each other such that two teams will have at least one loss. By looking at current betting spreads of the remaining 14 games, Miami is expected to win 5 games and Patriots are expected to win 11 games. Patriots are the most likely team to advance to the playoffs despite not currently being in the lead." KingNastidon fucked around with this message at 02:50 on May 6, 2020 |
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Roland Jones posted:Also, if we're going to link political quizzes here, at least share one that isn't well-known as awful, yeah. Personally I kind of like this one the most of the ones I've seen so far. It even generates you a little flag based on your results, which is a neat touch. Though the translation is a bit rough in some places. Eh, the test is designed to find your bias. The one you posted is pretty cool though, I haven't seen that before. I like the additional characteristics part, 
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Roland Jones posted:Diet-capitalism, aka, "Human rights must be affordable (but you still have to pay for them and should die if you can't)": Affordability is based on means. If someone has no means, they can afford zero, which Democratic plans actually recognize and address.
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readingatwork posted:It’s also hilarious now that I think about it to assume people make political decisions based on whether they like big/small government or whatever and not their own immediate material interests. Breitbart.com literally has a section dedicated to Pornhub. That's right, they report on Big Government and the next evil of the world according to conservatives is Big Porn or Pornhub.
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Phone posted:it's literally just a bucket of questions per axis, strong = 1 point, normal = 0.5 point, put a point at where you wind up on the x and y axes. So it gives the same value to "I agree that Public broadcasting shouldn't exist" and "I agree that my race is naturally superior"? I won't be surprised then if I take it again, give it the same answers, and get Hufflepuff.
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yronic heroism posted:You know who else imprisoned a bunch of ethnic minorities and socialists? Stalin was a dictator who imprisoned political rivals to maintain his power. FDR was a capitalist who arrested socialists and implemented watered-down socialist policies to head off a leftward political movement. It's not the same thing.
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Scientist Al Gore posted:Breitbart.com literally has a section dedicated to Pornhub. That's right, they report on Big Government and the next evil of the world according to conservatives is Big Porn or Pornhub. Isn't that because Breitbart appeals to Christian nationalists who believe that America and all its resources should be for only Christians? How are their beliefs not defined by their material interests? They want to limit access to resources, politics, ect. to only Christians to make sure that they themselves don't run out. Like, at the individual level the explanation is going to be irrational but that is why the movement exists. To preserve resources for Christians and Christians only.
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Gumball Gumption posted:So it gives the same value to "I agree that Public broadcasting shouldn't exist" and "I agree that my race is naturally superior"? the questions might have some weighting behind them like the one that's just straight up a marx quote or the one you brought up
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Gumball Gumption posted:Huh interesting. And I can see how those values are decided and how the weighting works? Through experimentation and looking at the url for your results (since the final score numbers are there), you could probably figure it out. I don't know if they have the actual calculations available for viewing anywhere, though. But I'm pretty sure it's what was already said, yeah. Also, just retook that test I linked earlier, for the heck of it, and my results are still basically the same as they've always been:  For how this one works, meanwhile, I think your answers just add to your score for a particular scale, strong more than somewhat, with a few questions in it that instead give an "additional characteristic" like Monarchism or Anarchism if you answer them in the affirmative. Thus my 100% results up there come from answering every relevant question strongly in the direction of that scale; most people's results would probably be more like my Ecology-Productivism scale, with bigger empty spaces, I imagine. Neither is particularly scientific, but I like the greater detail and presentation of this one more at least. yronic heroism posted:Affordability is based on means. If someone has no means, they can afford zero, which Democratic plans actually recognize and address. Through means-testing and tax credits and other measures that punish the poor, force them (deeper) into debt they won't be able to pay off, and/or keep them from getting the aid they need anyway. "Affordable" being part of it is a problem even if you actually have ways for people who can't afford anything to still get it, because you're still making some amount of people who are already in financially-unstable positions have to weigh their health against their wallets.
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Scientist Al Gore posted:Do you find this accurate? How is a totalitarian like Stalin on the left?
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Scientist Al Gore posted:Eh, the test is designed to find your bias. The one you posted is pretty cool though, I haven't seen that before. that's definitely how "pragmatists" see themselves, but they tend to act on emotion and just label whatever terrible thing they want as "pragmatic"
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the only reason to vote for joe might go flying out the window https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/1257837266690547712
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KingNastidon posted:I think the more apt football analogy would be something like: "The Miami Dolphins current lead the AFC East 2-0 after 2 games, or a little more than 10% of the total schedule. Their ability to achieve an early lead was driven favorable week 1/2 opponents and Pats/Bills/Jets all played each other such that two teams will have at least one loss. By looking at current betting spreads of the remaining 14 games, Miami is expected to win 5 games and Patriots are expected to win 11 games. Patriots are the most likely team to advance to the playoffs despite not currently being in the lead." You're still doing exactly what I just accused you of doing: Giving a team credit for wins for games that haven't even been played yet because you think they'll win them.
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Roland Jones posted:Through means-testing and tax credits and other measures that punish the poor, force them (deeper) into debt they won't be able to pay off, and/or keep them from getting the aid they need anyway. "Affordable" being part of it is a problem even if you actually have ways for people who can't afford anything to still get it, because you're still making some amount of people who are already in financially-unstable positions have to weigh their health against their wallets. Then make the case for your program being better for the greatest number. Nobody in the real world gives a poo poo that anyone’s plan uses the word “affordable.” Nobody outside of left Twitter is going to quiver when you say “tax credits.”
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