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njsykora posted:That's assuming anyone on minimum wage is working 40 hours a week. I'm on slightly over minimum wage and at the 60% rate last month I would've gotten £696 because it's a rolling average of your last 12 months payslips. So people who've gotten recent paycuts from reduced hours are going to see their furlough pay slowly decrease anyway as higher pay periods fall off the record and drop the average. Also you can't claim the furlough pay if you're doing work for your employer from home, because by definition if you're working you're not furloughed. This is why the whole "it's to encourage people back to work" line pisses me off, furloughed people aren't unemployed. We still have our jobs, the entire point of the scheme was to stop companies from just firing everyone. for a lot of people, no they don’t in reality still have their jobs. it’s disguised unemployment. they do not in any real sense still have those jobs, because there will not be a job to go back to. the second the furlough scheme ceases they will be made redundant. airlines and hospitality the most obvious examples that spring to mind. that’s not a bad thing. it’s saving the employer from having to make redundancy payouts all at once while they’ve no income, and saves the dole office from being overwhelmed. and obviously much better for the furloughed worked given the poo poo state of job seeker’s allowances now and the nigh impossibility of looking for new employment during lockdown. I suspect part of the reason for cutting the 80% to 60% is that if someone choses (albeit with coercion) to quit and take up a job elsewhere, there is no requirement for even a token redundancy payout. government as usual looking out for the business owner not the worker e: Twenty-Five is the title of the season 4 finale of the West Wing, the last episode Aaron Sorkin would himself write before being forced out by conflicts with NBC Cerv fucked around with this message at 09:48 on May 6, 2020 |
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kingturnip posted:This is one of those times when I'm very glad that I work for the NHS.  We get clapped at once a week too, that has a value beyond mere currency.
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justcola posted:Your employer is lying to you, you can have multiple jobs and be furloughed (same as if I had 2 part time jobs, thats alright) plus - how they going to know? I think the difference is if you have two part time jobs you're only being paid for one at a time, whereas if you're furloughed from a full time job you aren't supposed to do other paid work in your normal work hours. "How are they going to know" is still valid, HMRC notwithstanding.
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It's 10 years ago today the 2010 election was held, so enjoy the nostalgia of propaganda about getting feckless scroungers back to work I guess 
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crispix posted:It's 10 years ago today the 2010 election was held, so enjoy the nostalgia of propaganda about getting feckless scroungers back to work I guess "I Agree With Nick!" proclaimed a significant portion of this thread as idiot children.
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"Meow Meow drug teen ripped his scrotum off," proclaimed Home Secretary Alan Johnson as he broke the law in office repeatedly in the hope that people would vote for New Labour.
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sebzilla posted:I think the difference is if you have two part time jobs you're only being paid for one at a time, whereas if you're furloughed from a full time job you aren't supposed to do other paid work in your normal work hours. It's still bullshit, you can absolutely have a second job whilst on furlough, and your employer can also ask you to take part in parts of the business that aren't revenue generating, e.g. they can give you training to complete, though you're under no obligation to complete it.
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"Staff may be able to work for another employer so long as it does not breach your current employment contract. They should only work outside of the hours they would normally work with the job they have been furloughed from." So check your contract and your employer's advice I guess.
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Good work voting for the Tories en masse last December, olds!
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Liberal commentators: "This crisis will cause the Tories to rethink their wicked ways, we will move into a new normal where work and benefits are redefined" Tories: "Welp, the crunch part's over, time to resume starving and yelling at people for not taking jobs that don't exist" Liberal commentators: "Ah. Well, nevertheless..."
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May 6, 2020 10:23
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How long till some palace courtier bashes out a few hundred words in the telegraph floating the idea "people should just work for their 60% furlough pay until companies are back on their feet properly, to show we are all in it together"
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Prince Andrew to show solidarity by going back to work on 60% of the standard age of consent.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Good work voting for the Tories en masse last December, olds! "I'd rather die than let that CORBYN in to give me free broadband!!" *dies as promised*
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sebzilla posted:"I Agree With Nick!" proclaimed a significant portion of this thread as idiot children. At least when I voted Liberal Charlie Kennedy was still leader.
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sebzilla posted:"I Agree With Nick!" proclaimed a significant portion of this thread as idiot children. I agreed with Nick. New Labour were poo poo anyway.
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winegums posted:I agreed with Nick. New Labour were poo poo anyway. They were but Gordie Broon would have been better than the Nick and Dave dream team.
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May 6, 2020 10:53
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at least they're making them comfortable during their last few hours on this earth and letting them slip off gently into that good night, rather than stuffing them full of tubes in an ITU or leaving them gasping for breath and in pain in their own beds oh wait no, they're doing the last one because drugs are bad mmmkay https://www.rcgp.org.uk/about-us/news/2020/april/rcgp-calls-on-home-secretary-to-urgently-relax-rules-on-controlled-medication.aspx quote:Patients are experiencing 'unnecessary' pain and distress in the last days of their lives during the COVID-19 pandemic due to laws restricting the use of controlled drugs, the Royal College of GPs has warned today.
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crispix posted:It's 10 years ago today the 2010 election was held, so enjoy the nostalgia of propaganda about getting feckless scroungers back to work I guess This can't be true. I started reading this thread during the 2010 election, so that would mean I've spent ten entire years of my youthful teens and twenties reading and getting gradually radicalised by a bunch of depressed lefties getting mad about the tories as they take over everything and- oh god what have i done
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sebzilla posted:They were but Gordie Broon would have been better than the Nick and Dave dream team. Which ended up getting us Home Secretary Theresa May, which was not an improvement...  XMNN posted:oh wait no, they're doing the last one because drugs are bad mmmkay
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further to previous comments itt, i would add it has been instructive watching the paedofascist class move so quickly to further the interests of tech oligarchs and the panopticon. the media operating a ruthless domestic propaganda campaign in support, the opposition on the payroll. further proof we only have each other, especially in covid times.
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It's a strange situation when Google and Apple are saying "here's a decentralized solution that we're providing pro bono" and the government are saying "no that won't do at all here's our broke brained potentially illegal under the GDPR shitsack solution made by rank amateurs." I can't believe that Google and Apple are acting purely out of the goodness of their hearts, but the most likely situation is that the UK hasn't even progressed to the stage of civilization which is rule by cryptofascist techbros, and is still trapped in the feudal age of "I read English at Oxford, I used to be a journalist for The Times, I can write the app, I know I can do it."
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New Lab just needed to be about 5% less poo poo and they'd have won that GE. Just a smidge less awful. Broon was a decent enough guy, if he'd won the GE and pushed Labour a bit left, maybe we'd be in a different world now. He'd have been in power during the hacking scandal (in which his son with cystic fibrosis was implicated), and very well may have taken a giant loving torch to the rats nest of bastards who comprise our press.
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If people's brains aren't hurting too hard already, tomorrow would have been election day for Cameron's 2015 parliament that triggered hellworld
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winegums posted:New Lab just needed to be about 5% less poo poo and they'd have won that GE. Just a smidge less awful. Broon was a decent enough guy, if he'd won the GE and pushed Labour a bit left, maybe we'd be in a different world now. He'd have been in power during the hacking scandal (in which his son with cystic fibrosis was implicated), and very well may have taken a giant loving torch to the rats nest of bastards who comprise our press. We'd probably have recovered far better from the 2008 crash, then voted in Tory Leader Boorish Johnson in 2015 for some sweet tax cuts and return to happy fun times against either a tired old PM Brown or an underwhelming successor Miliband (either one.) Probably no Brexit in this timeline, but unlikely Corbyn would have won the leadership in 2015 either.
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winegums posted:New Lab just needed to be about 5% less poo poo and they'd have won that GE. Just a smidge less awful. Broon was a decent enough guy, if he'd won the GE and pushed Labour a bit left, maybe we'd be in a different world now. He'd have been in power during the hacking scandal (in which his son with cystic fibrosis was implicated), and very well may have taken a giant loving torch to the rats nest of bastards who comprise our press. Being 5% less poo poo would have helped too, but I think the material conditions of the time made it likely that a bunch of curtain twitching Blue Labour shites would have still tried to push their stupid poo poo through the House.
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Doccykins posted:If people's brains aren't hurting too hard already, tomorrow would have been election day for Cameron's 2015 parliament that triggered hellworld I wonder if the universe where Remain won out would have been any better. Corbyn wouldn't have had his 2017 moment for starters.
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Guavanaut posted:He could have probably won if he'd called the election two years earlier, that's two years less of "unelected PM" bullshit from the press and one less global financial crash. We will obviously never know for sure, but I completely believe that we would be in a different world if he had just called an election immediately.
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Remain universe would have still had corona, the election would likely be held a year from now. The British public would have been able to hold the tories to account for their terrible handling of the crisis. LOL like hell they would.
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Matt Hancock says he backs any police action against Neil Ferguson Is this something that is actually remotely actionable or is he just chatting poo poo here?
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he's chatting poo poo check out who is getting rehabilitated today https://twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/1257969664560369664?s=20
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This may seem silly but the economics are very sound; if you take away peoples ability to pay their rent or mortgage or buy food then they will return to their job in the travel or hospitality industry more motivated than ever which will in turn drive demand for those products and services. Bing bong so simple.
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Boris just said 200,000 tests per day by the end of the month. ...But why? 
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Jose posted:he's chatting poo poo yeah I looked at the legislation and it's leaving the place where you live that's illegal, not having someone round http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/regulation/6/made app mancock
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Alternatively having been indoors for an extended period they may now find their old office jobs no longer appeal and instead choose to travel three hours through the night to the Lincolnshire wolds at 5am to compete with migrant workers for fruit picking jobs that pay less than the living wage.
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Boris just said that some of the changes being announced on Sunday will take effect on Monday, before they've been presented to parliament. Do we have a bingo board for his Sunday speech yet?
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Rory Stewart has pulled out the 2021 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/06/rory-stewart-pulls-out-contest-next-london-mayor
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