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Scientist Al Gore posted:No, it depends on my options. For example, is the other guy a greater evil? The other guy is a different evil. Not better or worse, just more palatable for the people who care about decorum. Now what do you do?
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Somfin posted:What line does Biden need to loving cross for you to change your mind on this There is only one thing Biden could possibly do, and that's switch the (D) for an (R) As soon as he admits that he's a card-carrying Republican, the magic spell will fade from their eyes and all of his wrongs and injustices will finally be acknowledged for the horrific crimes that they are.
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May 6, 2020 23:53
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COVID-19 posted:The lib argument would go something like this, if I'm understanding them correctly: you don't even need to split that hair, the argument will be that a million more people will die under Trump than Biden[citation needed] and therefore Biden can shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue and still be the lesser evil really it's the same thing Trumpers said: Hillary is part of a satanic pedo cabal that wants to kill off the entire world population except for 25,000 people, therefore nothing Trump does can possibly be worse
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May 6, 2020 23:54
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Scientist Al Gore posted:No, it depends on my options. For example, is the other guy a greater evil? That's not what I'm asking. The question isn't "is the other guy worse." The question is "is there an objective measure that would keep you from voting for someone." Like, this is devolving into the twitter argument I had with a moron who suggested that in the battle of "open explicit kill-the-jews nazi" vs "open explicit kill-the-jews nazi but he's offering healthcare," the obvious choice is to vote for the latter. E: As opposed to not voting for either of them.
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May 6, 2020 23:54
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Xombie posted:Swing voters, independents, white college grads, suburbanites. Trump won these people over in 2016. They have consistently polled against him since he became president and turned out to not be joking about being a loving idiot who doesn't even want to do his job and just wants to be on TV. These people hate Trump because of his constant instability. They hate all politicians, but they would rather have politicians not affect their daily lives. If that's true, they're not showing up in swing state polling. It is also very possible that Trump has lost those groups in non-swing states. So he's losing the suburbs of Dallas TX and losing Orange County CA, but that won't matter for the general.
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May 6, 2020 23:55
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Somfin posted:That's not what I'm asking. The question isn't "is the other guy worse." The question is "is there an objective measure that would keep you from voting for someone." They won't answer because that requires having a conviction.
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May 6, 2020 23:56
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COVID-19 posted:The lib argument would go something like this, if I'm understanding them correctly: More "Trump shoots a young guy on 5th Avenue, Biden has the decency to shoot a young guy in an alleyway somewhere Pakistan." You have to remember that the core of liberal morality essentially rests on them being the type of people who would nod along thoughtfully to Valentine's plan in Steel Ball Run.
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May 6, 2020 23:56
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Quantum leaping into Biden's body to try to prevent him from being elected, but every messed up thing I do just makes the posts defending him longer.
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May 6, 2020 23:58
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How are u posted:I so wish we could fast forward 6 months and be analyzing the election rather than all of this. This is a very optimistic view, right now. Polling currently has Joe Biden in worse positions than Hillary Clinton was this time 4 years ago. In other words, Hillary was doing better at this point and she still lost. How are u posted:I'm not trying to gotcha anybody, but I'm curious. You guys seem absolutely 100% convinced that Trump is going to win a sweeping victory so if the opposite happens it'll have to be a heck of a shock, no?
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May 6, 2020 23:58
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Roland Jones posted:Mind posting a link on this? I've been trying to find it again (I have read it before thanks to a thread here) but can't, and I really wish I could because it's such an amazing example of how awful Biden is. Like three decades ago there was a report of some “vaccine” for drug addiction and Biden said it was an interesting idea. He didn’t know the vaccine was basically chemical lobotomy. He was being stupid. But because some people like to abuse framing to the point of mendacity, yeah, he wanted to induce permanent anhedonia in every black kid, sure.
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May 6, 2020 23:59
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Constantly claiming the general election is a binary choice while half of the population doesn't vote. Your vote absolutely is not solving the endemic problems affecting anyone, so quit patting yourself on the back about it.
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May 6, 2020 23:59
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papa horny michael posted:Constantly claiming the general election is a binary choice while half of the population doesn't vote. Your vote absolutely is not solving the endemic problems affecting anyone, so quit patting yourself on the back about it. It’s not my fault people didn’t vote for the good candidate. Or the other candidate who did a half-decent impression of a good candidate. And in terms of trying to win, it 100% is a binary choice. But if people want to do things with their votes to make a point, I have no problem with it.
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May 7, 2020 00:01
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Mellow Seas posted:Like three decades ago there was a report of some “vaccine” for drug addiction and Biden said it was an interesting idea. He didn’t know the vaccine was basically chemical lobotomy. He was being stupid. But because some people like to abuse framing to the point of mendacity, yeah, he wanted to induce permanent anhedonia in every black kid, sure. "Biden's too stupid to be racist" is certainly a take when he has a well-documented history of racism.
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May 7, 2020 00:01
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Cuomo cut billions of dollars from medicaid, reversed bail reform (and even increased the budget so that they could afford to keep more people locked up), mocked de Blasio when he said that New Yorkers should be ready for a shelter in place order, said we need to 'pivot back to economic functionality' (which, of course, was memoryholed the next day when Trump said the same thing and democrats had to pretend to oppose him), and has literally worked to prevent democrats from controlling the legislature in NY and democrats still swooned over "President Cuomo" because he was coherent in an interview.
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May 7, 2020 00:02
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Mellow Seas posted:Like three decades ago there was a report of some "vaccine" for drug addiction and Biden said it was an interesting idea. He didn't know the vaccine was basically chemical lobotomy. He was being stupid. But because some people like to abuse framing to the point of mendacity, yeah, he wanted to induce permanent anhedonia in every black kid, sure. It's not like the decisions a politician makes have consequences and that ignorance and incuriosity is actually a really bad thing in a politician and hey it's pretty clear that Biden is now smarter than he's ever been Now let's go back to laughing about how stupid Trump is and how good it will be when we have someone smart in the room Mellow Seas posted:It's not my fault people didn't vote for the good candidate. Or the other candidate who did a half-decent impression of a good candidate. It's also not your fault that the good candidates were shut out of being available for most people to even vote for. It is, however, entirely your fault if you choose to accept this.
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May 7, 2020 00:02
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Brownhat posted:"Biden's too stupid to be racist" is certainly a take when he has a well-documented history of racism. I guess I missed the part where I said he wasn’t racist?
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May 7, 2020 00:03
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Mellow Seas posted:I guess I missed the part where I said he wasn’t racist? Maybe supporting racist politicians isn't something you should if you're ostensibly opposed to racist ideals.
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May 7, 2020 00:09
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COVID-19 posted:Maybe supporting racist politicians isn't something you should if you're ostensibly opposed to racist ideals. People constantly making up Joe Biden fanfic where he genuinely wanted to personally murder the pleasure center of the brain in every black kid in America doesn’t have anything to do with “ideals”, it’s just loving lying. I know how shittty Biden is and I don’t understand why people have to exaggerate it, which we’ve seen from Roland Jones can confuse and mislead people who don’t know what you’re actually referring to.
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May 7, 2020 00:18
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Mellow Seas posted:Like three decades ago there was a report of some “vaccine” for drug addiction and Biden said it was an interesting idea. He didn’t know the vaccine was basically chemical lobotomy. He was being stupid. But because some people like to abuse framing to the point of mendacity, yeah, he wanted to induce permanent anhedonia in every black kid, sure. Mellow Seas posted:It’s not my fault people didn’t vote for the good candidate. Now obviously, that specific hypothetical thing almost certainly didn't happen - but something like it did, and often. And continues to. An awful lot of ordinary Democrats take the "I may not like it, but" approach so consistently and so reliably, that it actively makes the party worse and worse. You have been, and are, a part of that, through your ongoing acceptance of mediocrity and duplicity. You're not my favorite poster, Mellow Seas, but you're not that bad either - but people like you are a big part of why the Democratic party is such a loving loser.
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May 7, 2020 00:19
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Somfin posted:That's not what I'm asking. The question isn't "is the other guy worse." The question is "is there an objective measure that would keep you from voting for someone." There isn't one. The objective measure is whatever's least bad.
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May 7, 2020 00:20
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Mellow Seas posted:People constantly making up Joe Biden fanfic where he genuinely wanted to personally murder the pleasure center of the brain in every black kid in America doesn’t have anything to do with “ideals”, it’s just loving lying. I know how shittty Biden is and I don’t understand why people have to exaggerate it, which we’ve seen from Roland Jones can confuse and mislead people who don’t know what you’re actually referring to.
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Mellow Seas posted:Like three decades ago there was a report of some “vaccine” for drug addiction and Biden said it was an interesting idea. He didn’t know the vaccine was basically chemical lobotomy. He was being stupid. But because some people like to abuse framing to the point of mendacity, yeah, he wanted to induce permanent anhedonia in every black kid, sure. Could you back this up? I've been looking for more information on this but so far looking up stuff related to Joe Biden's drug stances in 1989 just turns up things like him saying that Bush's War on Drugs plan doesn't go far enough and needs more police, prosecutors, and prisons, and that he's against the legalization or decriminalization of any drug. Extremely awful, but also not about the proposed "vaccine". So far the only published piece of anything I've seen mentioning it is that Jacobin article, and your post is the first time I've seen it put that particular way and contradicts the claim that he was pushing the authorities to look into it. Scientist Al Gore posted:There isn't one. The objective measure is whatever's least bad. This is how normalization works. We're now facing an election between two rapists; from this point forward, "not a rapist" is not a requirement in a candidate, but a luxury. Anything not as bad as rape but still awful can also be dismissed, since, hey, at least it's not rape. If Biden does win, then whoever he's up against in 2024 (assuming he doesn't resign or die before that) will have the moral high ground unless they're a true monster. It's also established quite firmly that victims can't come forward and expect to be heard, because the abuser's allies and supporters will crush them, and the only person who will face consequences is the victim. (And their family, apparently.) "Believe Women" has been proven to be conditional, so who's going to come forward now? Both parties have shown that they will mercilessly crush anyone who accuses one of their members and protect the abuser, which not only intimidates victims into silence but gives predators the go-ahead to continue their abuse. Win or lose, what has happened in this campaign is a catastrophe. Mellow Seas has been complaining about hyperbole, but I think that calling this the death of #MeToo is pretty fair; only 30% of the Democratic Party's members think that Biden should resign if Reade's accusations against him are proven. That's awful for a party that claims to care about this sort of thing. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 00:41 on May 7, 2020 |
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May 7, 2020 00:27
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Scientist Al Gore posted:There isn't one. The objective measure is whatever's least bad. You don't know what the word "objective" means, do you?
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May 7, 2020 00:29
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Scientist Al Gore posted:There isn't one. The objective measure is whatever's least bad. People have been voting for the lesser evil this entire millenium and look where it's gotten us. Ol' RAVE act, Crack-fightin' Joe, an old rapist who can't finish a sentence, whose supporters itt acknowledge is a racist. Maybe it's not the best policy!
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May 7, 2020 00:29
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Mellow Seas posted:People constantly making up Joe Biden fanfic where he genuinely wanted to personally murder the pleasure center of the brain in every black kid in America doesn’t have anything to do with “ideals”, it’s just loving lying. I know how shittty Biden is and I don’t understand why people have to exaggerate it, which we’ve seen from Roland Jones can confuse and mislead people who don’t know what you’re actually referring to. quote:You couldn't blame Joe Biden for dreaming of a Magic Bullet, some fantastic new chemical that would shoot down drug addiction. I guess this is the best we could do to fight against Trump. Vote Blue No Matter Who 
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May 7, 2020 00:30
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Sharkie posted:People have been voting for the lesser evil this entire millenium and look where it's gotten us. No they have not. At all. This is not true. Democracy is a super new crazy awesome experiment that has been continuously sabotage from inside and out. It works great but only if people vote.
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Mellow Seas posted:People constantly making up Joe Biden fanfic where he genuinely wanted to personally murder the pleasure center of the brain in every black kid in America doesn’t have anything to do with “ideals”, it’s just loving lying. I know how shittty Biden is and I don’t understand why people have to exaggerate it, which we’ve seen from Roland Jones can confuse and mislead people who don’t know what you’re actually referring to. They're putting their "revolution" above the livelihood of others. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 7, 2020 00:33
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Scientist Al Gore posted:They're putting their "revolution" above the livelihood of others. Yeah i wanted M4A all to myself.
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May 7, 2020 00:35
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Scientist Al Gore posted:I sleep at night knowing that Biden isn't that monstrous of person and might just make things slightly better or at the least stop them from getting worse. He killed a million people. You have no moral compass worth consideration.
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May 7, 2020 00:35
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Scientist Al Gore posted:They're putting their "revolution" above the livelihood of others. Joe Biden's entire history amounts to millions of destroyed livelihoods.
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May 7, 2020 00:36
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Scientist Al Gore posted:They're putting their "revolution" above the livelihood of others. Not wanting to vote for Biden has zero to do with Sanders and the ratfuckery during the primary. It has everything to do with him being a pussy grabber and a right-wing Democrat.
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May 7, 2020 00:36
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Midgetskydiver posted:He killed a million people. You have no moral compass worth consideration. Trump is actively destroying the planet to the extent that Oil and Gas companies disagree with him and don't even want it. That's much worse, no?
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May 7, 2020 00:37
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Scientist Al Gore posted:They're putting their "revolution" above the livelihood of others. I can't vote for a guy that wanted to vaccinate black children against drugs and that also coincidentally was a strong proponent of the war in Iraq, I don't think it's possible to vote for Biden and claim you care about the livelihood of people. Biden voters don't give a poo poo, they want Trump out of the White House because he makes them see and learn things about America they wished would just remain in obscurity, which is why Obama was so popular. He just kept his mouth shut and nursed the financial sector and the military-industrial complex back to health. That's literally all they want- a silent panopticon.
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May 7, 2020 00:41
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So it's not just that Biden was mildly curious about altering black (cause c'mon don't be naive) children's brains to prevent the scourge of uh, bosco and moonrocks, he angrily lobbied the Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Association to make it. Cool.
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May 7, 2020 00:43
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Scientist Al Gore posted:So Biden and the Democratic Party isn't allowed to change it's mind? The guy's track record on being confronted on his actions with this election cycle has been to tell people to vote for his opponent. Biden does not seem the adapting type.
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May 7, 2020 00:47
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Sharkie posted:So it's not just that Biden was mildly curious about altering black (cause c'mon don't be naive) children's brains to prevent the scourge of uh, bosco and moonrocks, he angrily lobbied the Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Association to make it. Cool. They thankfully ignored his demands because even odious pharma executives could see that researching ways to vaccinate children so that they could be turned into soldiers for the War on Drugs may not have been the best move. e: just realized there's a non-zero chance that Biden's senile brain confuses the novel coronvirus vaccine with his War on Drugs vaccination scheme and starts babbling about having to protect our children from the crack pandemic by injecting them with a new vaccine that Pharma is going to develop for him COVID-19 fucked around with this message at 00:52 on May 7, 2020 |
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May 7, 2020 00:48
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Scientist Al Gore posted:Trump is actively destroying the planet to the extent that Oil and Gas companies disagree with him and don't even want it. That's much worse, no? "And come on, what's one tiny little rape of a subordiante, when the future of nations is at stake? Can't you see how unimportant and worthless that woman really was in the grand scheme of things?" If the climate was as important to him as it seems to be to you, why is he setting the goal date so far after his own death?
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COVID-19 posted:They thankfully ignored his demands because even odious pharma executives could see that researching ways to vaccinate children so that they could be turned into soldiers for the War on Drugs may not have been the best move. Big Pharma has more of a moral compass than Joe Biden was not something I expected to learn today.
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Oh Snapple! posted:More "Trump shoots a young guy on 5th Avenue, Biden has the decency to shoot a young guy in an alleyway somewhere Pakistan." To be fair Funny Valentine is more genuinely concerned about the health of America than literally any president in any of our lives, and his plan is significantly more sound than the average liberal policy proposal. It’s a shame the world will end before we get a Jojo Part 7 anime.
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